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Timmy Tomkins 30th Apr 2022 08:22

Today's Telegraph reporting the view from Ben Wallace, UK defence secretary, that Putin will declare War on Ukraine at V day celebrations and mobilise Russia. Martial Law will allow total focus on the military effort.

Timmy Tomkins 30th Apr 2022 08:40


Originally Posted by Frangible (Post 11222939)
Looks like another normal day south and west of Ukraine on Flightradar 24 right now. One Global Hawk (FORTE 10) out of Sicily stooging around in the middle of the Black Sea, an RAF RC-135 Rivet Joint cruising the Romanian/Ukraine border (on way home probs), and an E3A Sentry AWACS doing circuits less than 100kms from the Polish/Ukraine border, not to mention the US C-130 that just took off in Romania heading northwest. They are all there in plain sight, out and proud with transponders on.

The RAF Rivet Joint had been right up near Sochi and beyong the northern mid point in the Black Sea too. The same the other day.

[email protected] 30th Apr 2022 08:49


Today's Telegraph reporting the view from Ben Wallace, UK defence secretary, that Putin will declare War on Ukraine at V day celebrations and mobilise Russia. Martial Law will allow total focus on the military effort.
then it's time to put some NATO troops on the ground as a deterrent.

fdr 30th Apr 2022 09:04


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11223170)
then it's time to put some NATO troops on the ground as a deterrent.

it is past time to commence reforger.

Timmy Tomkins 30th Apr 2022 09:25


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11223177)
it is past time to commence reforger.

That plan was suggested and ignored by more than one UK politician (and Nut Loose) before the invasion. A bit late now.

Jobza Guddun 30th Apr 2022 09:40


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11222783)
NutLoose, you might want to give the Russian combat engineers some credit for their innovative way of preventing a bridge collapse! :E

LW, that's quality!

NutLoose 30th Apr 2022 10:47


Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins (Post 11223184)
That plan was suggested and ignored by more than one UK politician (and Nut Loose) before the invasion. A bit late now.

Actually I went further and when the Russians announced they intended to send peacekeepers into the Donbas, I suggested that NATO should do likewise and send them into Ukraine along the disputed front line.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5a3ac09be.jpeg

NutLoose 30th Apr 2022 10:58


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11223098)
and a train 2. thats 3 trains so far.

Film of the bridge and the train sitting in the river


NutLoose 30th Apr 2022 11:52

Ukrainian Mi 17 operating at low low levels.


Usertim 30th Apr 2022 11:53

Sadly I am doubting this one Nutloose.

That bridge ( and river) is south of what I understand to be the current frontline by some km ( though I am geograpically challenged). So either the RF has a lot more territory in that little area than we saw published, or perhaps the russians blew the bridge with UA train on it to prevent reinforcements going north of the river, and video\pics are UA propoganda spin.

I cant imagine the OSINT is so far behind that RF is sending rail freight over a bridge that is supposedly in UAF hands still.

Please put me right if I have misunderstood something.

Ninthace 30th Apr 2022 12:20


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11223242)
Ukrainian Mi 17 operating at low low levels.

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/...07660305969153

Is pitching up to fire rockets the rotary wing equivalent of a Beirut sniper?

NutLoose 30th Apr 2022 12:46


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11223257)
Is pitching up to fire rockets the rotary wing equivalent of a Beirut sniper?

it’s apparently in both sides textbooks.


NutLoose 30th Apr 2022 13:00

Here is an irony for you, Russia sold MI 17 to the USA to supply to Afghanistan, but the USA has now supplied them to Ukraine and Russia is complaining that it is a breach of contract, more details here.

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/3...ne-with-mi-17s


The Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS) issued a protest in response to a US announcement that a shipment of Mil Mi-17 helicopters will be sent to Ukraine.

On April 13, 2022, the US Department of Defense announced that its $800 million military aid package to Ukraine will include 11 Mi-17 transport helicopters. The aircraft were previously purchased for Afghanistan.


Some reports indicate that the transfer had been planned as early as January 2022, before the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

“Russian FSVTS expresses a protest in regards to any illegal transfer of armaments and military equipment of Russian (Soviet) origin, including helicopters, supplied by Rosoboronexport in a large contract with Pentagon, signed in 2011, to Ukraine,” FSVTS said in a statement published on April 27, 2022.

According to FSVTS, the contract and the user agreement, a copy of which was attached to the statement, states that the helicopters are intended for transfer to the Afghan Armed Forces and cannot be reexported or transferred to any third party without the agreement of the Russian Federation.

