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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 11th Jun 2020, 02:22
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I second that ! Too many good friends have just had their lives ruined !
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 04:29
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Originally Posted by fliion
Emirates pilots.
Never forget who or what we are, and were.
Our common bond and spirit;
camaraderie and professionalism;
commitment to safety;
acceptance of diversity
For the vast majority of us - we honored our profession.
Through the skies on those dark weary nights - we laughed and joked, scowled and debated.
We shared wine and flavor across the globe.
Above all we cared for those who we were entrusted with - our passengers.
And as the years of service turned to decades, we hoped:
To quote Auliq:
“Respect is earned. Honesty is appreciated. Trust is gained. Loyalty is returned.”
Twas not to be.
Sorry but camaraderie went out with the demise of the TBF and CBC, just as planned. "Who or what we are"? A bunch of pilots who showed up for a quicker command and better money.

Prejudiced against each other because of nothing more than nationality (have a look back through some of your own posts). You know what I mean. I'd characterise today's group as disparate, self-serving, self-entitled.
Attitude.

There was no respect for seniority by fellow pilots, why should the company respect it. Professionalism – by whose standard? The drop in professionalism over the last two decades matches the fever with which they shook trees in less and less desirable environments and brought back the proceeds to fill the ranks.

Nothing wrong with positive sentiment but let’s keep it real, there’s enough re-writing of history going on in the world right now. Good luck.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 04:36
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So true.

I had a different user name but can't seem to get on so I had to create a new "call sign". I have been here 12 plus years. The overall adventure has been a wild experience and we have learned an awful lot. My family has gotten to experience things they never would have, had we not come to Dubai. So, it ends in a little disappointment for us, but we are older and ready to go home and fortunately have a fairly stable home to return to. We feel terrible for the young families that will be uprooted with no good employment prospects and may be going back to a country that is not in good condition.

I would be remiss not to thank a few people who made life fun and interesting along the way.

-a couple FDM's that had the big picture
-many, many CC and Pursers who worked so very hard 24/7 and always provided excellent service up front
-maintenance...I don't know how you do it in the heat 24/7. I always found the engineering staff competent, responsive and always "there" at the push of a button
-ramp workers...like maintenance I don't see how you do the job 24/7 in the heat for too many hours a week at so little pay...you are admirable
-medical staff at EK...often maligned but I found the staff to be supportive and available. Until last year I didn't interact with them much, but had a big issue that eventually got cleared and I appreciate the help they provided. My wife has had several medical issues and those have been sorted and we are appreciative for the benefits provided and found the health care and facilities throughout Dubai to be excellent.
- I found the current and former 777 Chief Pilots to be quite supportive given their job description. CP can never win. Senior Management above him gives pressure and he can never make all the line guys and girls happy..lose lose, some just below CP ..TBD, but trying to be positive.
-Training again much maligned, but things have gotten a whole lot better over the past 12 or 13 years...believe it or not, I have learned much from the experience
- 777 Fleet PP and FJ... thanks

Lastly..fellow Aviators. What I learned flying here for over a decade is beyond anything I could have ever read about or studied in books. Talking to you about your varied countries and life at home was an education that could not ever be duplicated, in any way, without coming to Dubai. Thanks for getting me through my Sim training, line training, line checks, all night turn arounds, PURPA crossings at 0400 and 16 hour flights over the North Pole. You kept me on the straight and narrow and I greatly appreciate that guidance. As a group you will forever be remembered and as I age, I will only remember the good times and that is how it should be.

Again, we are terribly heartbroken over what has happened to so many young families here, not just in the pilot community but all throughout the EK group. We have learned a great lesson here watching what others have to endure to support their families and we count ourselves to be very fortunate.

For those staying in Dubai, good luck. Times will be trying in the future but Dubai always seems to bounce back. Stay positive, enjoy the journey, take care of your buddies and fly safe.

Toga!

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Old 11th Jun 2020, 05:57
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The Bigger they're the mightier they fall

Couldn't have put it any better. These tragic decisions and follow up terminations is across the board worldwide. EK isn't immune, although people working there think and thought they were. One word, arrogance.
​​​​​​Don't get me wrong or start screaming and shouting, this was coming from way back in March, but the EK uniform, as you found out, isn't made of Teflon. Why is it now a shock??
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 10:33
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well there had been quite a few bundles of dirhams being injected by the government to protect the business and jobs according to the local news papers a la Khaleejs and gulf news
and apparently there was nothing left for the front end workforce
but what do I care I am just one out of a tousend
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 12:44
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It stuck in my mind at the time because I couldn’t quite believe it when the President of Emirates (STC) said that the EK brand was large enough now to withstand two hull losses (This was before the 521 crash).

