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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 9th Jun 2020, 17:35
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It’s been kept a lot quieter, but across the road at the LCC an untold number of FD and CC also got emails to come for tea and biscuits...
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 17:44
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Does EK still have SAA pilots on leave without pay?
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 17:45
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
I think you need to pull your head out of your arse outlaw. Rex never said it wouldn't happen. He said stop posting unsubstantiated emotional BS. And so far he was right. The percentage of pilots let go is half of what was posted. Rex received his letter of redundancy today. He isn't bitching or wallowing in self pity, but rather concerned with how it will all play out for his work mates. Shame you can't do the same.

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Don, please, you are now spreading unsubstantiated rumours yourself! How do you know the numbers and how do you know that today was the last of the layoffs?

My deepest sympathy goes out to everyone who lost their livelihood the last 7 days.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 18:14
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Don, please, you are now spreading unsubstantiated rumours yourself! How do you know the numbers and how do you know that today was the last of the layoffs?

My deepest sympathy goes out to everyone who lost their livelihood the last 7 days.
I do understand that English isn't everyone"s first language. So for you 146, please refer to my reference of the term “so far” After that please refer to the term “pull your head out of your arse”
I do hope that helps.

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Old 9th Jun 2020, 18:30
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Very weak attempt at trying to walk back “The percentage of pilots let go is half of what was posted”!

PS, keep your vulgarity to yourself, nobody is in the mood for that now.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 18:40
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This is terrible news but just to counter one point made previously not every airline is currently laying off staff, just alot of the big boys at the moment. I always dreamed of working for Emirates but when I had children I chose a different path. Over the years I been close to filling out the forms and every time I hear my father's voice in my head: 'You just can't trust them'. I'm glad I listened. Disgraceful behaviour.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 18:43
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The Letter - we've all seen one

No real words of empathy.
No mention of giving millions of passengers a safe comfortable flight for decades.
No thanks for traversing the North Pole, dodging the monsoon and riding the ITCZ at all hours of day or night.

Final words ".. (don't worry)...there's 600 more to come next week" were given cheerfully to a colleague at the end of his meeting.
Source: Spouse WhatsApp group chat.

Let us all hope that was a tasteless attempt at humour and not fact.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 19:19
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Where is that thumbs up thing when you need it.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 19:19
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thank you DCS99 - you encapsulated it brilliantly
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 19:41
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Absolutely disgraceful. Marched in between rows of staff singing “ Good morning/afternoon” Being told that they cant even tell you the reason that you have been picked to be culled. What was once a great airline has become a total disgrace. The majority of pilots appear to have a notable sickness ie an operation within the last 2-3 years. Many many years of good service and exemplary sim checks, line checks and safe flights are treated with this! No emails reference sickness or anything else yet you do this, disgusting.

Shame on you Emirates, is this seriously what you have become ? I am disgusted in you and the many ways I am no longer deamed to be of use to you....you are a disgrace! You give three months salary after three months of 50% even Qatar did better than this

Anyone in the future who looks to join this travesty then please think twice, no thrice and move on. It is a total disgrace. Seniority?? Please.......

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Old 9th Jun 2020, 19:44
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Oh and lets not forget the 22hr + turn around duty days that the limitations now deam legal. No matter the time of day they start. A total disgrace.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 20:14
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Gents, just a quick reminder : although you are in the UAE, you still have Labour Law. If you organise yourselves, you can get class action and renumeration.

Also you can individually sue your manager if you find that he or she does not follow the UAE rules. Forget about the emotional side though.

Might be worthwhile.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 20:30
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Originally Posted by felixthecat
Absolutely disgraceful. Marched in between rows of staff singing “ Good morning/afternoon” Being told that they cant even tell you the reason that you have been culled. What was once a great airline has become a total disgrace. The majority of pilots appear to have a notable sickness ie an operation within the last 2-3 years. Many many years of good service and exemplary sim checks, line checks and safe flights are treated with this! No emails reference sickness or anything else yet you do this, disgusting.

Shame on you Emirates, is this seriously what you have become ? I am disgusted in you and the many ways I am no longer deamed to be of use to you....you are a disgrace! You give three months salary after three months of 50% even Qatar did better than this

Anyone in the future who looks to join this travesty then please think twice, no thrice and move on. It is a total disgrace. Seniority?? Please.......
This is just disgusting and sad”
Qatar is following the same track unfortunately..
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 23:21
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From behind the Telegraph pay wall if anyone is having difficulty.

Emirates is making thousands of staff redundant as the world's biggest longhaul airline contends with the decimation of international air travel.

Pilots and cabin crew are being taken in to meeting rooms in groups and told that they have been made redundant, according to company insiders.

As many as 600 pilots and nearly 7,000 cabin crew could have lost their jobs by the end of Tuesday, sources told The Telegraph.

The state-owned airline has been grounded since March after the pandemic forced countries to close their borders and halt air travel.

Dubai, where Emirates is headquartered, has built a reputation as an international hub for transit passengers travelling between Asia, Europe and Africa.

