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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 29th Mar 2023, 11:05
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I didn’t use it in as a defined term, merely reflecting what I used in the context of when you would fire a radar missile unguided at long range to cause the enemy to honour the threat and manoeuvre. Firing for the effect it would have.

Doing a search the artillery term would seem to be “Final Protective Fire”

“A type of a priority target in a defensive situation is a final protective fire (FPF). Final protective fire is an immediately available prearranged barrier of fire designed to impede enemy movement across defensive lines or areas”.

In artillery terms you first have ranging shots to zero in your guns, then “fire for effect” are the subsequent rounds on the target.

e.g. In the movies where the observer instructs the guns “up 100, left 50” then when they’re on target “fire for effect” when they fully open fire. ((Though in UKR they’re probably adjusting their own fire using a drone)
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 11:06
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Umm .... that would be five permanent members.



Oh ! Were my thanks to ORAC premature ? Can you confirm its meaning, please ?
It means your adjustment round was on target and you can now deliver the full salvo.
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To lighten the mood I thought I would share some Ukrainian beaver with you...

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Welcome to the remote turret..

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Awesome...

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Old 29th Mar 2023, 11:46
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Remember this guy?


Well



Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, has awarded the Golden Cross to Ruslan Zubariev, a senior soldier [equivalent to the rank of corporal – ed.] in the 92nd Ivan Sirko Separate Mechanised Brigade, and presented him with a weapon as an award.

Source: Zaluzhnyi on Telegram; Zubariev on Telegram

Quote from Zaluzhnyi: "I had the honour to decorate Ruslan Zubariev, a senior soldier in the 92nd Ivan Sirko Separate Mechanised Brigade, with the Golden Cross honorary badge and present him with a well-deserved honorary weapon.

Ruslan repelled an attack by superior enemy forces and showed valour and courage in battle."

Details: Zubariev uses the alias Predator.

He took part in a battle against Russian troops near Svatove, Luhansk Oblast, on 16 February 2023. Zubariev filmed a video and posted it on his Telegram channel, PREDATOR.

The footage shows the 21-year-old soldier destroying a Russian BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) and killing several invaders in 30 minutes of combat. Predator uses various weapons [an RPG-7 grenade launcher, machine gun and assault rifle] and throws grenades at the Russian troops from his foxhole.70
  • Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, has awarded the Golden Cross to Ruslan Zubariev, a senior soldier [equivalent to the rank of corporal – ed.] in the 92nd Ivan Sirko Separate Mechanised Brigade, and presented him with a weapon as an award.

Quote from Zaluzhnyi: "I had the honour to decorate Ruslan Zubariev, a senior soldier in the 92nd Ivan Sirko Separate Mechanised Brigade, with the Golden Cross honorary badge and present him with a well-deserved honorary weapon.

Ruslan repelled an attack by superior enemy forces and showed valour and courage in battle."

Details: Zubariev uses the alias Predator.

He took part in a battle against Russian troops near Svatove, Luhansk Oblast, on 16 February 2023. Zubariev filmed a video and posted it on his Telegram channel, PREDATOR.

The footage shows the 21-year-old soldier destroying a Russian BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) and killing several invaders in 30 minutes of combat. Predator uses various weapons [an RPG-7 grenade launcher, machine gun and assault rifle] and throws grenades at the Russian troops from his foxhole.
Predator said the Russian group consisted of 11 soldiers and reinforcements could have joined them, as the Russian positions were 70 metres away.

A Ukrainian mortar crew and an IFV arrived to assist the Ukrainian defenders. The Ukrainian forces held their position and forced the Russian troops to retreat.

The soldier's military partner sustained a concussion during the combat, but still supported Predator with ammunition throughout the battle.

Later, Zubariev described the battle in detail.

Quote from Zubariev: "The day was as ordinary as could be. My partner and I took up our duty, stood guard for an hour and a half, and there was literally half an hour left before we'd be coming off duty and getting some rest, but we heard the sounds of a [moving] BMP-2. Thinking it was somewhere far away, I decided to get the anti-tank weapons ready, and about 10 seconds later, we got a call on the radio warning us that the same BMP-2 was moving in our direction.

