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Got the rejection e-mail.....Will have to wait for next scheme.
I am sure they didn't have time to review all applications. I have worked on a graduate selection team, once you have enough 'good' candidates for screening. They simply reject the rest.
In the case of CTC,I am sure along as they provide BA with the right number they couldn't care less, and are now waiting to cash the candidates Cheques.
I am sure they didn't have time to review all applications. I have worked on a graduate selection team, once you have enough 'good' candidates for screening. They simply reject the rest.
In the case of CTC,I am sure along as they provide BA with the right number they couldn't care less, and are now waiting to cash the candidates Cheques.
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I would imagine a lot comes down to the interview - and I am sure this scheme had a very high standard of applicant from the outset, so I wouldn't get too upset. easyJet and Monarch have MPL courses on the horizon so at least there are other options.
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When you say you did not make it to the intervew stage, does that mean you got a negative response from you're application?
I ask this because I sent my application to OAA and prior the intervew you had to pass the aptitude test (which is where I failed) and if the sequence was the same for all FTO's, missing out on the intervew means you too failed the aptitude test, having been previously accepted to attend it.
Having said that, I appreciate your back ground, as I am too a flight attendant and just started my ppl course, and obviously had to get to grips with missing out on the intervew stage.
But what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I speak to the pilots every day, what they all tell me is that if your passion is genuine, all you have to do is hang in there and not give up.
Easy for them to say I know, especially given modern times, but we would all be fools to believe that the momentarily stall that the buisness is going through is never ending.
I work for the major italian airline, and I know for a fact that in 5-10 years time, the need for pilots will be impressive.
If it may be of any hepl, all I can say is if i were you, I would give it another year, see if you have more luck next time, save some money and if all turns to the worst, hey you allready have 150 hours under your belt, start a distance learning course for the theory, ask your pilots what you don't understand, upgrade your licences and give it a shot, maybe for your own company. Ryan is a happy isleand for pilots, at least so i'm told, surely you know better.
And it is not uncommon for pilots to start of as cabin crew, so much better for a mutual understanding when on the job!
When you say you did not make it to the intervew stage, does that mean you got a negative response from you're application?
I ask this because I sent my application to OAA and prior the intervew you had to pass the aptitude test (which is where I failed) and if the sequence was the same for all FTO's, missing out on the intervew means you too failed the aptitude test, having been previously accepted to attend it.
Having said that, I appreciate your back ground, as I am too a flight attendant and just started my ppl course, and obviously had to get to grips with missing out on the intervew stage.
But what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I speak to the pilots every day, what they all tell me is that if your passion is genuine, all you have to do is hang in there and not give up.
Easy for them to say I know, especially given modern times, but we would all be fools to believe that the momentarily stall that the buisness is going through is never ending.
I work for the major italian airline, and I know for a fact that in 5-10 years time, the need for pilots will be impressive.
If it may be of any hepl, all I can say is if i were you, I would give it another year, see if you have more luck next time, save some money and if all turns to the worst, hey you allready have 150 hours under your belt, start a distance learning course for the theory, ask your pilots what you don't understand, upgrade your licences and give it a shot, maybe for your own company. Ryan is a happy isleand for pilots, at least so i'm told, surely you know better.
And it is not uncommon for pilots to start of as cabin crew, so much better for a mutual understanding when on the job!
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I really don't want to think that that's the case (ftos just going through enough applications to make their numbers) but maybe it is. I was being very realistic in my approach to the sponsorship scheme, I know that you would really have to shine to be offered a place but to not even get an interview is a big blow! Better start saving, begging, blagging again!
I would ask them to refund your travel and accomodation expenses as the mistake was made by them.
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Very harsh for them to have got your hopes up to then shoot you back down. Although, if I had been in that situation, I probably would have called to clarify before booking if I hadn't even had a CTC interview and failed their apt test.
I would attempt to claim your travel and accom costs back off them, wouldn't hold your breath though - but if you don't ask...
Very harsh for them to have got your hopes up to then shoot you back down. Although, if I had been in that situation, I probably would have called to clarify before booking if I hadn't even had a CTC interview and failed their apt test.
I would attempt to claim your travel and accom costs back off them, wouldn't hold your breath though - but if you don't ask...
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John - I heard "a lot" at the assesments all had degree's, some had Masters, some PhDs....the problem is that further education is the norm now and although BA stated minimum qualifications as A-level, an overwhelming majority exceeded it. Its not the actual degree they're after, its probably more what the 'University Experience' gives.
It is a shame and im not an advocate of this, but from an emotionally detatched point of view, you'll probably find a few 23 years old with 2 years work experience and a degree under their belt.
On a personal note, it's a shame as you have outstanding A-levels (which goes with the ability to get into almost any University you want) and have very obviously show a lot of passion through your career path so far. I wish you the best of luck for next year, if that's what you intend to do
It is a shame and im not an advocate of this, but from an emotionally detatched point of view, you'll probably find a few 23 years old with 2 years work experience and a degree under their belt.
