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petit plateau 28th Sep 2022 17:47


Originally Posted by Piper_Driver (Post 11304356)
Regarding Nordstream - is it possible that a cyber attack could have taken it out by manipulating the pumps and valves?

Not like this.

NutLoose 28th Sep 2022 17:51

Likewise could Germany not open their valves letting the gas escape into their tanks, reducing the pressure and letting it flood?

[email protected] 28th Sep 2022 17:57


Regarding Nordstream - is it possible that a cyber attack could have taken it out by manipulating the pumps and valves?
Seismologists reported activity consistent with explosions which I'm sure have very particular signatures.

pasta 28th Sep 2022 18:03


Originally Posted by Piper_Driver (Post 11304356)
Regarding Nordstream - is it possible that a cyber attack could have taken it out by manipulating the pumps and valves?

Only by manipulating pumps and valves on the vessel/craft/device that attached explosives to the pipes.

Chu Chu 28th Sep 2022 18:33

Many pipelines have “pigs” that run through them for cleaning and other purposes. If this was an inside job, it could have been an inside job.

DaveReidUK 28th Sep 2022 18:52


Originally Posted by Chu Chu (Post 11304387)
Many pipelines have “pigs” that run through them for cleaning and other purposes. If this was an inside job, it could have been an inside job.

Discounted in the Jetblast thread, on account of there being no appreciable gas flow, without which the pig isn't going anywhere.

Chu Chu 28th Sep 2022 19:00


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11304397)
Discounted in the Jetblast thread, on account of there being no appreciable gas flow, without which the pig isn't going anywhere.

Unless it was in place when they stopped the music.

uxb99 28th Sep 2022 19:04

If a sub or sub type device was detected near the pipes, could it be legitimately sunk?

Ninthace 28th Sep 2022 19:08


Originally Posted by uxb99 (Post 11304400)
If a sub or sub type device was detected near the pipes, could it be legitimately sunk?

Not without a reason and location would not be enough, in fact even being caught in the middle of an act of sabotage probably would not be sufficient. ROE are quite tricky things especially outside conflict zones.

Beamr 28th Sep 2022 19:09


Originally Posted by Chu Chu (Post 11304399)
Unless it was in place when they stopped the music.

there was no sufficient pressure in NS2 to begin with according to reports.

petit plateau 28th Sep 2022 19:11


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11304363)
Likewise could Germany not open their valves letting the gas escape into their tanks, reducing the pressure and letting it flood?

Sort of but not really. Best thing for Germany to do is to keep the valves at the southern end closed. That way as much as possible of the line remains gas filled at a very low pressure once this has blown down.

All the people wailing about the damage that will be caused if the line becomes full of salt water are way ahead of themselves. Short term it really doesn't matter if the line becomes full of uninhibited sea water, provided that there is no flow of thay water in the line. But better if it was gas full at low pressure which is the natural outcome in the do-nothing state.

T28B 28th Sep 2022 19:13

At this point, I will ask you all to continue further discussion of the Nordstream's function (as fascinating as they are to a layman like myself) to the Jet Blast thread.
We've covered the military and / or aviation related aspect of this development sufficiently for our purposes here.
Thank you all in advance.
T28B

NutLoose 28th Sep 2022 19:29

A face says it all, Scared fartless but also relieved, I wish I knew what they are saying.


uxb99 28th Sep 2022 19:32


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11304422)
A face says it all, Scared fartless but also relieved, I wish I know what they are saying.



https://twitter.com/m2p_studio/statu...46769600987147

What is the point of rushing ill trained and poorly motivated troops to the front line?
Is the front that close to collapse that it warrants such drastic matters.
If that was me, I would be looking at the first opportunity to run away and surrender.

uxb99 28th Sep 2022 19:36


Originally Posted by Derfred (Post 11304213)
This video discusses Putin's EMP option from about the 20:20 minute mark - for example a high altitude burst over Brussels would take out components of the electrical grid and critical infrastructure from Poland to Ireland.

He also mentions that the Euro grid is not EMP hardened, whereas the Russian grid has been hardened. The US is supposedly looking at hardening their own grid.

The Mitchell Institute's Nuclear Deterrence and Missile Defense Forum hosts Dr. Peter Pry, Executive Director of Task Force on National and Homeland Security for a discussion on evolving events in Ukraine, the performance of the Russian military, NATO, U.S. responses, and implications for the future.



https://youtu.be/rnDzCjJK-Fo?t=1217

How would you deploy such a weapon? Presumably that's what RAF Fylingdales is for?

Beamr 28th Sep 2022 19:40


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11304422)
A face says it all, Scared fartless but also relieved, I wish I knew what they are saying.



https://twitter.com/m2p_studio/statu...46769600987147

this was translated elsewhere, stunning thing is that he claims to be from the ICBM force!

Translation: Semyonov Grigori Vitalyevich, 21 years old, city Tolyatti, served in Strategic Rocket Forces. Transferred to the 12th tank regiment, in Ukraine for two weeks, as soon as I got there, I tried to return but they did not let me.

NutLoose 28th Sep 2022 19:45

Thanks….

WoW 18 more HIMARS..


Beamr 28th Sep 2022 20:05

Also winter clothing for AFU on its way. This will be crucial, without weapons a fight is not fought, without proper clothing there will be no one to fight at all.
Hopefully Russian logistics is on its usual efficiency level on these items as well, in essence old rotten rags from a cold war era warehouse of the 60s.



Beamr 28th Sep 2022 20:39

Some military aviation for a change.



MechEngr 28th Sep 2022 23:31


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11304397)
Discounted in the Jetblast thread, on account of there being no appreciable gas flow, without which the pig isn't going anywhere.

There are self-propelled devices for inspecting pipelines. As I recall they even managed to put one in a Bond film. Building a cart isn't tough.


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