Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Middle East
Reload this Page >

EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Middle East Many expats still flying in Knoteetingham. Regional issues can be discussed here.

EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 22nd Jun 2020, 16:05
  #321 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Rockytop, Tennessee, USA
Posts: 5,899
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
And some of the folks here who were EK captains took entry level jobs at U.S. carriers in recent years. Many of them will hit the streets on October 1.

But, unlike their EK colleagues who were let go, they will be recalled in order of seniority before other folks are hired when (and if) things pick back up.
Airbubba is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2020, 18:25
  #322 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Rockytop, Tennessee, USA
Posts: 5,899
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Questionable timing?

A former EK flight attendant tries to dox an obnoxious passenger on her YouTube video blog:

https://onemileatatime.com/emirates-...ing-passenger/
Airbubba is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2020, 01:27
  #323 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Emirates Living - The Meadows
Age: 79
Posts: 405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Angel Bravery vs Stupidity!

A little confused as to what it is that she is complaining about? It appears that one of her muckers got canned for using her mobile phone on the flight. Errrm good!

So what is the probem! This ridiculous obsesion that the cabin crew and some of the pilots (granted mostly the young ones) seem to have with their phones is unhealthy and dangerous. It really isn't that hard when you get on the crew bus turn it off. When you get back on the crew bus and are landside out of view of pax then by all means fill your boots.

Anything else can wait. I have had FOs turning on their phones as we taxy off the runway!

I mean I know that something really exciting may have happend on snaptok, tikchat, facitter, twitbook or even pprune in the hours since V1 but if it has waited hours it can wait a few more mins until you are siting in a poloshirt on the loo in The Westin.

As for getting the passengers name from god knows where and then posting it on youtube and asking for it to be used against him! Hmmm methinks that she would be lucky to not get sued by the very guy she is complaining about.

This is all threadcreep however but thank you for the amusing interlude from people having their lives destroyed unsurprisingly by a system that has been doing the same to indiividuals for almost 30 years now. Lets be honest no one surely can be surprised that EK are acting in such a manner? I don't mean that the cuts are happening, that goes without saying but the fact that they are doing in such a fashion? Because if you are surprised then you havent followed the individual campaigns of lives being destroyed that people have been telling on prune since pontius was a pilot. It will interesting what will happen when the banks figure out the larger problem at hand and there are more cars parked at the airport then there are parked at the stadium during the 7s.
Vortex Thing is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2020, 09:44
  #324 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Prague
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Itís a shame there is have the pilots who do wrong the system. I been told that management pilots who have office days on public holidays. Those who check one who fails in the sim and his deputy who has office days on during public holidays when he is holiday in a mountainous chocolate country in Europe. And they let hard working pilots go.
Urquell is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2020, 12:32
  #325 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 238
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Urquell

What on earth are you trying to say? Your comments are incomprehensible .....................
gehenna is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2020, 12:40
  #326 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: UK
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
.... And you are forgetting the vindictive management one (s) who cannot fly out of a wet paper bag, forget where they came from, but puts a suit on feeling utterly more important than their colleagues and then chastise guys for minor insignificant rubbish just to make him/them feel important (not)! The only C/pilots I have ever worked with that makes it a point to ensure you know how large their egos are and that your welfare is their mission to destroy! Shameful!
GH66 is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2020, 14:37
  #327 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 3,250
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 9 Posts
'bubba,

I'd suspect there's now a large flood of highly qualified pilots from the ME and Asia headed to any available jobs in the USA. UPS and FedEx were hard enough to get back during the pilot shortage. Now it's likely near impossible. The ante for the game has been elevated.
bafanguy is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2020, 15:49
  #328 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: uae
Posts: 2,777
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Ref: EK management, lets hope for some karma! Most of them have absolutely no business being there. Small man syndrome comes to mind .
fatbus is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2020, 09:59
  #329 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Doctor's waiting room
Posts: 765
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The unpredictable and clandestine behaviour of the company will do Dubai no favours in the years ahead. Those left here will think twice before investing or even spending larger sums that used to be spent, with little consideration being given.

