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ORAC 17th Jun 2022 19:22

Looks like Poland is doubling-down on buying tanks, artillery, IFVs etc from South Korea - I presume they must be getting both a good price and early delivery…

https://www.defensenews.com/land/202...illery-system/

Industry deal moves Poland closer to acquiring South Korean artillery system

ORAC 17th Jun 2022 19:28

Now that is one hell of a training commitment - and presumably having trained them we will have to provide their personal equipment and weapons..

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...port-wzbb6wbpb

Boris Johnson offers training to thousands of Ukrainian troops

Boris Johnson has travelled to Ukraine for the second time to meet Volodymyr Zelensky in a fresh show of support.…

During today’s meeting Johnson offered to launch a “major training operation” for the Ukrainian army, saying that Britain could train 10,000 soldiers every 120 days.


The programme would “change the equation of the war”, he told Zelensky, because it would give the Ukrainian army “the resilience they need to be victorious in their fight for enduring peace”.

The scheme would succeed Operation Orbital, under which the UK has trained more than 22,000 Ukrainian soldiers since 2015. The training would take place outside of Ukraine….

Each soldier would spend three weeks on the course, receiving battle skills as well as medical training and instruction in cybersecurity and counter-explosive tactics….




Tartiflette Fan 17th Jun 2022 20:07

Does anyone have more information about the Russian tug hit this morning ? Initially it was supposedly hit and sunk by two Harpoons, but then the Harpoon information was withdrawn and subsequently i read that it was only damaged and was being salvaged.

NutLoose 17th Jun 2022 20:28

Saw it earlier today

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...kh-rescue-tug/



Obba 17th Jun 2022 20:38

Flight content. In one of the tactical Intelligence segments it shows the various snooping aircraft around the Ukrainian border etc.
A very good assessment here.

For English: choose CC, then Settings and Auto translate = English.

dead_pan 17th Jun 2022 21:01


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11247878)
i read that it was only damaged and was being salvaged.

From the video doing the rounds of the missile strike, I suspect this is yet more wishful thinking on behalf of some pro-Russian posters (they trotted out the same line after the Moskva was hit). Unless of course they mean it being salvaged for scrap....

There also been some photos circulating of two Russian warships stooging around the gas platforms off the Romanian coast. It seems as though they have got the message loud + clear regarding staying a good distance away from the Ukrainian coast.

NutLoose 17th Jun 2022 22:20

Being reported as possible U.K. supplied Harpoons or Brimstones used to hit the tug, some fascinating satellite images showing the reinforcements on snake island, would brimstone not acquire individual targets and take those out?

https://twitter.com/search?src=trend...&q=snakeisland

NutLoose 17th Jun 2022 22:34

Remember the Russian ship Ukraine claimed hit but the trail went dead, it appears they may have hit one after all


ORAC 18th Jun 2022 11:49

Lithuania has suspended transit of various cargos to Kaliningrad. Up to 50% of all supplies, according to the Kaliningrad governor.

The sanctioned goods include building materials, metals and all other goods subject to EU sanctions.

whilst not a full blockade it is close to it and crippling for the local economy.

Russia will, it is assumed, either have to accept the sanctions or attempt to deblockade Kaliningrad.

In which case Belarus and the Suwalki corridor may come into play.

Perhaps not coincidently….



Sepp 18th Jun 2022 12:24

For those skilled in the art who may wish to comment on the state and/or location of the vessel, an uncropped version of the Buyan-M under tow:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b2d586332d.jpg

ORAC 18th Jun 2022 12:27

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...es-2022-06-17/

Gray Eagle Drone Sale to Ukraine Hits Snag

NutLoose 18th Jun 2022 12:49

Russians stealing crops again, this time cherries, with the intention to sell in Crimea, but they skimmed some off the top for themselves, shame the farmer had deliberately poisoned them then..... :}

Farmers ‘laced cherries with chemicals to poison Russian soldiers’ (msn.com)


Mogwi 18th Jun 2022 16:09


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11247631)
Nice video, but not comfy complaining about the Chinese flying too close to our recon planes when we clearly do just that to the Russians as well.

Wouldn't dream of it dear boy!

Mog

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....11b0d99b68.jpg
SHHH!

dead_pan 18th Jun 2022 16:21


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11248150)
Lithuania has suspended transit of various cargos to Kaliningrad. Up to 50% of all supplies, according to the Kaliningrad governor.

The sanctioned goods include building materials, metals and all other goods subject to EU sanctions.

whilst not a full blockade it is close to it and crippling for the local economy.

Russia will, it is assumed, either have to accept the sanctions or attempt to deblockade Kaliningrad.

Which they can do quite easily by sea? Seems like a bit of a non-story to me. What's the source - the Torygraph?


In which case .. the Suwalki corridor may come into play.
Urrghh. How many times? This is just not going to happen. Why do journalists keep recycling this daft scenario??

dead_pan 18th Jun 2022 16:31


Originally Posted by Sepp (Post 11248161)
For those skilled in the art who may wish to comment on the state and/or location of the vessel, an uncropped version of the Buyan-M under tow:

Not skilled, but it looks undamaged to me, if you compare this pic to those taken earlier in its lifetime. Looks more than a little tatty, but I guess its been operating out to sea for some time (it being designed primarily for littoral ops).

I did read that the Russian navy have been unimpressed with the type's performance and are not commissioning any more

Redlands 18th Jun 2022 16:41

Tatty, and the surface radar radome appears to be on deck just forward of the aft CIWS.

dead_pan 18th Jun 2022 16:50


Originally Posted by Redlands (Post 11248243)
Tatty, and the surface radar radome appears to be on deck just forward of the aft CIWS.

Good spot!

Maybe it err just fell off? Lucky catch if it did.

NutLoose 18th Jun 2022 17:53

Is it?

see


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....73f97f6bb.jpeg

dead_pan 18th Jun 2022 18:12


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11248276)
Is it?

I think there are two different configurations in use, one with the radome mounted on the mast, the other with it mounted aft per these photos. If you Google this most of the pics show the former.

Imagegear 18th Jun 2022 18:15

It looks to me to be off to the scrappy

Could it be that they are hiding damage on the starboard side?

IG


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