Staff were told on Monday night that they must attend meetings on Tuesday.

Queues formed around the airline's training building as pilots and crew were informed, people present said.

About 400 pilots being let go are from the airline's Airbus A380 fleet, while a further 200 Boeing 777 pilots are being cut, it is understood. A further 300 pilots will be cut, one source added.

It was not clear if any could be rehired when demand for air travel recovers.

An Emirates spokesperson said: “Given the significant impact that the pandemic has had on our business, we simply cannot sustain excess resources and have to right-size our workforce in line with our reduced operations.

"After reviewing all scenarios and options, we deeply regret that we have to let some of our people go. This was a very difficult decision and not one that we took lightly."

A termination letter seen by Bloomberg stated that the worker would be paid their basic salary and fixed allowances until September 13.

Airlines have suffered a near-60pc reduction in capacity, hammering revenues and forcing companies to employ strict cost-cutting measures.

In late April British Airways said it would cut up to 12,000 jobs after plunging to its biggest quarterly loss.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 00:51
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Glad I left this lot 4 years ago, firing people out of seniority, how low can you go
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 01:40
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Originally Posted by GoreTex
Glad I left this lot 4 years ago, firing people out of seniority, how low can you go
Why would EK do anything with that is based on logic? They don't honour the senority list when hiring DECs why should they honour it now?
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 03:03
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Wait until september

I am pretty sure all of them who survive these days you won’t see the 100% ever again
as there have made loads of pilots being made redundant disregarding all means seniority and aperently double paying the no punishment culture
it seems to be obvious that characters like AAR abusing the covid situation to make a big and for employees costly contract clean up
as per the company most of the airplanes should fly latest in September which is sustainable with the current numbers of redundancies
i very convinced in saying that they will hire soon again but with a completely different package more following the EY model where there is no provident fund topped with minimum medical (like cabin crew) plus the live out allowance will be cut to your current payments until your mortgage is paid of- no more gain from the allowance outside of its need.
eventually they will also cut school allowance and as for the remaining contract you will get an option for a new contract and I you don’t like it leave

the deterioration of the contracts value was already obvious over the past years and now rather having an open word with the employees to over come the crises together they take the advantage of cleaning up their mess of incompetence in leadership while letting the workforce, which has provided them with the wealth they generated
a disgrace and a shameful behavior of a company and country which hypocriticaly blasting 24/7 into world how much better they are how important the well being of Dubai’s residents is and how much they take care of those who work in this country
in most of the civilized world aids and contributions by the state have been used to secure and rescue jobs - not so in Dubai, here all the money which runs as multi 100b AED cheque is abuse to fill the pockets of those in charge
and all together the poorest and most disgraceful step off the leaders in this company the chairman STC and AAR not having the integrity to speak openly speak about what’s going on - rather than allowing the middle fearing management to secure their positions by punishing a excellent hard working engaged and encouraged work force

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Old 10th Jun 2020, 03:14
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Originally Posted by GoreTex
Glad I left this lot 4 years ago, firing people out of seniority, how low can you go
many rumors say that sick days and perfmance is the first to go
well that does not seem to be entirely correct as the man with the biggest performance issues got promoted upwards and I am very sure you not gonna see him on those meetings to fire himself
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 04:06
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Unfortunately, with the number of pilots employed and the number being let go, the human touch probably wasn't possible. Reviewing the files of around 4000 flight crew, even if only 10 minutes was spent on each one would take around 660 hours or 16 weeks at 8 hours per day. Obviously this would be reduced if more people were involved, but you would want to have relatively senior people making the assesssments.

Having the IT department write up a short program to trawl through the records and fish up specific markers such as warning letters or excessive sick leave was likely to have been the quickest option.

Once a company gets above a certain size, putting faces to names becomes impossible and you are just a number. In a much smaller company, the Chief Pilot might know each of his crew personally and have his own chop list based on individual performance and merits.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 04:35
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How many pilots have been sacked by arrogant trainers over bs where the training department had not give the slightest support nor fleet wanted to reveal the truth - all these people are marked with performance issues because nobody is willing to spent the time to go throu those reports and support or at least making up a correct and on facts based deceision as it is asked of every single pilot every day
and those people are now conveniently enough are marked for redundancy

„we have made that deceision very carefully“
this had been said to the press not to employees to the media
so you are saying a computer Programm is a careful decision- well to write proper program on that scale at least 2 weeks including a thorough testing and reviewing the output to its correctness
despite the fact how long IT needs to change a failing software (EPT, portal login) to toward reasonable working

which leads to 2 conclusions
fast shooting with no asking
or
it had been prepared for weeks now and there was never an intention of protecting jobs which leads to only one final conclusion that all of that is intended to invent a massive scale down in enumeration to make that leadership proud to announce 32nd year of profits - no matter of how many lives go broke know
well done

i really you are safe in your job but defending a screwed up system like the EK one can very easy bit you one day and I think you will not write a such defending comment than when it hits yourself

stay safe and all the best to you

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