On a personal note, it's a shame as you have outstanding A-levels (which goes with the ability to get into almost any University you want) and have very obviously show a lot of passion through your career path so far. I wish you the best of luck for next year, if that's what you intend to do
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Im sure there were a load of people with a degree but does that really mitigate against an application enough to warrant not even getting an interview. I started a management course at uni but stopped after the first year to go to the states after being offered the instructors job. At the time it seemed the best way to a flying job, hopefully the lack of a degree won't continue to be a problem..maybe I'll go and do a degree in some inane subject just for the experience. Hey ho!
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JohnTee. I would suspect with that number of hours you and the rest of us like you are not very attractive to a cadet programme. The CTC Wings scheme upon which this is of course based will only credit you 20 hours of time towards the integrated programme. EasyJet's MPL scheme being run by OAA states a maximum time as PUT/P1 as 85 hours.
Perhaps some who have passed selection could confirm if they have more than say 85 or 100 hours and the licenses they hold... then you can decide what route to pursue next...
Perhaps some who have passed selection could confirm if they have more than say 85 or 100 hours and the licenses they hold... then you can decide what route to pursue next...
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Maybe a good call WB, I did get a bit of an ominous feeling when I had to tick the top end of the boxes for number of hours (80+ I think it was..). Same issue with the MPL scheme. I know it gives you more chance to pick up bad habits but with around only 50 hours solo time are the issues really going to be that hard to iron out. It would be great to get some feedback, from the email though I'm guessing any attempt will be pretty futile!
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I'm sure someone will pipe up if they got through with 'high' (say around the hundred mark). The 'bad habits' point has some merit, but anyone who wants to go into the business commerically and not just do burger runs should have been trying to improve their flying towards CPL level post PPL. If you have been instructing, then you probably don't have too many bad habits. You'd also probably be pretty bored until the CPL/ME/IR phase! I'm now planning to go down the modular route and am not holding out much hope of any feedback. The best idea we'll get as to whether our applications were crappy or if the hours was the/part of the issue when we get some high hours people on the course.
Good luck with your future endeavours guys!
Good luck with your future endeavours guys!
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FWIW I got through to the first stage of the assessment at OAA. I ticked the 80+ hours box. I have reasonable A Levels, no degree, and am over 35. I failed the COMPASS assessment, I think on the hand eye section, despite having considerable aerobatic experience etc. I can't help thinking that those years of mis-spent youth Not playing computer games probably went against me. I'm not the only one to have had this situation. Fact is, with 6500 applicants, BA can afford to throw out lots of really good candidates with the not so good, and still have a class of superstars to put through. As for those who didn't get through the paper sift, do you know for sure that your answers to the 'attitude' type multi-choice questions were correct? It's as easy for filters to be applied on these criteria, even if your essays were the best in the land. I have no proof that this might be the case, just putting it forwards for consideration.
Everyone who has tried and failed has the chance to learn something, no matter what stage they lost out at. Even if it's just the realisation that this job really isn't worth the pain, or maybe it is? There's no point on crying over what might have been, or accusations of being unfair, that's just the real world. Saying that, the guy who got the rejection / reprieve / rejection mk2 totally has my sympathy, that sucks. But for most of the applicants, you took a punt and it didn't pay off this time. Go buy your next lottery ticket and don't take it personally if you don't hit the jackpot.
Everyone who has tried and failed has the chance to learn something, no matter what stage they lost out at. Even if it's just the realisation that this job really isn't worth the pain, or maybe it is? There's no point on crying over what might have been, or accusations of being unfair, that's just the real world. Saying that, the guy who got the rejection / reprieve / rejection mk2 totally has my sympathy, that sucks. But for most of the applicants, you took a punt and it didn't pay off this time. Go buy your next lottery ticket and don't take it personally if you don't hit the jackpot.
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hey guys, i also got a rejection today from ctc. I am very interested to find out out their selection criteria and how they picked the candidates considering they said i didnt 'meet their requirements', i have had my application looked at by various friends who are pilots and they have said it was 'very strong' and have said for me to call them and find out why i got rejected. Considering my cv has also got me interviews for roles in stock broking where the starting salary is 3 times that offered by BA. But to be honest i wouldn't fly for the money. it makes no difference. shame really but obviously was not meant to be.
my stats:
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6A* & 4A GCSE
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1st solo on 16th birthday with 35 hours so far
D of E and sports etc...
my stats:
on course for first in physics at one of the top 2 universities in the country
AAAAAA at a level including 3 sciences maths and F maths
6A* & 4A GCSE
member of UAS & ccf at school
1st solo on 16th birthday with 35 hours so far
D of E and sports etc...
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Looking at your age, Swatson, you are quite young. Maybe you had not yet had the chance to build up examples of you demonstrating the core skills in a work / high pressure environment? It might be worth you taking up the offer of a job in the city, do it for a couple years to save up cash, bank some experience, and then fund your flight training. Someone I know did that and she now flys for Lufthansa.