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Ninthace 30th Apr 2022 16:58

It they can get over the trees without climbing, they aren't really low!

Wokkafans 30th Apr 2022 17:55


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11223265)
it’s apparently in both sides textbooks.

https://twitter.com/AnAthenianToLDN/...15229074341888



Wokkafans 30th Apr 2022 17:57

The Ukrainians have upgraded from Toyota:

"Ukrainian MT-LB engages with mounted aircraft rocket pods"

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3

Imagegear 30th Apr 2022 19:00

Another:


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NutLoose 30th Apr 2022 19:23

He looks like Benny Hill, or should one say did.

WideScreen 30th Apr 2022 21:13


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11223177)
it is past time to commence reforger.

I doubt that. Just bring in a lot of proper Nato stuff on invitation of the Ukraine government and warn Putin to not hurt/damage anybody/thing, or the Russian forces will be wiped out by those contingents.

WideScreen 30th Apr 2022 21:16


Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins (Post 11223162)
Today's Telegraph reporting the view from Ben Wallace, UK defence secretary, that Putin will declare War on Ukraine at V day celebrations and mobilise Russia. Martial Law will allow total focus on the military effort.

While that sounds very deterrent, to be able to do so, there needs to be a strong economy to "pay" for that. Russian economy is very weak now, and all the savings are already gone. So, no way to pay. Let alone, where is the equipment to be used by the untrained mobilized mob ?

tdracer 30th Apr 2022 21:41


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11222932)
That's spooky,
Is he going to change the name of the Kremlin to Wolfschanze?
  • I mean, he has the shake of the hand thing going on;
  • He attacked across Ukraine, (in reverse direction) silly lad;
  • He attacked and forgot about the weather;
  • He took direct command from the Military as he was a brilliant [KGB spook/ Corporal/ etc];
  • He committed genocide, and war crimes;
  • He reads chicken entrails or tarot cards or something, to do with numerology;
  • Is Putin a painter?
  • Is Putin a vegetarian?
Spooky. lots of material for SNL or Eddie Izzard.

Hopefully the day to day activity includes sacking the President, but the Russian Constitution is pretty miserable in that score, but not impossible.
Is he going to send himself off to Lefortovo if he gets knocked on his butt? That would be the "cheer heard around the world".

I've become increasingly concerned about the parallels between the actions of Hitler and Putin. Especially this:
Hitler decided that Germany largely deserved the fate being handed to in by early 1945 - that it was 'too weak'. Had Hitler had access to something akin to MAD in early 1945, I have little doubt he would have exercised it - yea Germany loses, but so does everyone else.
I fear Vlad is headed into that same insanity. We can only hope and pray that someone in the Russian chain of command stops the insanity before it gets to that stage.

WideScreen 30th Apr 2022 22:05


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11222386)
Stupidity comes to mind, they must have a finite supply of missiles to use, so as long as they are firing them into high rise buildings they are not diminishing the Countries military capability to defend themselves and fight back, the tragedy in it all is the innocents getting killed or maimed as Russia attempts to demoralise the Ukrainian people and break down their spirit and resolve.
But if Bucha is anything to go by Russia is simply making the Country stronger and filling them with so much hate and loathing through these actions that the Ukrainians will fight back to their last.

Actually, that kind of destroying is less stupid as it looks. The high-rise buildings are good ones to have a battlefield overview the moment the battle gets closer.

Also, the more civilian buildings are left, the more people will still be there, so the more soldiers are needed to capture the city. Completely destroy the city, and you have hardly any fighting to capture that city, no fighters can hide in the buildings. Posted earlier, were figures of how many soldiers were needed to capture a city and to keep a captured area under control. Those figures go down drastically, when nearly every civilian fled the destroyed city.

Many people here judge the Russian options, based on Western presumptions around "limit the civilian casualties and damage". Though, once you leave those subtilities behind, the Russian approach isn't that stupid to have better chances to "win" the battle. Russia isn't going to fund the repair costs for rebuilding of captured area's. They leave it to the civilians, on their own, so who cares, not the Russians. General living standard is not a key (political) issue in Russia.

Sad, but true, unfortunately :ugh:

beardy 30th Apr 2022 22:15


Many people here judge the Russian options, based on Western presumptions around "limit the civilian casualties and damage". Though, once you leave those subtilities behind, the Russian approach isn't that stupid to have better chances to "win" the battle. Russia isn't going to fund the repair costs for rebuilding of captured area's. They leave it to the civilians, on their own, so who cares, not the Russians. General living standard is not a key (political) issue in Russia.
Does the end justify the means? not if you signed the Geneva Conventions and are a permanent member of the UNSC especially if you want ever to be trusted again.
This should not be the new world order.

NutLoose 30th Apr 2022 22:53

Similar to the Pope trying to organise an evacuation of Mariupol, I doubt it will ever happen and my reason why as a layman viewing from a distance.

Those civilians caught up in the stronghold are burning through the food and medical supplies available, so why would the Russians allow their evacuation, to do so means those surviving and holding out Service personnel would have access to provisions to hold on longer.
From the Russians point of view the faster they consume their resources the faster they surrender…. I might be wrong, but that’s how I see it, Siege mentality.




Again from a layman looking on, it has been reported that it is going to take approximately three weeks for the Wests aid to arrive into the combat zone and take effect. They seriously need to start cutting off supply routes because regardless of the troops in theatre without resources they will cease to be effective, they need to drop bridges and railways, especially the Crimea one, as that then means resources for the eastern assault will need to be diverted to sustain those.


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Sue Vêtements 30th Apr 2022 23:17


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11223387)
He looks like Benny Hill, or should one say did.

I was going to say the exact same thing ... but then I thought of Winston (Paul Riley) in Still Game, so . . . Separated at birth?
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d32437874f.jpg
(ex) Russian Major General Andrei Simonov
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....19817038e7.jpg
Scottish comedian Paul Riley

HOVIS 30th Apr 2022 23:50


Originally Posted by Imagegear (Post 11222320)

Interesting, yes. But not Ukrainian President or his wife. Its Boyce Avenue and Connie Talbot.

SRFred 1st May 2022 00:46


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11223445)
Similar to the Pope trying to organise an evacuation of Mariupol, I doubt it will ever happen and my reason why as a layman viewing from a distance.

From the Russians point of view the faster they consume their resources the faster they surrender…. I might be wrong, but that’s how I see it, Siege mentality.
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If they were to surrender and peace broke out do you think they would ever get to return home.

NutLoose 1st May 2022 01:09

Nope......

MAINJAFAD 1st May 2022 02:10

Another KA-52 taken out by a Stugna-P ATGM


Timmy Tomkins 1st May 2022 08:46

Putin cancer op?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art....html?ito=1490

Imagegear 1st May 2022 08:48

I thought this guy was already out of it?


IG

dead_pan 1st May 2022 10:05


Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD (Post 11223483)
Another KA-52 taken out by a Stugna-P ATGM

A little disappointed by this - the cheer was nowhere near as loud as the last time they hit one.

NutLoose 1st May 2022 10:22


Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins (Post 11223570)


i do hope the anaesthetist starves him of oxygen during the op if it’s true, or perhaps anaesthetic as well, so he feels everything before he becomes brain dead.


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