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[email protected] 10th May 2022 16:39

Don't worry langleybaston, there will be another 'splash' clip along soon of poor sods losing their lives....

dead_pan 10th May 2022 16:52

Whilst Russia is a country-mile from doing a Yugoslavia IMO, it does beg the question what would the likes of NATO, the EU and China do if it were to descend into civil war, with its various bits vying for control over its natural resources and nukes? If it came to some sort of sphere-of-influence carve-up, China could do quite well with the resource-rich eastern territories, Europe being left with all the lunatic-fringe territories west of the Urals...

dead_pan 10th May 2022 16:55


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11228130)
Don't worry langleybaston, there will be another 'splash' clip along soon of poor sods losing their lives....

Here you go...Not sure what happens here - arty or a mine strike?

dead_pan 10th May 2022 16:58

Pretty good report from ITN, showing Uke plus some Rus fast air in action. The cameraman obviously wasn't briefed about standing in the blast zone of gun when it lets rip...


NutLoose 10th May 2022 17:04

Bugger this for a game of soldiers.


GlobalNav 10th May 2022 17:59


Originally Posted by Usertim (Post 11227808)
Interesting listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmEmdFIltNw

Oryx has only one Su35 downed , and the date\location matches this https://postlmg.cc/nMQgTND7

The interview sounds more like a prosecutorial interrogation. Whether Russia abides by the Geneva Convention or not this was not compliant.
The pilot says he was targeting air defense radars, acknowledges that radar operators may have been killed, that such installations are not in populated areas where civilians are likely collateral casualties. The interviewer isn’t seeking truth, he’s accusing the pilot in a very one-sided manner. As a former aircrew member I find this interview dishonorable. I certainly support Ukraine and believe what Russia is doing there is wrong, but based on what I see and hear in this “interview”, I don’t see this pilot as morally responsible for war crimes. He was doing his duty for the country he serves.

Imagegear 10th May 2022 18:12


Originally Posted by GlobalNav (Post 11228170)
The interview sounds more like a prosecutorial interrogation. Whether Russia abides by the Geneva Convention or not this was not compliant.
The pilot says he was targeting air defense radars, acknowledges that radar operators may have been killed, that such installations are not in populated areas where civilians are likely collateral casualties. The interviewer isn’t seeking truth, he’s accusing the pilot in a very one-sided manner. As a former aircrew member I find this interview dishonorable. I certainly support Ukraine and believe what Russia is doing there is wrong, but based on what I see and hear in this “interview”, I don’t see this pilot as morally responsible for war crimes. He was doing his duty for the country he serves.

I agree, however one cannot equate the honourable treatment of POW's in Europe and the West with the callous disregard for human life, in every circumstance, certainly in Russia and to an extent in most other Eastern European countries.

It will take many generations on all sides to elevate their society to one more approaching that of the Free World. War is evil, evil begets evil. Eventually humanity may rise above such a blunt instrument but you or I will not see it.

IG

Sue Vêtements 10th May 2022 18:35


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11228139)
Bugger this for a game of soldiers.

That was standard practice in all the Sven Hassel books I read in my younger years - well except they first dug a slit trench so the tank tracks could roll right over them without causing physical harm (mental harm I'm not so sure about) - oh and they generally had some kind of AT mine to place under the vehicle

I have to say though, once one considers compounding (of errors), I'd rather be at the front of that queue than the back of it!

And to bring it down to the level of JetBlast ... what if that tank was on a conveyor belt?

langleybaston 10th May 2022 19:19


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11228130)
Don't worry langleybaston, there will be another 'splash' clip along soon of poor sods losing their lives....

Crab my dear person, one only wants grown-up reporting and analysis.

Such is not available on mainstream media unless it is flavour of the hour to a news editor.

Lonewolf_50 10th May 2022 19:21


Originally Posted by langleybaston
Such is not available on mainstream media unless it is flavour of the hour to a news editor

sad but true

Originally Posted by Sue Vêtements (Post 11228186)
That was standard practice in all the Sven Hassel books I read in my younger years -

Wow, that takes me back some years. Those are hard to find anymore. I had two of them but had a tough time finding more. IIRC, they (in the novels) referred to the P-47 Thunderbolt as the "Jabbo" <= Aviation Content! :ok:

Spoiler
 

NoHoverstop 10th May 2022 19:31


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11227994)
As the latest evolution version of their 20th century kits aren't as good as advertised do the Russians dare to move the Armata in to the battlefield? I'd really love to know how it'll do in the battle, however a loss of one of those would really be a blow for the Russians.