We didn't really understand what they were saying on the radio as the Russians were using jamming equipment, and when we were told again that vehicles were moving towards us, they were like 5 metres away, and then the events you’ve all seen on the video began.

Eventually, we repelled the attack, and those who managed to survive ran away. The rest of them are still lying there.

My comrade is fine. He was concussed at the time, but he could still help me; he gave me everything I asked for, listened and followed my orders, for which I am very grateful."

Details: Zubariev says Zaluzhnyi awarded him an M4 assault rifle. Previously, Predator had a customised AK-47 assault rifle. He said he had wanted to purchase an assault rifle, but the law forbids citizens to do so until the age of 25. Zubariev is 21.

https://news.yahoo.com/commander-chi...IJs9asfg_hqifh
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 12:12
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OPSEC anyone?

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Old 29th Mar 2023, 13:31
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Following on from Nutty's post about the "Predator," here's an interview with him. Big balls.

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Old 29th Mar 2023, 13:40
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Originally Posted by Rockie_Rapier
- Patriot is a very ambiguous statement. Does anyone know how to interpret that as being a quantity (understandable) or quality (mmmm....) issue.

Regarding the others :

- UK never sent any remaindered Rapier, so not that.

- Gepard has had happy user videos all over the place.

- IRIS-T I have a vague memory of happy user videos, but could be mistaken in my memory.

- NASAAMS no known happy user videos, though I had assumed OpSec request.

- Crotale no known happy user videos, though I had assumed OpSec request.

The various ex-Soviet stuff sent by eastern European users seems to have been integrated as one would expect.

Maybe other stuff has gone and not been reported.
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 13:50
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Originally Posted by petit plateau
Maybe other stuff has gone and not been reported.
There have been ex-US HAWKs sent to Ukraine, but I never heard of any problems with them.

How could there be a quantity issue with Patriots?
The US doesn't have any current need for them that I know of.
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 14:12
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Or PsyOps ............. its a very long front line, and a slack handful of "leaks" in a number of places will keep it thin.

The trick is knowing where the Orc mobile armour reserve is [shades of Arnhem].
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 15:16
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https://english.nv.ua/nation/us-esti...-50314169.html

How long is this sustainable ??
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 15:30
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Originally Posted by BlankBox
The way he thinks, I expect until he (Putin) is the last man standing!
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 16:01
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Originally Posted by FUMR
The way he thinks, I expect until he (Putin) is the last man standing!
I can see how Putin has now invested so much in his military adventure that he cannot afford to be seen to fail or he will be murdered. What baffles me is his military commanders meekly allowing their much-vaunted military to be eviscerated like this for no gain whatsoever.
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Possible AMX10’s already in Ukraine

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Old 29th Mar 2023, 16:52
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Surprise

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Old 29th Mar 2023, 18:07
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RUSI article…

https://static.rusi.org/202303-SR-Un...-final.pdf.pdf

Preliminary Lessons from Russia’s Unconventional Operations During the Russo-Ukrainian War, February 2022–February 2023
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 18:18
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Originally Posted by ORAC
In artillery terms you first have ranging shots to zero in your guns, then “fire for effect” are the subsequent rounds on the target.
To paraphrase a certain beer ad, "Bang On!"

Fire for effect is when the whole battery (or regiment) fires together as opposed to just one or more ranging guns adjusting the target.
Normally a pattern is specified. Options are Parallel, Converged, Linear and Circular or Rectangular Sheaf for distributed fires.
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 18:25
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Originally Posted by Wokkafans
Following on from Nutty's post about the "Predator," here's an interview with him. Big balls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZD...glishSubtitles
I tried to open that link and was asked to verify my age. Given all the porn and other crap on youtube, easily accesible without verification, what is it that is so bad about this that requires age verification?
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 18:48
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Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
I tried to open that link and was asked to verify my age. Given all the porn and other crap on youtube, easily accesible without verification, what is it that is so bad about this that requires age verification?
someone being killed, I guess.
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