With little communication from senior management and no communication from “The EK Executive Team” to Cabin Crew or Pilots, apart from all the interviews given to the media, I wonder how many suicides they can think they can withstand before it affects the brand.

My thoughts go out to all my colleagues and their family's, struggling through this crisis.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 12:47
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ENJJPT38

Thank you.

From all of us.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 13:02
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Originally Posted by pjszms
Rumour has it that one Pilot has attempted suicide and two cabin crew have committed suicide that is why meetings have been cancelled
Apparently it is fake news....
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 13:34
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Originally Posted by firegrass
Thank you.

From all of us.
nicely put 😂
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 14:41
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I wonder how many suicides they can think they can withstand before it affects the brand
Well, they didn't appear to give to sh!ts when images of a dead CC were splashed all over the world, why would they care about the ones that are unseen? Harsh but it's indisputable. They still never publicly acknowledged her by name nor gave a transparent investigation or even outcome as to what really happened.

The way Crew have been betrayed & treated is utterly inexcusable.
Wait, you mean you thought in the end the crew would be seen any differently than the poor labourers who are tossed aside at the drop of a hat? As if. Just numbers to them, each and every one of us was and is just a number.... sad.

I'll toss another potential criteria into the ring: 'too many' ASRs/being too 'vocal' about certain things... I have no doubt if I were still there I'd have been given the axe simply for the fact I called them out several times on safety issues that were being ignored/deleted from the SMS and or not forwarded on from submitting them as the GCAA said they had 'never had any reports... so if your record was otherwise good and you're wondering why... think about it.

bet anyone who ever pissed off a pax or staff traveller from the office was also at risk of the letter too....

meanwhile, those who are probably most deserving of ceasing employment will remain, to further uselessly decorate the halls of the 3rd floor and above.

Any word as to how the 'Department of No' fared? Guess they will be very busy, need all the staff I suppose
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 16:11
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It was all over the internet 15 years ago that EK is a s..t airline and that they don't care about their staff and that everyone will get screwed sooner or later, don't shoot the messenger
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 17:50
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I've posted this video some time ago and I post it again. It's about leadership and I think it explain the situation in EK perfectly.
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 06:53
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Awesome, if only Emirates had worked this way, even now the remaining cabin crew and pilots would stand by you and strive to protect their ‘family’. Now its everyone for themselves covering their own backs, and who can blame them. A rudderless ship.

The management will see this as a master stroke, as it is you now have workers afraid to put a foot out of place in fear. Who will operate outside limits of flight times, fly sick, have little experience in comparison with the experience you thew away. The experience to pilot the silent ships safely through the darkest monsoon nights, across the most distant points on earth, whilst passengers slept safely and trusted their expertise. Your sickness rates may well go down but your incident rates will increase, your image as a world class carrier will be lost. The public will look to the other carriers where they feel safe especially for the money they pay.
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 08:05
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Links to the letter received by those affected.

https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2...ade-redundant/
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 10:59
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Wow, what a letter, no thank you for your sevices, not even minimal courtesy. Shameful.
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 12:46
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I'm not sure what do you expect from emirate ?

even in United states big company like apple blackberry ericsson will fire people without even let them have a chance to pack their bags from their office. just accept the facts .everyone should have save money for an year as a backup .
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 13:13
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So is it over, or will the bloodshed continue next week? I think that’s the question on everyone’s mind. Those who remain wont sleep easy (let along operate at peak performance) until they have some certainty.
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 13:58
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of course it’s not over. The target is 1000 cockpit and 7000 cabin crew. They haven’t even completed 15% of the meetings yet. They’re just figuring out a different way of delivering the news. Reports on German sites coming in that 380 won’t be flying at all until March 2021. Slot coordination for FRA/MUC/DUS/HAM is already updated and showing exclusive ops with 777 until 26th October
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 14:00
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Remember when they used to hold meetings and say "You're lucky to have a job here!" Well I guess they can say that now and really mean it.

Originally Posted by givemewings
being too 'vocal' about certain things... I have no doubt if I were still there I'd have been given the axe
I have no doubt either.
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 20:46
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Originally Posted by FlyingCroc
Wow, what a letter, no thank you for your sevices, not even minimal courtesy. Shameful.
I am not defending the tone of the letter, but if you had taken the time to read it all, you would have seen it ended with: "May I take this opportunity to thank you for your service to the Company and wish you well for your future."
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