On the topic about the precarious nature of LIFO if you join a new company, at least you are only vulnerable once when you are at the bottom of the seniority list with LIFO used for redundancy. However, everyone shares the same vulnerability at EK!!!
Emma Royds is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2020, 10:04
  #330 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Sydney
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 1 Post
Things will pick up again in aviation, things will pick up again in the Middle East. When they do, the people who were betrayed by Emirates & those who got to keep their jobs will not forget how people were treated. The lives ruined, the families thrown out like garbage, the trust obliterated, careers in the toilet, the pain, the cost, the worry, depression, divorce, suicide.....the toll it took and how long it took to recover. Emirates will be rewarded for their greed, selfishness & heartbreaking destruction with a flight crew that hate working there and the new joiners who are so shit, they can't get a gig anywhere else.
Best of luck Emirates, I hope your best people leave when thing pick up & you go broke.
Busbitch is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2020, 11:02
  #331 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: xxx
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Wish them the worst.

Nailed it and these clowns don’t even have the decency to contact the people they have made redundant. Two weeks on and not a word. Meanwhile the rumours are rife and the ones that are left are more worried than ever. Such bad management and it is only going to get worse for the people left behind as they struggle to keep there head above water. I’m so glad I got redundancy and know of people that have asked for and got it too.
NOFLY7773 is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2020, 12:53
  #332 (permalink)  
short flights long nights
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 3,788
Received 49 Likes on 19 Posts
Most of Ekís markets seem to have increasing cases of the virus. Australia and NZ are closed UFN. In Australia the Government is now talking of keeping the borders shut to at least March 2021.. or perhaps even until there is a vaccine.

I canít seeing this ending well.
SOPS is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2020, 13:05
  #333 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Home
Posts: 60
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 11 Posts
Originally Posted by Busbitch
Emirates will be rewarded for their greed, selfishness & heartbreaking destruction with a flight crew that hate working there and the new joiners who are so shit, they can't get a gig anywhere else.
Hang on, you just perfectly summed up the last ten years.

That might happen again but they don't and still won't care as long as the jets are flying. Never have, never will. The people who learn this and smile and take their money each month, send it home and eventually leave are the ones who are happy. The ones who can't figure this out bitch and moan and remain miserable. Never fear, this turd will be picked up, re-shaped and polished and will shine again just as soon as the markets open up again.
FatPilot is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2020, 15:13
  #334 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: uae
Posts: 2,777
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Still no comment from fleet , gag order , from the highest level. A true indication of how you are not valued . EK may never recover from this. Soon dominated by 3rd world employees making it a 3 Rd world airline ( maybe the case already) . 1st world expats that made the airline what it was have either been tossed out like garbage or treated with total lack of respect . Why will anyone that remains do anything other than the minimum. 2 buckets and the second is full for most . The good old days are gone forever , bloody depressing place now !
fatbus is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2020, 18:44
  #335 (permalink)  
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Hilton, Sheraton or Marriott
Posts: 1,817
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
You misunderstand flankerpilot - nowhere did Fatbus raise a racist issue - sure, he mentioned 3rd world and 1st world but that ainít racist and certainly, in my reading, in no manner implies white/black/yellow/brown.

Your reaction is in itself racist; it certainly raises significant racial issues.

Your report to the administrators has been considered and found to have no merit.

Take a long hard look in the mirror and consider whether you yourself are not a racist Sir.

4HolerPoler is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2020, 19:28
  #336 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Not at EK :)
Posts: 526
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Flankerpilot. Give over. Fatty is many things. A racist he certainly aint.
777boyindubai is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2020, 20:18
  #337 (permalink)  
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Hilton, Sheraton or Marriott
Posts: 1,817
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Move on please folk; a small difference of opinion resolved in a very professional manner.

These are tough timelines; please avoid crossing swords if at all possible and preferably resolve the matter by Private Message rather than duking it out on the forum.

