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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 8th Apr 2022, 00:04
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Letís add the courageous and compassionate Moldovans.
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Old 8th Apr 2022, 02:40
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I do hope this turns out to be a disaster for the Russians if trueÖ

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndep...77491585761296
Seems to be alluding to a Kursk like conflict.
Certainly a hell of a lot armour on trains heading south...
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Will there be enough NLAWs, Javelins and other such missiles to take out the newly arriving tanks?

The Finns got lucky in Stalin's second invasion when he sent tanks along the frozen Gulf of Finland. A few shells from a shore battery broke up the ice and sent the tanks to the bottom.
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Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying

The Finns got lucky in Stalin's second invasion when he sent tanks along the frozen Gulf of Finland. A few shells from a shore battery broke up the ice and sent the tanks to the bottom.
Never heard of this, which battle was it?
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Here is some aviation content, albeit of dubious quality
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...russian-black/
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Ninthace, article above locked.
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Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying
Will there be enough NLAWs, Javelins and other such missiles to take out the newly arriving tanks?

I did wonder if now they are armed with the new Switchblade 600 that has a range of nearly 40 km, would it not be ideal to start hitting the tanks at the rear while they are forming up and re-equipping, I would imagine it would cause fear and disallusionment amongst those fresh troops and conscripts before they even set off. Also will the weather not start to play a role as it is getting warmer with the occasional rain, and they I should imagine are going to be roadbound again. Also would the self propelled artillery be more of an ideal target along with fuel.
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Old 8th Apr 2022, 09:38
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I did wonder if now they are armed with the new Switchblade 600 that has a range of nearly 40 kml.
April 05 2022 "The Pentagon plans to order and send to Ukraine 10 of the newest model Switchblade drones armed with tank-busting warheads in addition to previously announced deliveries of a less powerful version, according to two people familiar with the decision."

This model - the 600 - has the same war-head as in the Javelin: the 300 has the same HE load as a 40 mm grenade.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...e-tank-killers

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Old 8th Apr 2022, 10:00
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Originally Posted by GlobalNav
and does Belarus have nukes?

what prevents western nations from dealing definitively with Belarusian forces?
It wouldn't surprise me if Putin doesn't consider Belarusian forces to be an extension of the RF forces albeit slightly more expendable. As such he would would consider an attack on them would be an an attack on him.

That's not to say I don't think sending Putin a message by making an example out of Lukashenko would be a bad thing.

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Old 8th Apr 2022, 10:12
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Originally Posted by GlobalNav
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what prevents western nations from dealing definitively with Belarusian forces?
How would you differentiate between Belarussian troops and RF troops stationed/staging there ? What do you think the consequences of an attack on Russian troops - there at the invitation of the Belarussian government - would be ?
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Old 8th Apr 2022, 11:02
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Never heard of this, which battle was it?
The Winter War - some details here: A Short History Of The 'Winter War' | Imperial War Museums (iwm.org.uk)
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Originally Posted by 212man
I am aware of the winter war, as it happens my grand father fought in it, but I've never heard that any soviet tanks would've tried to join the battle via the Gulf of Finland nor the finns shelling the ice to submerge those. However I am open for new information.
Also, that was the first invasion. The second was the Continuation war 1941-1944 .
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There is a film on youtube regarding the loss of the NATO Romanian Lancer and Puma that crashed a while back, however if you go to 4.55 area it shows the SU27 that was shown from a drone to have belly landed in a Ukrainian field, but from the ground, it appears to be pretty much intact.

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Soviet Russian authorities say that a Mig31 crashed today in the Leningrad region. Authorities say that the jet was on a routine training mission when crashed. The crew ejected safely.

https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/14324931
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Aviation content.

Nice article about Bayraktar , and some hints that UAF now operate the 'mini' bayraktar too.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...n-ukraine.html
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Beamr,

The tank sinking was in a book that I lent out to a Finn mountain guide a decade or so ago; so perforce unable to provide more details.
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
Ninthace, article above locked.
He was visiting the Romanian Mihail Kogalniceanu base, on the Black Sea coast and around 200 miles from the most intense fighting in southern Ukraine. Just general blah, nothing of note, except, for me, this:

"Ahead of a visit to the base, Air Chief Marshal Sir Mike Wigston said some of the British pilots were in their early 20s and "just out of training". They now face having to make critical judgments in the skies to avoid a potentially catastrophic confrontation with Russia."

It astonishes me that he underlines their youth and lack of experience: not what I would expect him to do in such a media-heavy and diplomatically tense environment. That's a fail for the ACM from me.
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Old 8th Apr 2022, 16:01
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
He was visiting the Romanian Mihail Kogalniceanu base, on the Black Sea coast and around 200 miles from the most intense fighting in southern Ukraine. Just general blah, nothing of note, except, for me, this:

"Ahead of a visit to the base, Air Chief Marshal Sir Mike Wigston said some of the British pilots were in their early 20s and "just out of training". They now face having to make critical judgments in the skies to avoid a potentially catastrophic confrontation with Russia."

It astonishes me that he underlines their youth and lack of experience: not what I would expect him to do in such a media-heavy and diplomatically tense environment. That's a fail for the ACM from me.
Thankyou TF. I was surprised the DT article locked, I checked the link after posting and it worked for me without logging in and I had cleaned cookies to.
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Old 8th Apr 2022, 16:39
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
"Ahead of a visit to the base, Air Chief Marshal Sir Mike Wigston said some of the British pilots were in their early 20s and "just out of training". They now face having to make critical judgments in the skies to avoid a potentially catastrophic confrontation with Russia."

It astonishes me that he underlines their youth and lack of experience: not what I would expect him to do in such a media-heavy and diplomatically tense environment. That's a fail for the ACM from me.
An alternate interpretation could be "Join the RAF, and within a few years it could be you doing stuff like this."

Never hurts to keep the recruitment spin going if you want the best candidates to apply.
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Old 8th Apr 2022, 17:05
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
He was visiting the Romanian Mihail Kogalniceanu base, on the Black Sea coast and around 200 miles from the most intense fighting in southern Ukraine. Just general blah, nothing of note, except, for me, this:

"Ahead of a visit to the base, Air Chief Marshal Sir Mike Wigston said some of the British pilots were in their early 20s and "just out of training". They now face having to make critical judgments in the skies to avoid a potentially catastrophic confrontation with Russia."

It astonishes me that he underlines their youth and lack of experience: not what I would expect him to do in such a media-heavy and diplomatically tense environment. That's a fail for the ACM from me.
Early 20s. Yeah, right.

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