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WB627 1st Oct 2022 21:38


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11306338)


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11306362)
There is no rational reason to not striking the rail bridge. It has gone past its expiry date

Those tanks are going to the Ukrainians, it's just part of the ongoing transfer of equipment from the Russians :E

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....acbf52b681.jpg


NutLoose 1st Oct 2022 23:51

Those tanks as you call it are taking innocent Ukrainian lives and is not a laughing matter.

albatross 2nd Oct 2022 01:37


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11306430)
Those tanks as you call it are taking innocent Ukrainian lives and is not a laughing matter.

Hopefully they can be taken out before deployment.
If the Russians’ big plan is to strike north or east from Crimea…good way to telegraph their brilliant plan by sending those tanks together across the causeway/bridge in daylight. They they have to support them. Logistics may be difficult.

fdr 2nd Oct 2022 03:31


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11306430)
Those tanks as you call it are taking innocent Ukrainian lives and is not a laughing matter.

The Ukrainians have maintained high morale throughout this evil act of Russia, and part of that has been from their sense of humor. The only part of the comment by 627 that would be annoying is that it wasn't a Ukrainian that thought it up. There is additionally a lot of truth in the observation; Russia could simplify a lot of their processes by just handing their equipment over to Ukraine, and shooting 1:4 of their troops, and taking off a limb of the remainder.

Dropping the rail bridge is still a worthwhile use of a PGM, as really, Ukraine has more Russian equipment than they really need at this time. Now, if Germany would hand over some Leopards, they would make room for those though. Kerch has been in range for months, and Ukraine knows how to drop the spans.

4everAD 2nd Oct 2022 03:45


Originally Posted by albatross (Post 11306467)
Hopefully they can be taken out before deployment.
If the Russians’ big plan is to strike north or east from Crimea…good way to telegraph their brilliant plan by sending those tanks together across the causeway/bridge in daylight. They they have to support them. Logistics may be difficult.

So Ukraine expect a large counter-attack from the south/Odessa. Would it not be a good idea to let those forces in then shut the door behind them? Take the bridge out once they're in place no logistics trail and all those tanks/men become useless very quickly.

peter we 2nd Oct 2022 05:50


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11306338)

120 tanks?
I count 24?

MPN11 2nd Oct 2022 07:49


Originally Posted by peter we (Post 11306516)
120 tanks?
I count 24?

A lot of people count APCs as tanks ... because they have no grasp of military detail.

Beamr 2nd Oct 2022 09:11


Originally Posted by peter we (Post 11306516)
120 tanks?
I count 24?

TBH I can't see even 24 tanks there. First two look a lot like Strela-10 SAM's, third a MT-LB with probably a ZU23-2 AA-gun mounted on top, then 10ish BMP IFVs following another 10ish MBT's (hard to tell from poor quality video but T72 or T80) and the rest as far as that video and eye can see are KAMAZ and ZIL trucks.
There is roughly half a mechanized BTG worth of fighting vehicles there that can be seen.

Xeptu 2nd Oct 2022 10:24

let all that military equipment in, they don't have anyone to operate them, once in can't be used anywhere else and they don't get them back. We need to leave the bridge up for the time being, so that the russians can run away.lol

MikeSnow 2nd Oct 2022 11:29


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11306338)

The problem is that the bridge is about 250km from Ukrainian controlled territory. Not sure Ukraine has anything that could hit it from that range. I'm guessing not, otherwise they would have hit it already. Ukraine has asked for ATACMS, which would have the range, but as far as I know the US has refused so far.

Geriaviator 2nd Oct 2022 11:29


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11306662)
let all that military equipment in, they don't have anyone to operate them, once in can't be used anywhere else and they don't get them back. We need to leave the bridge up for the time being, so that the russians can run away.lol

One must admire the tactics and planning of the Ukrainians as well as their bravery. I think they know exactly what they're doing in letting the bridge remain but keep their plans to themselves -- including security in the field. No flocks of hand-flapping reporters breathlessly announcing latest moves and speculating what will happen next, much of what we know comes from fighters on both sides using social media which they really shouldn't. Best for the Russians to receive one unpleasant surprise after another.

ORAC 2nd Oct 2022 11:44

Russians reporting UKR breakthrough on the Kherson front.


NutLoose 2nd Oct 2022 11:49

They appear to be at a loss why Lyman fell



fdr 2nd Oct 2022 12:04


Originally Posted by MikeSnow (Post 11306687)
The problem is that the bridge is about 250km from Ukrainian controlled territory. Not sure Ukraine has anything that could hit it from that range. I'm guessing not, otherwise they would have hit it already. Ukraine has asked for ATACMS, which would have the range, but as far as I know the US has refused so far.


hmmm. how do you get a 70km missile to hit a target 250km away????
Rubik's cube is more difficult. Apollo 13 CO2 scrubbers was more demanding....

Beamr 2nd Oct 2022 12:34


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11306709)
hmmm. how do you get a 70km missile to hit a target 250km away????
Rubik's cube is more difficult. Apollo 13 CO2 scrubbers was more demanding....

Doesn't the MGM-140 ATACMS have a range of 300km? Ukrane currently has the low range goods up to 80km.

NutLoose 2nd Oct 2022 12:42

Up **** creek without a paddle comes to mind


Wokkafans 2nd Oct 2022 13:06

Multiple angle perspective from Ukrainian POV of the recent tank battle in the vicinity of Yehorivka,.

A Ukrainian tank is destroyed by Russian tank fire, after which the multiple Russian armored vehicles retreat. During the process a Russian BMP3 is hit by a Ukrainian anti-tank crew.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3


Wokkafans 2nd Oct 2022 16:23


rattman 2nd Oct 2022 19:43

War criminal strelkov and Rybar are reporting "claim Ukraine is pushing 4-5 mechanized and a "full" tank battalion into the push to exploit the breakthrough. Also claim the Russians are attempting to form a new defensive line at Dudchany)'

Ninthace 2nd Oct 2022 20:07


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11306896)
War criminal strelkov and Rybar are reporting "claim Ukraine is pushing 4-5 mechanized and a "full" tank battalion into the push to exploit the breakthrough. Also claim the Russians are attempting to form a new defensive line at Dudchany)'

Also here


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