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uxb99 4th Oct 2022 16:12


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11307921)
There is also reports of the Ukrainians infiltrating using the V and Z on vehicles to operate behind the lines, it reminds me of The Dirty Dozen and the armband switcheroo....... indeed one report when they started the first counter attack in the Kharkiv region say's they sent teams out to infiltrate areas and stick Ukrainian flags on any and every high vantage points making the Russians think that areas had already fallen around them, thus they fell back in disarray for fear of being over run.

I don't know about the Geneva Convention but during WW2 you were allowed to sail (again not an army expert) under the flag of the enemy as long as you fought under your own flag. If you didn't run up your colours before battle you would be considered a spy and could be shot if captured. Germans during the Battle of the Bulge wearing US uniforms were shot if captured.

MJ89 4th Oct 2022 16:18

just came across this on twitter then here,

correct me if i'm wrong but looks like the last time these were seen it was in the first days of the invasion.

pasta 4th Oct 2022 16:37


Originally Posted by uxb99 (Post 11307924)
I don't know about the Geneva Convention but during WW2 you were allowed to sail (again not an army expert) under the flag of the enemy as long as you fought under your own flag. If you didn't run up your colours before battle you would be considered a spy and could be shot if captured. Germans during the Battle of the Bulge wearing US uniforms were shot if captured.

Would spoofing the opposition's IFF be considered as serious as wearing their uniforms?

jolihokistix 4th Oct 2022 16:43

Quote: “New Russian cope just dropped.”

I think this word ‘cope’ appeared once before, a while back. Does anyone know what this sentence means?

DaveReidUK 4th Oct 2022 16:52


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11307939)
Quote: “New Russian cope just dropped.”

I think this word ‘cope’ appeared once before, a while back. Does anyone know what this sentence means?

AFAIK, a "cope account" is one created on social media purely for propaganda purposes. Interesting usage of the word.

Winemaker 4th Oct 2022 16:52


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11307939)
Quote: “New Russian cope just dropped.”

I think this word ‘cope’ appeared once before, a while back. Does anyone know what this sentence means?

One definition of 'cope' is
  • (of a machine or system) have the capacity to deal successfully with.
    "the roads are barely adequate to cope with the present traffic"
So it might be interpreted as meaning a way the Russians had of dealing with something has failed (dropped)........ Of course I'm probably wrong.

uxb99 4th Oct 2022 16:57


Originally Posted by pasta (Post 11307934)
Would spoofing the opposition's IFF be considered as serious as wearing their uniforms?

Hmm. Interesting. Don't know. I guess it's more akin to a counter measure. During WW2 WAAF's with excellent German would order aircraft onto different headings. Night fighters onto spoof targets and generally snarl up the airwaves.
There was a very subtle counter measure called tinsel where the sound of an aircraft's engines was broadcast onto the enemy's frequency to block any comms.

Wokkafans 4th Oct 2022 16:57


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11307939)
Quote: “New Russian cope just dropped.”

I think this word ‘cope’ appeared once before, a while back. Does anyone know what this sentence means?


Cope is a word used to describe the act of dealing with something difficult. Online it has become an insult implying that someone is upset, particularly on Twitter, often in tandem with similar words like "seethe" and rent free.

See also Copium (cope and opium) - a fictional drug to cope and deal with loss.


Have fun exploring - there's a whole world of this type of "speak" out there: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cope-seethe

Mr Mac 4th Oct 2022 17:18

When do you think, or not, we will have a demonstration tactical Nuclear weapon explode say within a 100km of Kiev ? Apparently this is being considered as Putin's next gambit by UK / NATO I am told. What and how would the response be formed to such an action.
Kind regards
Mr Mac

jolihokistix 4th Oct 2022 17:35

Re ‘cope’ replies above, many thanks. A dim light flickers, but I partly wish I hadn’t asked! :oh:

“Cope! Seethe! Mald!” :cool:

NutLoose 4th Oct 2022 17:40

Wokka I think the bridge is under attack as they got some trucks across it.


one never made it


MPN11 4th Oct 2022 17:53

Check those Twitter dates, Nutty.

dead_pan 4th Oct 2022 17:56

I thought the Antonovsky bridge was no more some weeks back?

langleybaston 4th Oct 2022 18:15

If my interpretation of the upper wind forecasts [and particularly the lower-uppers] such as 5000ft is correct, any demonstration of a TNW over the Black Sea might make Turkey very cross indeed.
However, my seaweed is withered, the crystal balls have dropped off and the pine cones burned to keep me warm.

Ninthace 4th Oct 2022 18:20


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11307979)
If my interpretation of the upper wind forecasts [and particularly the lower-uppers] such as 5000ft is correct, any demonstration of a TNW over the Black Sea might make Turkey very cross indeed.
However, my seaweed is withered, the crystal balls have dropped off and the pine cones burned to keep me warm.

Very little fallout from an airburst though, they are all flash and bang.

MPN11 4th Oct 2022 18:20

Thank you LB. I hope the Kremlin seaweed is still fresh, and saying ‘Don’t be stupid’.

arf23 4th Oct 2022 18:33

what's the lowest possible way a tactical nuke could be set off, just to say "we've done it and can do it again". I'm thinking subsea, perhaps near an oil pipeline?

langleybaston 4th Oct 2022 18:34


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11307980)
Very little fallout from an airburst though, they are all flash and bang.

Do we think the Russkies can manage an attempted airburst height accurately, after the observed state of their conventional forces? And would Turkey and Greece find "only an airburst" tolerable?

Besides that, everyone who matters in Russia knows they are winning, especially sitting near a 6th floor window.

Wokkafans 4th Oct 2022 18:38

Not a happy bunch.

"Believe this is the 222nd MRB from occupied Luhansk. 193 left alive from their Battalion. Haven’t been paid for months, no food and are stuck just outside the Feb 24th borders in Luhansk because the military won’t let them home. Some have been standing around there for 4 days."


GlobalNav 4th Oct 2022 18:41


Originally Posted by arf23 (Post 11307988)
what's the lowest possible way a tactical nuke could be set off, just to say "we've done it and can do it again". I'm thinking subsea, perhaps near an oil pipeline?

St Basil?


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