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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 22nd Dec 2020, 10:39
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 10:51
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Cranfield University like many self regarding academic establishments in the UK can award any useless gongs they like to whoever they like. The fact remains the odious individual they awarded it to had a deliberately adversarial relationship with the flight crew. The mass sackings that ensued may have been economically necessary but were carried out in a brutal and inhuman manner that resonates with the prize winning management style we had become used to. A very well deserved award for (management buzzword alert) ‘stakeholders’ makes no sense on any level unless it is an attempt at irony. I left EK years ago so I have no frustration to vent but I am deeply sorry for all the former colleagues that have been affected.
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 08:36
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I like the fact that you pretend to care about us lot who lost our jobs but the sad fact is YOU don’t. I believe there is a term for you lot - the post crisis 30 sec fame wannabes. You got your 30 sec of fame (pretending to care) in a rumor network (thinking that everything is about EK), move along now, move along!
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 09:23
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Unlimited: all I will say to you is that you couldn’t be more wrong. I have friends who lost their jobs @ EK who I have every sympathy for. In classic internet fashion you have misunderstood my original post. There is no fame attached to posting on pprune,

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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 15:24
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I concur with Olster .
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 16:52
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Merry Christmas everyone. No harm done! Merry Christmas
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 17:04
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Same to you.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 12:29
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Is it true? Are the great unwashed (a380) going to be called back to duty this summer? Unlikely to be that fast but things are looking up.

Whilst we can argue about the timing, the global vaccination programme has been an unquestionable success. It puts all the doomsday scenarios back under the bed.

Back in April/May - the Airlines simply had no idea if it would take years to discover a working vaccine, if ever, and were forced to make deep cuts to protect the business. Now, that's all changed; There is some certainty coming to ops and with it plans can be put in motion.

At last count, almost 10 billion doses are being produced next year; A figure that's only rising. That's enough to get the worlds frequent flyers, and everyone vulnerable vaccinated. With access to multiple types of vaccines, the chances of long term protection increase. The Oxford vaccine is cheap and can be stored at room temperature for weeks, enabling wide distribution.

Still, I can imagine many cautious states maintaining border closure until Q4 2021. But with growing criticism, welfare and frustration - Governments will surely have to lift restrictions or face pitchforks.

In UAE, already two different vaccines have had initial roll outs. That'll soon enough be a good chunk of EK's local/expat traffic eligible, and it paves the way to further travel corridors, and becoming a safe haven for tourists. The UK corridor, for example, was a huge success.

In any case

The word is, front-line staff are coming back sooner or later. Lot's of unpaid leave pilots have already been rostered training to get back to line. The question is, how many of the discarded will come back?

The answer: Most.

But the ME3 have a looming Captain squeeze.
  • Those with large enough PF to retire early are Captains.
  • The ones too old or sick to come back are Captains.
  • Those with contracting opportunities elsewhere are Captains.
  • Those going into TRE or management ground jobs are Captains.
  • Those with kids in important later school years are Captains.
The FOs working as amazon delivery drivers? Yeah they'll all be back in a flash.

The balance will be something like 95% of FOs : 75% of Captains will come back. With Captains already in shorter numbers, it's bums on CM1 seats that I predict to limit the number of a380s able to fly again.

And the sheer volume of rejoiners needing to be retrained to line will likely prohibit any command upgrade courses for a couple years.

The longer they wait to invite people back, or at least get them in the system - the higher the number taking opportunities/careers change/retirement/settling elsewhere. And the numbers needing a longer TTC, type rating, or command course will increase. Not a good place to be in.

This process must be complete within 18 months so they can get a semblance of normality and spare capacity to be able to train newcomers or new Captains.

Majority of leavers have license and medical expiry in July-October. That will be worth keeping on top of for Flight Ops, far more than trying to perfectly time the industry pick up. Don't be surprised if your 'interview' sim, is also your revalidation.

The vaccine will be here. Borders will open. Quarantines/Masks will ease. People will be flying. And the ME3 will need pilots.

Merry Xmas

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Old 24th Dec 2020, 12:41
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Don't forget about those who will have realised by now that dignity doesn't have a price.

Those won't come back either.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 15:11
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As much as I would like to see my mates get back flying , I wouldn't hold my breath . Vaccine is one thing but economic recovery ( disposal income) might be slow . Have a look at Phuket , some reports is it may never bouch back ! You have to remember the the ME3 are hub and spoke . They need volume . 85-90% transit. The world does not want to visit Dubai!
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 15:39
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XULU, I like your optimism but I think the recovery will take far longer, a few years at least in oder to get the same pax numbers. I don't think any significant recruitment will happen for the next 4-5 years.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 18:09
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Nah.

The market did not crash, debt and mortgages propped up by government handouts, some sectors infact boomed during covid.

Most kept their jobs, and after hibernating are now sat on more disposable cash than ever before.

US and EU prepping further stimulus packages.

Profits will take time to return, but capacity will bounce back, working alongside hotels and tourism hotspots to offer hugely attractive deals.

External recruitment is another thing.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 19:37
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Wishful thinking... Anyway, your optimism is quite remarkable!
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Old 25th Dec 2020, 01:53
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Hail Xulu optimism
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Old 25th Dec 2020, 03:45
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Originally Posted by fatbus
Have a look at Phuket , some reports is it may never bouch back !
You must stop reading the Daily Mail Everything will eventually come back. It will just take time but overall I agree with Xulu's assessment! 380 CM1s are going to be doing a lot of overtime this summer!
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Old 25th Dec 2020, 04:14
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Daily Mail ? Never heard of it !
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Old 25th Dec 2020, 05:45
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Let’s not forget it’s not just the 380 guys out in the cold. There are many 777 pilots that were also let go and in need of jobs.....
Merry Christmas all.....
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Old 25th Dec 2020, 05:48
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Phuket and Pattaya will bounce back even after a nuclear winter. Give them a year max after restrictions are lifted.
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Old 25th Dec 2020, 13:54
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since Dubai was removed from the U.K. government quarantine list BA have been flying 3 times a day. All with load factors in the mid to high 90s.
Absolutely ckokka.
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Old 26th Dec 2020, 14:50
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BA have been savvy enough to price themselves cheaper than EK most of the time and sometimes markedly so. I flew with them to DXB prior to the quarantine period being lifted and even then the flight was busy. I heard a few other pax chat amongst themselves and comment on how much more expensive EK was.

It goes to show that COVID-19 travel insurance and free stays at the Marriott Marquis from EK are nothing more than good sound bites. Price at the moment really is king.
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