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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 25th Nov 2022, 02:22
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Originally Posted by uxb99
We have just given Sea Kings to Ukraine. How long before the west has run out of old kit and has to start donating new stuff? Or does the west have a plentiful supply of military tat (for wont of a better phrase).
There are still several countries operating Sea King’s, just because we have retired ours, it does not mean they are not capable machines, our last ones only went out of service in 2018, we retired the Harriers if you remember, something still in US marine front line service.

If one thing has come out from this war that I think the U.K. needs to address, it is our reserves, we are renowned for retiring capable kit early as cost saving measures, Jaguar, Tornado, Harrier, some of the Stormers, Scorpions , Challengers etc and flogging them off with next to no use on them life wise.

Gone are the days of putting them in storage as war stocks as was done with the likes of the WW2 Green Godess fire engines that used to get dragged out during strikes.

Germany appears to be able to provide NATO Countries with Leopards, Ukraine with Gepards. The US to provide Countries with M113, Humvees, and Abrams tanks from their war reserve stocks.

While the U.K. In reality appears to have sold off ours for a quick buck. That needs to change, because heaven forbid if we ever go to war again in Europe as we will be found lacking, yes you can build new tanks, but refurbishing / regenerating held stock would be a damned sight quicker than starting from scratch and Ukraine Is showing the world what they can do regenerating captured and damaged vehicles and putting them back on the frontline. Something we need to learn from.

examples of what I mean

16,000 odd miles

https://www.mod-sales.com/direct/veh...8x6_DROPS_.htm

303 miles!!!

https://www.mod-sales.com/direct/veh...ER_DEPOSIT.htm

5622 miles!

https://www.mod-sales.com/direct/veh...Land_Rover.htm


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Old 25th Nov 2022, 02:31
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Luckily we were not so stupid as to sell off our gold reserves, though… (er?)

A nation of not very good shop-keepers?
Finally time to learn some hard lessons?

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Old 25th Nov 2022, 02:44
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Even these that were all flogged off with a couple of hundred miles on them cheap, Ukraine is using similar for quick dash and splash missions to kill tanks etc with the likes of stingers, something we could learn from.

https://tanks-alot.co.uk/product/springer-tomcar-2/


This is when we were selling them off With 250 miles on the clock for just over £7k

Tests have proven the capabilities of the vehicle with 75 Springers commissioned by the UK Ministry of Defence at a cost of $10,300,000. Ideal for use on a farm/estate or for having a little fun, registered for road use, this looks remarkable value given the approximate £86,000 cost of each individual unit.
so £79,000 depreciation opin 250 miles! And the dealer would be making a profit.

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/a...mcar-springer/

and how Ukraine is using the likes on the battlefield, something we could learn from

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-russian-tanks

https://defence-blog.com/ukrainian-b...russian-tanks/

Fast, cheap and lethal against armour.

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Old 25th Nov 2022, 02:53
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Don't disagree with your point Nutty, but using reserve stocks didn't go so well for the Russians. Of course, there's a whole argument there about the quality of the equipment but I would imagine it's more than just parking stuff in the desert. Your industry has to have the capacity & capability to bring it back effectively.
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 04:34
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The reserve war stocks of vehicles i believe at Bruggen were dragged out and ran around the airfield every month or so, mainly landrovers, 431 MU had sheds full of them. Germany does not appear to have had much trouble generating the Gepards bar the ammo issues and the Government intransigence towards it.

The problem with Russias is their culture of what is yours is mine and the theft there of, tanks in reserve found engineless with electronics and optics stolen to flog on to third parties.
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 09:13
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Another site worth looking at if you want ex UK military stuff

https://www.mod-sales.com/
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This little video is truly incredible. I recommend everybody watch it several times, to let it sink in. It says so much about why Russia is losing this war.

