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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

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Old 26th Jan 2023, 21:35
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
The German army was routed utterly before it had got back home.
A slower read would reveal that there was a BAOR occupying the Rhineland in 1919, .
I didn't know that - which areas ?
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Old 26th Jan 2023, 21:38
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
I didn't know that - which areas ?
Mostly around Cologne/Köln:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_of_the_Rhine
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Old 26th Jan 2023, 21:54
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​​​​​​​https://www.newsweek.com/russia-mark...impact-1774666
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Old 26th Jan 2023, 22:00
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After the end of World War I, the Rhineland came under Allied occupation. Under the 1919 Treaty of Versailles, the German military was forbidden from all territories west of the Rhine or within 50 km east of it. The 1925 Locarno Treaties reaffirmed the then-permanently-demilitarized status of the Rhineland. In 1929, German Foreign Minister Gustav Stresemann negotiated the withdrawal of the Allied forces. The last soldiers left the Rhineland in June 1930.
Thats from the online encyclopaedia. It was the Rhineland where Crazy Adolf started his reimagining of Europe and Germany's part in it. It is all very similar to what is happening in The Ukraine. Had France and Britain enforced the post WW1 Treaties then possibly WW2 may not have happened. Its good to see that Western Europe is not making the same mistake this time around.
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Old 26th Jan 2023, 22:07
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Ukrainian mil. reporter Butusov on Uhledar - the siege has begun, taking the city of strategic importance for Russians to move Ukrainian forces away from the Crimean corridor.

The Ukrainian objective is to inflict as many losses as possible on the attacking elite Russian troops.

Russian troops began the assault of Vuhledar. Vuhledar is of key importance for the Russian Federation, it is a strategically important point of communications in the south of Donbas, a border for the deployment of the future Ukrainian offensive on the Crimean Corridor.

The capture of Vuhledar will significantly improve the strategic position of the Russian army in the Donbass, and will allow the defense to be deepened. The goal of the Russian command in the 2023 campaign is to capture the entire Donbas, or push our army away from the Crimean corridor. To capture Vuhledar, the Russians concentrated their best forces - brigades of marines and airborne troops, ammunition stocks.

For us, the successful defense of Vuhledar means dealing maximum losses to elite Russian brigades. We remember how the Russians tried to capture Vugledar for the first time in the fall, and stopped in the village of Pavlivka near the city. The Russian regular army is very sensitive to losses, and there was an outcry in the Russian media that the Russian marines were defeated.

Vuhledar is a convenient line of defense, it is on the heights, the enemy is advancing from the lowlands, there are opportunities to inflict a new defeat on the enemy.

The battle for Vugledar will determine the entire course of the subsequent war in southern Ukraine in 2023.
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Old 26th Jan 2023, 22:25
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BREAKING: France 'could' agree to Ukraine's demands for fighter jets, the chairman of the French defence committee says - The Telegraph

"The Danes and Eastern Europe countries are thinking about it."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-fighter-jets/




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Old 26th Jan 2023, 22:54
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
I only need room for my wives. As the tea person is a fount of knowledge I want a hotline to him/ her/ they/ it.
hotline available only until March.

404 error the domain name .ru could not be found.

+7 your call could not be connected, please check the number and try again.

and so Russia's descent into the third world begins.
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Old 26th Jan 2023, 23:14
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The capture of Vuhledar will significantly improve the strategic position of the Russian army in the Donbass, and will allow the defense to be deepened. The goal of the Russian command in the 2023 campaign is to capture the entire Donbas, or push our army away from the Crimean corridor. To capture Vuhledar, the Russians concentrated their best forces - brigades of marines and airborne troops, ammunition stocks.
The battle for Vugledar will determine the entire course of the subsequent war in southern Ukraine in 2023.
I don't see how it is a strategic town at all. It is a small town on flat ground in the middle of wheat fields with no railroad and one road leading toward Marinka which is 15 miles away and is the closest 'city' to Vuhledar.

BTW
There is a dirt strip about 2 mi west of Vuhledar (47° 46.355' 37° 10.601'E) which you can take off from with Flight Sim.


