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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 13th Jun 2020, 10:41
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Originally Posted by FatPilot

I have no doubt either.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt you're not being facetious, since it's hard to get tone from text.

However, had I been chopped because I refused to let them ignore blatant safety violations, I'd consider it a job well done and I'd do it again. Many areas of concern that just got glossed over or swept under the tapestry rug... they just never got it, even after 521.

Not everyone had the nerve to stand up to them on that issue and many still don't which is why I won't be flying EK metal anytime in the near future once we can travel again. Just not worth the risk and even less so now with the stress everyone will be under.

Hopefully they start handling the firings with more care and respect.. but I won't hold my breath
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 11:03
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Originally Posted by Dropp the Pilot
Every airline in the world is laying off pilots but when Emirates does the same it becomes a moral outrage.

Explain.

I doubt you are capable of doing so.
True however anger and denial are the first two stages of grief. Losing your job is like losing someone (according to psychologists). The anger and outrage will die down eventually.
Perhaps if they just sent out letters+emails to all the staff who are laid off it would of been better? I dont know.... There is no nice way of telling thousands of people their service is no longer needed due to the economic climate and pandemic.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 14:48
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Some posters appear to be missing the reason why EK employees are upset and angry. Yes, many airlines are laying off crews. And we knew EK would likely be no different. However, it is the way EK have gone about this that has angered so many people.
  • No warning for starters. People simply receiving Emails to go in for 'meetings' the very next day.
  • Then no consideration was given to alternative cost-saving measures such as unpaid leave or furloughs.
  • No consideration given for rank, position or seniority (people really do appear to have been selected randomly).
  • No apparent consideration for performance (people with commendations, no sick records and no disciplinaries have been fired).
  • And to top it all off...STILL no word from ANY of the management regarding the redundancies.

Hmmm...Should someone do a welfare check on the Management? They haven't been seen or heard from for over a week now....
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 18:58
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Typical spineless EK management handling of this . Reminds me of the first gulf war and the cowards! ( no names mentioned!)
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 19:58
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Originally Posted by ClassCbird
Some posters appear to be missing the reason why EK employees are upset and angry. Yes, many airlines are laying off crews. And we knew EK would likely be no different. However, it is the way EK have gone about this that has angered so many people.
  • No warning for starters. People simply receiving Emails to go in for 'meetings' the very next day.
  • Then no consideration was given to alternative cost-saving measures such as unpaid leave or furloughs.
  • No consideration given for rank, position or seniority (people really do appear to have been selected randomly).
  • No apparent consideration for performance (people with commendations, no sick records and no disciplinaries have been fired).
  • And to top it all off...STILL no word from ANY of the management regarding the redundancies.

Hmmm...Should someone do a welfare check on the Management? They haven't been seen or heard from for over a week now....
Are people on leave without pay from another airline still employed while full timers were sacked?

Imagine how the out come could have different if management communicated with and worked with the workforce to find a solution.
Opportunity missed.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 20:33
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Old 14th Jun 2020, 00:21
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I heard that the process of who would be selected for redundancy was outsourced to a third-party organisation. Should this be true, then whoever in HR that signed off this deal should be hung drawn and quartered. Whilst the vast majority of employees are on 50% pay, I find it incredulous that money was spent on a task that I am sure this could have been carried out in house.

I find this next rumour hard to believe after I heard it but does anyone know if the DCP-B was selected as well?
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Old 14th Jun 2020, 03:12
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds
I heard that the process of who would be selected for redundancy was outsourced to a third-party organisation. Should this be true, then whoever in HR that signed off this deal should be hung drawn and quartered. Whilst the vast majority of employees are on 50% pay, I find it incredulous that money was spent on a task that I am sure this could have been carried out in house.

I find this next rumour hard to believe after I heard it but does anyone know if the DCP-B was selected as well?
Personally, I would have thought, using a third party to access required statistics and information would be justified, then the company or persons would not be accused of fiddling data?
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Old 14th Jun 2020, 04:35
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I feel for any crew member going through this very tough time. I have been through it as an expat in a previous life and wish you all the best as you pick up the pieces and try to rebuild your life.

I am stunned, however, by the number of posters who actually seem breathtakingly shocked by the way EK employees are being terminated without care, compassion, dignity or humanity.

AYFKM??

When you move to a country that does not respect human rights, democracy and many other freedoms that you likely took for granted in your country of origin, for a few pieces of silver and rapid career progression, you perhaps took a gamble on the upside without enough analysis of the risks.

For those of you getting towards retirement age, I hope you have been financially prudent. For those much younger, I hope you will see in time that there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. For all, I hope you will see the experience as one to learn from and that there really isn’t anything that important in life other than your health (physical and mental) and spending time with the people you love.

Sincerely best wishes,

PG

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Old 14th Jun 2020, 13:18
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21 years service and only a phone call to say you are not needed..
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Old 14th Jun 2020, 15:52
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I thought it was an SMS? 🤔
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Old 14th Jun 2020, 22:12
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Who does EKs audit? They have access to way more than just the money .

Glofish, good pick up !

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Old 15th Jun 2020, 04:00
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A very freudian misspelling ......
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 06:32
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Originally Posted by screwtop
21 years service and only a phone call to say you are not needed..
I know itís heart breaking but that does not mean you are a bad employee. There will be better times. Much better ones. Itís okay to grieve over it and there will be better times. There always have been for everyone
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 10:22
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EK

So I was one of the people to be given the email no problems and 4 years service. I'm happy to be leaving unlike a lot of people. They essentially have anyone under bond trapped as if you resign you pay them the balance and anything else they deem you owe. You get no access to your provident and essentially leave with next to nothing. The 50% salary cut is more like 65% for those not flying at all and not much better for those that are. I spent 3 months trapped in my house between flights with no access to the outside world, I at least had my family unlike some of my colleagues that were completely alone with their mental state continually reducing and once towards their lowest point they were made redundant with no regards to peoples mental health at all. It is UAE law that any company reducing salary is to offer voluntary redundancy or we are to accept the change via a new contract, we were just given an email. At least Q will pay it back, Ek have given the bare minimum and di it in such a poor distasteful fashion. Why didn't they offer voluntary redundancy to at least save some off the people that want to remain, I know many that would have accepted this. Can't wait to pack up and go back to civilisation.
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 11:55
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 14:03
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Originally Posted by NOFLY7773
Ek is not following UAE law,

EK has never followed UAE Company Law because as a Government entity it is not covered by UAE Company Law. For example - company Law states that when temperatures reach 50c all outside work must stop - obviously it would not be acceptable to cease all operations at DXB so by being a semi-official body EK/DNATA are not covered and normal operations can continue.
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 14:50
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Originally Posted by krismiler
Some sources (The Telegraph, for instance) say 7,000 CC were sacked but on that video it says 700. Actually, how many CC colleagues were affected?

Thanks.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 00:11
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The video appears to have been made just prior to the latest round of terminations as at the 14 minute mark it talks of a rumour of 600 pilots being called in. However it illustrates the criteria used to select crews, how the crews were dealt with and the issues facing those remaining in Dubai. Some reports say 700 cabin crew but I think this is a typo as an A380 would have about 20 cabin crew and a B777 would have about 15 so ratio wise 7000 cabin crew to 600 pilots seems about right.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 04:46
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Can someone elighten me as to why Unpaid leave is such a implausible option at EK? I would happily go for a year, Zero pay, and if there is enough of us, save a number of redundancies.
I know everyone is looking after themselves these days, but if there was any way to show (Bryan?) that we are a good number, might be possible to pass it on to whoever can actually push it through?
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