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NutLoose 4th Oct 2022 11:13

How the war may end by the New Yorker

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/an...b-global-en-GB

melmothtw 4th Oct 2022 11:32


Originally Posted by Less Hair (Post 11307770)
Wouldn't Russia seriously upset downwind located China with any nuke use?

Didn't seem to be an issue for the nearly 500 above surface atom/nuclear tests the USSR carried out between 1949 and 1989, and those were a lot closer to China than Ukraine is.

Ninthace 4th Oct 2022 11:33


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11307766)
I'm sure that would go down well with Turkey/Greece/Bulgaria/Romania/Georgia/and probably Iran/Azerbaijan (not to mention those Russians planning a vacation in Sochi).

We know they have the capability, but what would this actually demonstrate, other than they're sh*t scared of actually using one in anger, for fear of the consequences?



Hmm, the biggest country on Earth looking for some space for a weapons test...

It is not just a question of finding any old space, to have an impact it has to be proximate to the conflict area if it is to be considered a warning shot. Air bursts are vey low fallout so being downwind should not be an issue though the EMP might be. While other nations might not agree, the Russians see the Black Sea as their private pond.

NutLoose 4th Oct 2022 11:35

The Ukrainians are even operating long wheelbase Landrovers


NutLoose 4th Oct 2022 12:13

Excluding all the fresh fertliser in the "not so Special Operation"
That is 44 tanks and 27 APV's lost in a DAY!


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2648547c56.png




dead_pan 4th Oct 2022 12:47

Lots of stuff happening...

NutLoose 4th Oct 2022 13:35

Ukrainian saboteurs killed :( They went out fighting :(


NutLoose 4th Oct 2022 13:43

Enough said..


NutLoose 4th Oct 2022 14:05

Some of those we trained? He has even got the flag the right way up, somethng a lot in the UK struggle with..


ORAC 4th Oct 2022 14:33

Ukrainian forces destroyed 44 Russian tanks yesterday, according to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

31 of these tanks were destroyed on the Kherson/Mykolayiv battlefront, according to Operational Command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

ORAC 4th Oct 2022 14:39

Follow up to report of Russian retreat…

The Russian invaders are retreating chaotically and abandoning the north of Kherson region. Ukrainian defenders are chasing them to Beryslav.

Davydiv Brid, Velyka Oleksandrivka, Starosillya and other settlements have been liberated.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....19dfb4958.jpeg

Beamr 4th Oct 2022 14:41


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11307870)
Ukrainian forces destroyed 44 Russian tanks yesterday, according to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

31 of these tanks were destroyed on the Kherson/Mykolayiv battlefront, according to Operational Command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

good grief, thats a mech brigade worth of MBTs! in just one day! I hope it's true.

HOVIS 4th Oct 2022 14:46


Originally Posted by beardy (Post 11307756)
100 atmospheric and 921 underground. There is an interesting museum about it all in Las Vegas run by test site veterans.
However, your point is what? Are you trying to draw a parallel?

Not really a parallel, more a nod to the fact that during the cold War, weapons 'tests' were common on both sides. Did they really need to test so many? Surely some were just making sure the enemy knew you were ready, IE. A demonstration.

ORAC 4th Oct 2022 14:58

The Russian command will try to establish a defensive line covering the Nova Kakhovka dam. That means they try to fortify Berislavka and Kozatske.



https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a405bcaf6.jpeg

GeeRam 4th Oct 2022 15:08


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11307885)
The Russian command will try to establish a defensive line covering the Nova Kakhovka dam. That means they try to fortify Berislavka and Kozatske.

Parallels with the 1st AB Div in the ever reducing Oosterbeek pocket before having to withdraw across the River......but they didn't have a bridge to use to get back across!!

NutLoose 4th Oct 2022 15:24

Is the bridge open? i know they were backfilling the shipping canal to try to reopen it. If they re-take it all, that's Crimeas water cut off again, bar that flowing over the Kerch bridge.

Wokkafans 4th Oct 2022 15:41

"New Russian cope just dropped. As always it’s unclear how much is excuses and how much is actually real. However if this tale is even close to the truth, Ukraine is employing Combined Arms in Kherson in a way that Russia couldn’t hope to achieve in the next decade never mind this year."


NutLoose 4th Oct 2022 15:57

Sweden appears to have tracked a sub from the Gas pipe explosions back to port.



Wokkafans 4th Oct 2022 15:58

Looks like that escape route is closing behind them.


NutLoose 4th Oct 2022 16:03


Originally Posted by Wokkafans (Post 11307908)
"New Russian cope just dropped. As always it’s unclear how much is excuses and how much is actually real. However if this tale is even close to the truth, Ukraine is employing Combined Arms in Kherson in a way that Russia couldn’t hope to achieve in the next decade never mind this year."



https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status...tOXaKTpvd9YkIQ

There is also reports of the Ukrainians infiltrating using the V and Z on vehicles to operate behind the lines, it reminds me of The Dirty Dozen and the armband switcheroo....... indeed one report when they started the first counter attack in the Kharkiv region say's they sent teams out to infiltrate areas and stick Ukrainian flags on any and every high vantage points making the Russians think that areas had already fallen around them, thus they fell back in disarray for fear of being over run.

Here you go



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