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Old 27th Jan 2023, 00:00
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Originally Posted by ORAC
BREAKING: France 'could' agree to Ukraine's demands for fighter jets, the chairman of the French defence committee says - The Telegraph

"The Danes and Eastern Europe countries are thinking about it."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-fighter-jets/

Are we talking Rafale?
What else is available?
Older Mirages?
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 00:02
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Originally Posted by tartare
Are we talking Rafale?
What else is avaliable?
Probably mirage 2000 they still have, they have some early like b/c model that were supposed to retire last year. They also have D's but think they are still the nuclear certified aircraft
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 01:07
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Originally Posted by Beamr
It's only fair that the Z-team gets tanks as donation as well
To my experience Geraschenko is selectively careless with facts when pushing his line. Is this another NAFO hat trick he forwards with credibility?
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 01:36
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I think you will find those tanks were purchased for use in their mayday parades, nothing more.
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 01:38
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I think you will find those tanks were purchased for use in their mayday parades, nothing more.
Yes, I remember that news from sometime early last year.
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 02:35
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Rashist telegrams are reporting another Major General died today. Not saying anything about cause of death but believed to be in Ukraine

Major General Leonid Leontievich Polyakov
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 02:52
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent
To my experience Geraschenko is selectively careless with facts when pushing his line. Is this another NAFO hat trick he forwards with credibility?
I'll take it as well timed humour, nothing more,. The purchase of these T34's for exhibit and parade purposes was announced half a year ago already.

Once again I am finding out that humoir online is one difficult art to master.
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 06:44
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For when they run out of convicts and conscripts presumably?

We're not there yet with autonomous "situational / spatial understanding" in complex and dynamic environments. Very much doubt that this is anything more than propaganda. Also very skeptical about their ability to procure the required chipsets and sensors.

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Old 27th Jan 2023, 09:13
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Poland to send 74 tanks to Ukraine!!!



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ds/ar-AA16NIKJ

The head of the Ukrainian Presidential Office, Andriy Yermak, said Friday that Poland will send to Kiev 60 PT-91 battle tanks in addition to the fourteen Leopards already promised by Warsaw, as part of the international support to the Ukrainian authorities in the face of the Russian invasion.

"Poland will send 60 PT-91 Twardy tanks to Ukraine, alongside the fourteen Leopard 2 previously announced. Thanks to our allies. Let's crush the enemy," Yermak said in a message on Telegram.

Yermak himself has noted on his account on the social network Twitter that "today the world honors the memory of the victims of the Holocaust." "Their tragedy should have served as a warning to prevent new crimes against humanity, but today, in the center of Europe, a genocide of Ukrainians is taking place. We will never forgive or forget anything," he reiterated.

Poland's Deputy Defense Minister, Wojciech Skurkiewicz, estimated on Thursday that "within a few weeks" fourteen Leopard 2 tanks will be ready to be shipped, following Germany's approval, which puts an end to weeks of speculation about the delivery of this type of armored vehicles coveted by Ukraine.
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 10:42
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A few weeks to prepare ! Why so long, crew training ?
When the Falklands was invaded our victorious task force was assembled in DAYS. I see the same urgency is needed in the Ukraine situation.
Everyone worked day and night to get the force ready, tanks in Ukraine are needed urgently to ensure victory,.
​​​​​​…. But at least the Poles, to their great credit, ARE supplying tanks, more than any other nation.
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 11:08
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Originally Posted by uxb99
Wasn't one of the deciding factors in Germany loosing WW1 the successful naval blockade of food and supplies?
No, deciding factors in Germany 'loosing' (sic) WW1 was to follow Austria-Hungary in its ambitions against Serbia and Russia, and territorial gains in Belgum and France.
The factors you mentioned were instrumental in 'losing' the war, which is a completely different matter.
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 11:22
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
No, deciding factors in Germany 'loosing' (sic) WW1 was to follow Austria-Hungary in its ambitions against Serbia and Russia, and territorial gains in Belgum and France.
The factors you mentioned were instrumental in 'losing' the war, which is a completely different matter.
If it's deciding factors (plural), then it should be 'were' and not 'was'. Also, it's not 'Belgum' (sic).

Easy to do, isn't it?
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