BA Future Pilot Programme (FPP)(Merged)
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Jumpjim, thank you for the positive words, however I'm really unsure how to proceed now, with the possibility of the BMI pilots joining BA, I wonder if the FPP will even run again...
BA has hull expansion occuring now (777-300, 787, A380) and, even if IAG integrated BMI, there is a requirement for a 'spread betting' recruitment of both DEP's and Cadets to cover expansion and retirements.
The integration of BMI, should it happen, would obviously come with the extra airframes that BMI posesses (approx 29 I believe). Slots at Heathrow HAVE to be flown by the owners otherwise the ownership of under utilised slots is recinded. IAG has to keep those slots owned thus flown.
300 BMI pilots do not reduce the necessity for BA to recruit.
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Has anyone been to Cranebank yet and have any comments? (Not trying to gain an unfair advantage, don't worry!)
Also, has anyone got an assessment day in December? Just trying to gauge how many may be left in the process.
Also, has anyone got an assessment day in December? Just trying to gauge how many may be left in the process.
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Reading though this there seems to be a much greater involvement of FTE with the recruitment scheme. Unfortunately I would deduce that FTE are holding back their rejections until BA's process is complete so they can at least give some feedback that 'unsuccessful' applicants can successfully apply to take an integrated course with them.
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OAA Rejections
Sorry to drag the conversation down and back to stage 2 day 2 (or stage 3 for other FTOs). For those rejected, allegedly there is feedback for us. Has anyone received this yet? In what medium is it delivered (Phone/email/letter) and do we have to contact them for it or is it automatically distributed?
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Sounds like the post a couple up could be correct. FTE have, according to this thread, sent out both rejection and progression emails. However the people that were rejected made no mention of any kind of offer from FTE to apply direct to their integrated program.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see but not looking hopeful since the final stage assessments have already begun!
Guess we'll just have to wait and see but not looking hopeful since the final stage assessments have already begun!
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300 BMI pilots do not reduce the necessity for BA to recruit.
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That may be true but a BA/BMI merger would have an impact on pilot positions at BA. BA using a few more Airbus aircraft would require fewer pilots than BA and BMI running the aircraft separately. Plus any influx of type-rated guys from BMI would reduce the need for new pilots on the Airbus fleet which is what FPP is mainly aimed at. This could lead to most cadets getting Gatwick based 737 jobs.
Overall I agree that a merger would not affect FPP recruitment a great deal, the threat of a double-dip recession/Eurozone crisis is a lot greater and could potentially have a much bigger impact.
I know this is a speculative question and I doubt even BA themselves know the answer yet, but if things continue as planned will FPP end in 2016 after BA's 'period of recruitment', or will it continue alongside DEP to cover retirements etc.?
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That may be true but a BA/BMI merger would have an impact on pilot positions at BA. BA using a few more Airbus aircraft would require fewer pilots than BA and BMI running the aircraft separately. Plus any influx of type-rated guys from BMI would reduce the need for new pilots on the Airbus fleet which is what FPP is mainly aimed at. This could lead to most cadets getting Gatwick based 737 jobs.
Overall I agree that a merger would not affect FPP recruitment a great deal, the threat of a double-dip recession/Eurozone crisis is a lot greater and could potentially have a much bigger impact.
I know this is a speculative question and I doubt even BA themselves know the answer yet, but if things continue as planned will FPP end in 2016 after BA's 'period of recruitment', or will it continue alongside DEP to cover retirements etc.?
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@Roger-Wilco. I received 'the' email from Mike Griffith supposedly containing feedback but it doesn't actually contain anything of the sort. It just told me I could apply for the self sponsored FPP bit would need to do the personality profile test but had passed the other stuff and didn't need to do the simulator assessment. Haven't had any feedback regarding WHY I was not taken further.
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Apparently I under-performed in the team discussions. I find this to be utterly bizarre, it was the only part I was sure I did just fine in.
We had 3 discussions, each lasting approximately 5-10 minutes (hardly enough time for everyone to get a word in, way too short in my opinion), and I had 3 people in my group who literally wanted to have the entire discussion among themselves, I made my points short and concise, and tried to get everybody else involved. Apparently you score more points for blabbering on with little context and score nothing for listening, the last thing I wanted to do was interrupt them mid-sentence, so what was I to do? Really heart breaking to find out I was judged on this some what flawed process, very hard to take, and honestly very little to learn, it makes me question the validity of the process to be honest. I would love to know what possessed the assessors to only award me 50% of the points in that, yet I scored extremely highly in the team tasks and interview...Lost for words, I would rather have just received no feedback at all now.
We had 3 discussions, each lasting approximately 5-10 minutes (hardly enough time for everyone to get a word in, way too short in my opinion), and I had 3 people in my group who literally wanted to have the entire discussion among themselves, I made my points short and concise, and tried to get everybody else involved. Apparently you score more points for blabbering on with little context and score nothing for listening, the last thing I wanted to do was interrupt them mid-sentence, so what was I to do? Really heart breaking to find out I was judged on this some what flawed process, very hard to take, and honestly very little to learn, it makes me question the validity of the process to be honest. I would love to know what possessed the assessors to only award me 50% of the points in that, yet I scored extremely highly in the team tasks and interview...Lost for words, I would rather have just received no feedback at all now.