Be safe out there.
4HolerPoler is offline  
Old 25th Jun 2020, 00:29
  #338 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Asia
Posts: 1,439
Received 8 Likes on 6 Posts
Memories are short, particularly if someone was not directly affected, and it's going to be an employers market for many years to come. There will be plenty of high quality applicants looking for jobs, and whilst EK won't be top of their list, they will definitely work their way down to it if the preferred employers are unavailable. The Middle East may not be a place that pilots aspire to work, but bills have to be paid and many peoples retirement funds have taken a knock and need replenishing.

Big shiny jet syndrome and a adequate remuneration package will likely allow minimum joining requirements of 500 hours A320/B737 time once recruitment starts again.
krismiler is offline  
Old 25th Jun 2020, 03:26
  #339 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Stuttgart
Posts: 244
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
well a 500 hour 320/737 Or commercial turbo prop guy is better than a piper flight school guy.
but they will shut their mouth over the chance in a life time to fly widebodies with a quick command.
and will except everything
EK plays a very dirty game here
excellent, dedicated people have been shown the door in the most disgusting and disgraceful way possible to imagine - and the management keeps quite - even better STC announces proudly „they all will come back, as they can’t do anywhere“
Dubai is an extremely racist place when it comes to expats, and a lot open minded people became racist under these condition.
Locals believe that they are superior and born to lead - goats maybe - but definitiv no contry
dubai is a big bubble of lies and companies like EK are abusing this cover to make it even harder for expats for their own greed
who believes that the current enumeration package for those are still here will return, well I wish you good luck.
for the new joiners, or possible reapplication guy read careful what the next package will be, it will be minimum and there will no step increases, health care is mostly up to yourself and the provident fund his history as all other goodies people received 10-15 years ago
its the local leadership who had said it very proudly - EMIRATISATION - This will not only be the management this will be the flight deck and cabin crew as well
if you look to your right he can screw your live but won’t endanger himself as all these people good or bad will be untouchable if making mistakes as locals don’t make mistakes and always have an excuse and protection
locals can and will continue to break the rules established by their own leader and will get away with it. A country which can’t even follow their own traffic rules and insist to be allowed to endanger others for their own gain - a mind blowing arrogant society.
dubai is a 3rd world country hidden behind high tec and money but the mindset is 3rd world country.

History in flight ops has shown that what ever they do will be covered by excuses and thrown under the carpet
this is a country where protecting your own ass became the most vital thing to do over the day and any lie or abuse of power is just good enough to achieve the daily goal of survival
remeber if you haven’t been trapped in the abuse of power due to a trainer who tried to screw you just because he could with no explanation you got a 3 or even a fail for utter BS where nobody wanted to Hear the truth and questioned the training body.
the so called excellent management consists of yes sayers towards the superior manager
EK became a machinery which only reacts and never touches an underlying problem as it mostly involves locals at the tip of the ice berg who gets only promoted upwards as local rules state that a local cannot be demoted to worse Salary or even loose his job over his wrong doing. The worst thing what can happen is being moved sideways up.
it demonstrates the true leadership from the very top to the bottom as the best in the world need every single country work power, expertise, and inspiration in the world to be what they are, except peal fishers, goat herders and camel riders
And yes call me naiv that I believed that expat management will do better than Arab show of - yes I was wrong and I regret my decision to join them more than a decade ago. I have asked myself often enough how these people sleep, and well I know because they are bad people.

I still hope for karma that these people get a payday for what they have destroyed in the last 3 weeks.

Last edited by WB1900; 25th Jun 2020 at 03:56.
WB1900 is offline  
Old 25th Jun 2020, 04:19
  #340 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: earth
Posts: 1,098
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Come on guys, get a grip! Focus and save your energy on your way forward. Nobody is listening to our rants, few people sympathize with pilots (envy?) and with EK pilots especially (former envy again?).

The layoffs are happening, everywhere. No rant or protest will help, the economy dictates as it dictated the opportunity to get all those jobs. Thatís the way it works.

There are different approaches to handle this reality, we all agree. But the jobs would be lost both ways and we all knew how some regions handle such situations. We also knew it would not only apply to the poor low cost workers.

Refocus on your future, because we know how the miserable ME approach turns out. Take a look at GulfAir and take a hard look at PIA. Thatís where Emiratisation is heading and you donít want to be here no more in the very close future anyway.
glofish is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.