The service said such a “voluntaristic decision” contradicts the foundations of international law and the state of other Russian-American contracts.

“The fact that Pentagon officials admit being unable to control further movements of the armaments Americans supplied to Ukraine, meaning – to prevent its uncontrolled transfer to third parties, only aggravates the already intensified the threat of terrorism in the world,” the statement claims.

Ninthace 30th Apr 2022 13:03


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11223265)
it’s apparently in both sides textbooks.

https://twitter.com/AnAthenianToLDN/...15229074341888

Probably for the same reasons. I suppose effectiveness depends how target rich the other end of the trajectory is.

NutLoose 30th Apr 2022 14:06


Originally Posted by Usertim (Post 11223243)
Sadly I am doubting this one Nutloose.

That bridge ( and river) is south of what I understand to be the current frontline by some km ( though I am geograpically challenged). So either the RF has a lot more territory in that little area than we saw published, or perhaps the russians blew the bridge with UA train on it to prevent reinforcements going north of the river, and video\pics are UA propoganda spin.

I cant imagine the OSINT is so far behind that RF is sending rail freight over a bridge that is supposedly in UAF hands still.

Please put me right if I have misunderstood something.

it looks similar on Google Earth and has a parallel concrete road bridge, remember, they also took out a rail bridge near Crimea behind the lines.

UPDATE

you are correct Russia took it out


added picture



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Vzlet 30th Apr 2022 14:28

Lofted Rockets
 
During a mid-1980s discussion of this technique after Soviet helicopters in East Germany had been observed employing it, a USAF pilot who had flown O-2s in Vietnam said that he (and others) used it there. In his case, the rockets were typically for marking rather than effect, but he said with a little practice, accuracy could be surprisingly good.

WillFlyForCheese 30th Apr 2022 14:37

A bit of provocative flying today by NATO - lit itself up for a bit - not too far from Snake Island.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c97e0ff02.jpeg

fdr 30th Apr 2022 14:50


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11223268)
Here is an irony for you, Russia sold MI 17 to the USA to supply to Afghanistan, but the USA has now supplied them to Ukraine and Russia is complaining that it is a breach of contract, more details here.

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/3...ne-with-mi-17s

Recycling. Like returning 122 and 152's to sender. Thoughtful really.


"Russia used to be considered the second strongest military in the world, now, they are the second strongest military in Ukraine". anon

Beamr 30th Apr 2022 15:42

Apparently Russian troops are fighting each other. Chechens vs Buryats regarding spoils of war and Russian contractors vs officers for actually being shot at instead of staying in a five star hotel. Also WW2 soviet style barricading troops are mentioned.

You couldn't make this up. Serves them right.

Buryat skirmish with Chechens - occupiers can't share loot and don't want to go on the offensive
April 29, 2022

In the occupied Kiselivka (Chornobayiv village community of Kherson region) there was a shootout between the Russian military of Chechen and Buryat nationality. More than 50 participants from each side took part in the night incident. The exact number of wounded and dead is currently unknown.

The causes of interethnic conflict are the reluctance of the Buryats to conduct offensive hostilities and "inequality" of conditions with the Chechens. The latter are not at the forefront at all, remaining in the rear only as "barricading detachments". Their task is to encourage the occupying forces to take active action. That is, open fire on those who are trying to retreat.

Another reason is the uneven distribution of loot. The main "profit" from looting is received by the same Chechens.

Due to the unwillingness to take part in the offensive, a conflict arose between the commanders and personnel of the Russian Armed Forces in the occupied Fedorovka, Zaporizhia region. Russians are complaining to locals about cheating when signing contracts and obtaining consent to take part in hostilities.

It turned out that the Russian contractors were promised an operation under the "Crimean scenario". That is, the lack of resistance from Ukraine, the allocation of housing in the occupied territories and a quiet service.

Seeing the real picture, many Russians refused to continue their service. This led to a conflict, which was resolved by the FSB. Some of the servicemen were taken away in an unknown direction after interrogations. They did not return to the place of service.


https://gur.gov.ua/content/perestril...-v-nastup.html

NutLoose 30th Apr 2022 16:41


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11223272)
Probably for the same reasons. I suppose effectiveness depends how target rich the other end of the trajectory is.

More Ukrainian Helicopters operating flying Nap of the Earth.

https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1520039940041719809

https://twitter.com/EmmettLesterSan/status/1508439252089991173


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