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If you wondering what it is costing, this I believe is to be a rough idea of the Russia costs so far.
see below https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....625ebffb58.png |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11227741)
If you wondering what it is costing, this I believe is to be a rough idea of the Russia costs so far.
see below https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....625ebffb58.png Still, the disruption of supply has sent oil and gas prices soaring, so Russia is actually generating record revenues from energy exports, 1.8 trillion rubles in April ( double that of last year) according to Forbes. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier...h=2319a1e04e34 So there is ample money to continue fighting. |
A bit early for the Bonnie & Clyde remembrance day, but it's the thought that counts! Thanks Vlad! :ok:
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Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying
(Post 11227645)
The religious aspects of this ongoing conflict are most interesting. Since Russia gave up on communism it has returned to embrace the Russian orthodox church. And Putin has sought to conflate religion and conflict. Seee this extraordinary...Religious theme park Anyone looking for sci-fi plot material might want to ponder on a future conflict between a (mainly) Catholic European Union and those Protestants who seek/have left it.... |
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Those interested in the idea of post-Putin Russia should read this excellent book https://www.whsmith.co.uk/products/w...62748a166d&gcl to see how W Germany managed to absorb and regenerate E Germany after years of Soviet rule.
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Anyone looking for sci-fi plot material might want to ponder on a future conflict between a (mainly) Catholic European Union and those Protestants who seek/have left it.... |
Interview with captured RF Su 35 pilot
Interesting listen.
Oryx has only one Su35 downed , and the date\location matches this https://postlmg.cc/nMQgTND7 |
NutLoose,
I'm not sure those 25,650 (approx. to be confirmed) troop losses are all KIA. I guess this figure is derived from equipment losses (4 per tank, 10 per APC, etc) but I hope (for the humanity) that these crews are not all dead and most manage to flee/surrender... Also, numerous conscripts poorly trained, not sure how this costed $518,000 to Mother Russia. Or is this the "total life cycle costing" of a human being loss? Just trying to figure out the methodology... |
Originally Posted by etudiant
(Post 11227771)
Russia is actually generating record revenues from energy exports, 1.8 trillion rubles in April
Also, money does not an army buy, at least over the short term, unless you're content to throw your people into the maw armed only with anicent Soviet era kit * Using the official exchange rate. Given Russia is using their reserves to prop this up, it could well be twice this in real terms i.e. the actual Dollar/GBP amount could be half what I've calculated. |
Usertim - the damning statement is when the pilot says they are told to carry out the order first and then question it later if required - the 'I was only following orders' excuse sounds as hollow now as it did in WW2.
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Originally Posted by WideScreen
(Post 11227715)
I agree with you, that a transition of Russia to a real democracy will be a very difficult one. As such, my earlier suggestion, the Russian Federation breaks up and later on rejoins according to something like the EU model (with I hope significantly fewer languages). Breaking up of the Federation would imply that a lot of the centralized dye-hard communist structures become redundant and control moves to a more local scale. Implying the propaganda and other controlling institutions also break down.
What the Russian people want: Stability, if needed to be enforced the hard way. Forgetting that "the hard way" becomes more and more brutal, the longer such a scheme runs. Breaking up the Federation would make things a significantly smaller scale and as such better manageable. For now, Putin rules by propaganda, FSB enforcement, social control, zero press freedom and Stalin practices. Though the longer the Ukraine war takes, the more service men are missing or return home dead, fueling the unrest of the population. Difficult to predict what is going to happen, though Chaos is a certainty. Chaos anyway, when Putin dies, since nearly every major decision is tied to him personally and though there are formal institutions, these aren't recognized to be applicable (see the ignored formal transfer of power to the prime-minister position, when Putin gets his planned cancer operation, the power goes -rumored- to his FSB "friend"). The issue as I see it that Russia, in its current guise, is far too tempting a grift for a wannabe Putin successor to pass up: the opportunity to enrich yourself, your family and friends beyond measure, to literally have the natural resources of the world's largest country as your bank account, coupled the ultimate safeguard of the world's largest arsenal of nuclear weapons, oh and a supremely pliable and gullible population to ride roughshod over (vodka + circuses, that's all it takes). Even the most liberal-minded pro-Western amongst them would be tempted. |
Wouldn't demography work against the Russians compared to other ethnic and regional groups? So a breakup seems likely sooner or later.
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Originally Posted by Petit-Lion
(Post 11227814)
NutLoose,
I'm not sure those 25,650 (approx. to be confirmed) troop losses are all KIA. I guess this figure is derived from equipment losses (4 per tank, 10 per APC, etc) but I hope (for the humanity) that these crews are not all dead and most manage to flee/surrender... Also, numerous conscripts poorly trained, not sure how this costed $518,000 to Mother Russia. Or is this the "total life cycle costing" of a human being loss? Just trying to figure out the methodology... see https://www.consultancy.eu/news/7433...illion-per-day Shedding light into the true cost of the invasion on Russia’s war chest is one of the most debated topics. Injecting guidance into the debate, a new study by the Centre for Economic Recovery, consulting firm Civitta and EasyBusiness has delivered a rapid assessment of the costs of the war for the Russian economy, finding that – even according to the most conservative estimates – the country is bleeding money. The direct losses from the war alone – including liquidated military equipment and casualties among personnel – have in the first 5 days cost Russia about $7 billion. Of this, the loss of human lives alone is forecast to account for $2.7 billion in lost GDP over the coming years. Beyond this, the scale of the mobilisation – including its logistics, personnel, ammunition, fuel, rocket launches, and so on – will cost more money each day. As a result, according to the researchers, the daily cost of war for Russia is “likely to exceed $20 billion” as the invasion scales. Those that die as a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine will receive 41,228 euros in compensation, while those who are wounded will get 24,795 euros. https://nation-creation.fandom.com/w...y_Pricing_List |
Those that die as a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine will receive 41,228 euros in compensation, while those who are wounded will get 24,795 euros. |
Reading many reports a lot of families are being told that their son/husband has “gone missing” and is suspected of having deserted and they are being denied compensation.
Whether that is official policy to hide losses or corrupt officials using it as a n excuse to pocket the compensation themselves is impossible to tell. |
A Russian cruise missile being taken down by a Martlet. :) Not seen that before even though it was posted on the 30th of April.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 11227861)
Usertim - the damning statement is when the pilot says they are told to carry out the order first and then question it later if required - the 'I was only following orders' excuse sounds as hollow now as it did in WW2.
The irony is delicious. |
Reference “missing” Russian soldiers and compensation….
'It's not a morgue, it's a dump,' Russian soldier says in intercepted phone call. Ukraine's Security Service published a recording of an intercepted phone call from a soldier fighting for Russians to his wife. The soldier is heard saying that Russians are writing their soldiers off as "missing" to hide the high number of the dead. He said that there was a "dump" of dead soldiers' bodies near Donetsk with piles that are two meters high. |
Yet another confirmed T-90M kill. As the first obviously was no lucky shot the Russians really must be thinking hard what to do about it. And India thinking how to get rid of those.
As the latest evolution version of their 20th century kits aren't as good as advertised do the Russians dare to move the Armata in to the battlefield? I'd really love to know how it'll do in the battle, however a loss of one of those would really be a blow for the Russians. |
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