A phone rings:
Civil Servant: Ukraine Ministry of Agriculture. Poultry and Battlefield Recovery Department. How may I help you?
Caller: Hello. I need to have a tank moved.
CS: Oh. Not chickens then? OK, err, we have a really long waiting list. There is a war on you know.
Caller: A war? First I've heard of it. Anyway, my Commander says it has to go today. He has direct orders from the President.
CS: Wow! Gosh. OK then. Where is it?
Caller: Tomsk
CS: Eh? Tomsk in Russia?
Caller: Yes.
CS: Can't do that.
Caller: Oh I get it. This is exactly the sort of prejudice against Russian-speakers I've been warned about.
CS: But we're both speaking Russian now! Language isn't the problem. The problem is that is that we only do battlefield moves and poultry. Tomsk isn't a battlefield. It's not due to be one until next wee err, we ah, we can't help. Not a battlefield. Understand?
Caller: Listen mate, it's not on a battlefield but it needs towing to the battlefield. Now. Actually they all do."
CS: They all do what?
Caller: Need towing. There's this one 'ere but thinking about it the other fifteen won't be any better. How about it? Tanks. Battlefield. Towing. That's your department isn't it?
CS: And poultry.
Caller: Sorry. And poultry. Anyway, can you do it?
CS: So, you want me to get a organise a load of farmers to drive their tractors past basically the whole Russian Army, well the bit that's still Russian anyway, across thousands of km of Russia, hitch up a load of, err, what are they exactly?
Caller: Armata MTBs. Every one of them. Leave the cardboard models though.
CS: Hitch up all 16 of your Armatas and tow them to, to, err, where exactly?
Caller: Sevastopol.
CS: That's not a battlefield either! You're a couple of days earl, err, err, never mind. Really? Sevastopol?
Caller: The Navy needs them.
CS: Navy?! But they don't even float!
Caller: Exactly. Saves a lot of time and effort all round. Genuis eh?
CS: Alright. Fair enough. Leave the keys on top of the tracks. Someone will be round this afternoon. Goodbye.
Caller. Goodbye.[/QUOTE]

NutLoose 10th May 2022 21:38

Belarus moving troops to the Ukrainian border. I am surprised with the Russian military tied up, the populace hasn’t got rid of Lukashenko.

US Abrams moving to the Polish border too.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/Belarusi...g_click&f=live

The man’s a village idiot, watch this



West Coast 11th May 2022 02:02


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11228139)
Bugger this for a game of soldiers.

https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/...Cikfzg1KMqAAAA

A new measure of my girth, I don’t fit underneath tanks anymore.

Asturias56 11th May 2022 08:44

Dig deeper!

[email protected] 11th May 2022 08:45


The man’s a village idiot, watch this
i don't think he even makes it that far up the IQ scale.........

GeeRam 11th May 2022 10:03

He even makes Boris look intelligent.....

You do wonder why the Belarusians haven't made a bit to oust him in the current situation, they might not get a better chance with Pootin's resources being used up in Ukraine, he's not going to be in a great position to come running to Belarus to help out his idiot cousin......given he's now already seemingly having to pull out a lot of his forces from Syria as well.


nevillestyke 11th May 2022 10:03

Spinal Tap.
 

Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11228264)
Belarus moving troops to the Ukrainian border. I am surprised with the Russian military tied up, the populace hasn’t got rid of Lukashenko.

The man’s a village idiot, watch this

https://youtu.be/1JNtiO7nhmo

"Yeah, but this one goes up to eleven!"

ACW342 11th May 2022 11:38

TURKISH DRONES MARKETING
 
Just wondering if the Turkish Air Force Citation currently landing at Northolt (11:35Z, 11/05/22) is here to flog a few Bayraktor droneas to the UK MoD. Interesting in the light of the Commons Public Accounts Committee statement earlier today.

NutLoose 11th May 2022 11:49

Ukranian SU 24 operating at low level.


Beamr 11th May 2022 12:11

Anyone got any idea whats that thing flying very fast across the FJ's flight path?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b587e167a6.jpg


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