It shows a Ukrainian drone dropping a small grenade on a group of 11 Russian soldiers huddled sleeping in a (weakly) defensive dug-out pit, on the front line east of Bakhmut. What's amazing to watch is how sluggishly - if at all - the men react.Ö.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...212169728.html
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 10:26
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Germany appears to be able to provide NATO Countries with Leopards, Ukraine with Gepards. The US to provide Countries with M113, Humvees, and Abrams tanks from their war reserve stocks.
Well, kind of..
The German Army did have proper War stock after the fall of the Iron Curtain with Tanks being conserved and put to Long Term Storage in 'Bundeswehr' Depots. These were mostly dissolved later on and the Tanks that were still rather up to date were given back to the Manufacturers (Krauss- Maffei/Wegmann and Rheinmetall). The latter did keep them as basis for Refurbishment and Re-selling to other Armies/Customers. That is where many/most of the Leopard 2 that were delivered in the past came from and this also where the Gepards (and a number of Marders) 'survived'. Unfortunately Chassis which were not produced by KMW/Rheinmetall did not find a similar caring home. This is why almost 100 of the MARS/M270 (of which the German Army once had 148 and now has less than 40) were scrapped instead of stored which are now badly missing as Basis for Refurb and for Supplying to Ukraine

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Desperate Putin tells Army it needs 5 million troops to 'finish war with NATO in Ukraine'
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-kyiv-zelensky
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 11:17
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Originally Posted by ORAC
This little video is truly incredible. I recommend everybody watch it several times, to let it sink in. It says so much about why Russia is losing this war.

It shows a Ukrainian drone dropping a small grenade on a group of 11 Russian soldiers huddled sleeping in a (weakly) defensive dug-out pit, on the front line east of Bakhmut. What's amazing to watch is how sluggishly - if at all - the men react.Ö.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...212169728.html

Probably the comments sum it up.

These men are suffering from moderate to severe hypothermia, when the body stops shivering and the mind goes into a stupor or even shuts down. They were probably laying huddled all night without proper clothing or bags. Night temperatures have been in the mid-high 30s F / 0-4 C


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Old 25th Nov 2022, 11:31
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Wagner commander commits suicide rather than be killed by a drone, judging by the film his left leg is unresponsive.

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Old 25th Nov 2022, 11:43
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Drone wars.

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Old 25th Nov 2022, 12:10
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GRENADE!! faultless lol

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Old 25th Nov 2022, 12:28
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 19:07
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This is how a military superpower looks like...
As these are the first 300k mobilized, one wonders what does the second batch get? Or the third...

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Originally Posted by Confusious
Desperate Putin tells Army it needs 5 million troops to 'finish war with NATO in Ukraine'
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-kyiv-zelensky
By the time they get anywhere near that figure, they will be sending them to war dressed in beach towels and flip flops having exhausted everything else.
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 20:28
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Give them whatever they need to get this done.

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Old 25th Nov 2022, 20:45
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People asked about the supply of generators

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FSB killed ukrainian ultra nationalists, or airsofters larping STALKER

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I missed this one as it slipped under the radar, Poland to equip one Ukrainian SU24 with a SCALP cruise missile with a 300 Km range

https://avia-pro.net/news/polsha-osn...lp-s-dalnostyu

also on the same link.

​​​​​​​Ukraine received 38 MLRS HIMARS from the USA.

The Pentagon officially announced that Ukraine received 38 HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems from the United States. This is one and a half times more than the amount of weapons that was officially announced, and taking into account 11 M270 MLRS multiple launch rocket systems supplied from the UK and Italy, as well as five MARS II rocket systems supplied by Germany, today Ukraine has a huge number of these MLRS funds.

Until recently, Washington reported that only 24 HIAMRS launchers were in service with Ukraine, however, it is clear that such information turned out to be misinformation, probably with the aim of influencing the conduct of the JMD. The official report of the Pentagon states that, as of October 14, Ukraine has already received 38 HIMARS MLRS, and by the end of this year it is quite possible to supply additional MLRS (the US reserve is about 50 units - ed.) .

A little earlier it was reported that, according to the Russian defense department, since the beginning of the appearance of the HIMARS MLRS in Ukraine, at least 13 launchers were hit, however, probably due to the replenishment of this weapon, the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not feel its lack.
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