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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 22nd Mar 2023, 23:11
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Originally Posted by uxb99
Is close escort a valid tactic on the modern battlefield? WW2 close escort was seen as relatively ineffective. Escorts preferring to be way out in front to counter any threat rising to meet the bombers.
Of course a lot has changed since then.
itís not a tactical formation, but then itís not a tactical mission.
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Old 22nd Mar 2023, 23:17
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It appears something was still burning in Sevastopol the morning after the attack..


It also appears Ukraine has newer sleeker version of their maritime drone.

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Old 22nd Mar 2023, 23:17
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One field!
Hey, steady on! How big was the field? A hectare or a whole county?
Both sides are spewing propaganda remember - it isn't wise to swallow any of it without due and cautious thought...
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 00:01
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A Russian successÖ leaving Kherson

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Heís at it again, ascending to heaven, more like it his ass ending as a silhouette burnt onto the wall of his studio wall post strike..

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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 01:18
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Maybe Putin needs irresponsible people like this in order for him to look 'good' against.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 02:58
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Heís at it again, ascending to heaven, more like it his ass ending as a silhouette burnt onto the wall of his studio wall post strike..



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I have to ask, but am sure I know the answer, is this an official Russkie TV channel? Are these people insane? Do real Russians believe this stuff? Ah, Solzhenitsyn's liar quote comes to mind. It's amazing how the world's view of Russia has changed in a year.
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Originally Posted by Winemaker
I have to ask, but am sure I know the answer, is this an official Russkie TV channel? Are these people insane? Do real Russians believe this stuff? Ah, Solzhenitsyn's liar quote comes to mind. It's amazing how the world's view of Russia has changed in a year.
As crazy as it sounds to an outsider, it is indeed likely that many Russians believe the propaganda. In addition to the threats which make expressions of disbelief risky, it’s simply easier to go along and get along. Western democracy has all too recent examples of a majority of the American electorate believing blatant lies from the highest government level and the pundits of his once favorite propaganda network. So how can we expect better in Russia? The solution(s) to the world’s problems are clearly not political.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 07:37
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https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon...older-version/

US to fast-track Abrams tanks for Ukraine by choosing older version

WASHINGTON ― The Pentagon announced it will speed up its delivery of Patriot missiles and M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, opting to send a refurbished older model that can be ready faster and reach Ukrainian troops fighting Russiaís invasion force by this fall.

The original plan was to send Ukraine 31 of the newer M1A2 Abrams, which could have taken a year or two to build and ship. But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has approved new plans to send the older M1A1 version from Army stocks, which will be easier for Ukrainian forces to learn to use and maintain as they fight Russiaís invasion.

ďDoD, in close coordination with Ukraine, made the decision to buy the M1A1 variant which will enable us to significantly expedite delivery timelines, and deliver this important capability to Ukraine by the fall of this year,Ē said the Pentagonís press secretary, Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder.

The U.S. will refurbish excess M1 hulls and ship them as the M1A1 SA variant, outfitting the 70-ton behemoths with 120mm cannons and 50-caliber machine guns.

Poland in January signed a contract for 250 M1A2 Abrams SEPv3 tanks; U.S. Defense Department officials could not immediately say how they planned to juggle the Ukraine purchase and foreign military salesÖ..
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Chechnya. Interesting.
Ah, for Racedo's comment, at the time, Crimea was a part of Ukraine, had been since Feb of 54. It had no autonomy, and had not for more than a hundred years.

Ukraine had every right to be independent, it was in the original USSR charter and again in the agreements of the breakup of the USSR. So did Chechnya, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia etc. Most elected to do so, under the agreement of Alma Ata.
Crimea was a part of Ukraine by then.

They could be independent, but recall that Russia conducted a genocide of the inhabitants, there is as much right to Turkey there as any other inhabitant at this time.

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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 08:38
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Forgive me a simple question, why was the US planning to build new tanks for Ukraine ? The US must have thousands in stock, and the likelihood of suddenly needing them must be minimal. I don't think neither Mexico nor Canada are likely to invade, or the US invading these countries any time soon ! Although, should Trump get reelected we can't know what's going to happen...
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 09:56
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Originally Posted by Gargleblaster
Forgive me a simple question, why was the US planning to build new tanks for Ukraine ? The US must have thousands in stock, and the likelihood of suddenly needing them must be minimal. I don't think neither Mexico nor Canada are likely to invade, or the US invading these countries any time soon ! Although, should Trump get reelected we can't know what's going to happen...
I believe that the tanks going to Ukraine were going to be supplied without their classified armour, and it was presumably thought more sensible to build new without the classified components rather than go to the trouble of stripping existing units. No idea why there has been a re-think. It does surprise me though, because I had the impression that Biden's assent to send tanks was primarily a sop to Scholz who said he would only send Leo's if the USA sent M1's: what was important was the headline announcement of sending them, not the small-print detail of when they would arrive.

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New footage showing a marine drone being destroyed in Sevastopol. Beached on a boom? I have read that the ferry service has been cancelled, if indeed it did detonate on the boom, possibility that the harbour now has a damaged boom preventing the ferries from sailing?





https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-sevastopol-attacked-by-drones-from-sea-and-air

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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 10:45
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Originally Posted by fdr
Ah, for Racedo's comment, at the time, Crimea was a part of Ukraine, had been since Feb of 54. It had no autonomy, and had not for more than a hundred years.

Ukraine had every right to be independent, it was in the original USSR charter and again in the agreements of the breakup of the USSR. So did Chechnya, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia etc. Most elected to do so, under the agreement of Alma Ata.
Crimea was a part of Ukraine by then.

They could be independent, but recall that Russia conducted a genocide of the inhabitants, there is as much right to Turkey there as any other inhabitant at this time.
Yes, my comment was to point out to Racedo that Russia started a war against a breakaway region that sought independence. Twice, actually.
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To be honest, I am very doubtful that it was Putin visiting!
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Forgive me a simple question, why was the US planning to build new tanks for Ukraine ?
Another reason is that itís much easier to get new builds through Congress.

For at least a decade the army hasnít wanted any more Abrams and donít ask for any in their budget - and every year Congress adds another buy to keep the production line going.

The army preference is that the line should be kept going with FMS orders, as with the Polish order, so ordering more for Ukraine would have extended the production line without any more for the army.

https://www.npr.org/2012/07/25/15725...-says-no-tanks
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...esnt-want.html

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Another careless smoker.

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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 12:24
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Yes, my comment was to point out to Racedo that Russia started a war against a breakaway region that sought independence. Twice, actually.
Chechnya-Ingush had every right to self govern IIRC... I may be wrong, but every state and republic under the USSRs charter, Article 72 had the right of choice to leave the USSR freely, that was 72 different republics and states. That included Georgia etc. In 1991, the Alma Ata protocol was not binding on the parties that refused to be a party, that still had every right to leave the union, and most did before Russia finally got a constitution in order years later. In the meantime, some states, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia refused to sign the Alma Ata Protocols as they had been illegally annexed by the USSR in 1940. They were brave then as now. Chechnya as well as Georgia had every right to walk out, they did not sign any binding agreement with Russia to be one of Yeltsins lackeys.
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Seaborne attack on Sebastopol


The above is from Denys Davydov, a civilian pilot who is blogging most days on the war The first seven minutes concern the seaborne drone attack with more video than already shown on here: Denys is a native of Sevastopol, so he can add intelligent guesswork - and background material - on which major ship may have been hit. A good channel to drop in on - lots of detail particularly on all movements on the front-line ( 15 mins on if interested ).
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