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Just saw my "feedback", I see what you mean SPUK87. How odd you didnt fail anything...perhaps its not just about FAIL/PASS but also being the top % of those that did pass. Either way, my comisserations mate 
High-Higher - 1,000,000% AGREE with you....SPOT ON from my experience too. That said, I apparently didnt fail that... It was as I expected - I was a bit 'special' in the group exercise, which is a shame as I'm normally a massive team player and consider myself to be an extrovert (despite being an introvert on judgment day)!!
Still, atleast it's comforting to know i passed the interview...goes to show I don't have any psycopathic tendencies and managed to hide my flaws rather well.
Just to put a smile back on my face - saw "to fly, to serve" on the big cinema screen a few hours ago...Orange Wednesday
High-Higher - 1,000,000% AGREE with you....SPOT ON from my experience too. That said, I apparently didnt fail that
... It was as I expected - I was a bit 'special' in the group exercise, which is a shame as I'm normally a massive team player and consider myself to be an extrovert (despite being an introvert on judgment day)!!Still, atleast it's comforting to know i passed the interview...goes to show I don't have any psycopathic tendencies and managed to hide my flaws rather well.
Just to put a smile back on my face - saw "to fly, to serve" on the big cinema screen a few hours ago...Orange Wednesday
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That's a shame Roger-Wilco, I guess it's just a case of learning to play the game and nothing more, like you say the fact that I did well in the interview is the most important thing from my point of view. If I do re-apply I'll know to go in with more of a "game plan" for the discussions, perhaps it was the way I came across, perhaps the assessors just didn't like the look of me, but why I so scored so low ONLY on that particular section really baffles me!
Anyway, onward and upward!
Anyway, onward and upward!
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FTE
Just as was predicted a few posts up, I have recieved a rejection from FTE with recommendation to apply for their Integrated course. A bit of a disappointment, but not altogether unexpected 
. I wonder if there are any other scholarships in the pipeline with other airlines?
. I wonder if there are any other scholarships in the pipeline with other airlines?
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I, too, have just received my rejection e-mail from FTE stating I passed the assessments but didn't score high enough for BA. In my personal opinion, FTE spent far less time assessing candidates and, having passed assessments at OAA before, I feel that the FTE aptitude tests were nowhere near as thorough and relevant to a flying career and only took a few hours in comparison to 2 days at OAA.
To those candidates that were also rejected and are now waiting for more schemes to open up, I'd like to reccomend that you look into going modular. The harsh reality is that for about 99% of the people that applied for this course, it was never going to work out and was just a bit of a dream. I made the decision not to go to university so that I could start flight training right away. Maybe that went against me on this occasion but I'm not going to go to university and avoid flying for the next few years in the hope that I can be part of that lucky 1% in future intakes. I'll tell you what I'm going to do.. I'm going to continue working my rear end off and spending all my money on flying, work my way up to a fATPL within the next few years and then continue working my rear end off until I find myself a job (and have enough to pay for the attached type rating!). I may be naive for thinking it will go that smoothly but then anybody who decides to sit around for a year and re-apply again in a years time could be considered even more naive. Knock backs are a part of life, it's how you deal with them that'll determine if you get into that sought after right hand seat in the future.
Good luck to those who were invited to Cranebank!
To those candidates that were also rejected and are now waiting for more schemes to open up, I'd like to reccomend that you look into going modular. The harsh reality is that for about 99% of the people that applied for this course, it was never going to work out and was just a bit of a dream. I made the decision not to go to university so that I could start flight training right away. Maybe that went against me on this occasion but I'm not going to go to university and avoid flying for the next few years in the hope that I can be part of that lucky 1% in future intakes. I'll tell you what I'm going to do.. I'm going to continue working my rear end off and spending all my money on flying, work my way up to a fATPL within the next few years and then continue working my rear end off until I find myself a job (and have enough to pay for the attached type rating!). I may be naive for thinking it will go that smoothly but then anybody who decides to sit around for a year and re-apply again in a years time could be considered even more naive. Knock backs are a part of life, it's how you deal with them that'll determine if you get into that sought after right hand seat in the future.
Good luck to those who were invited to Cranebank!
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I failed to reach the required standard to reach the second assessment day at OAA.
Have to say, I think it's shocking, that when I requested a breakdown of my scores, I was told that OAA don't disclose them. Paying £200 to take the tests, I wouldn't say it's unreasonable to expect this?
Good luck to everyone else who is still involved in the process.
Have to say, I think it's shocking, that when I requested a breakdown of my scores, I was told that OAA don't disclose them. Paying £200 to take the tests, I wouldn't say it's unreasonable to expect this?
Good luck to everyone else who is still involved in the process.
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This is sadly true for certain airlines, however by the end of modular training (fully funded by the student) you would have the financial freedom to spend time looking for a job and maybe building up your hours as an FI or flying regionals. Integrated is a good idea if you have £100k lying around but for anybody else that secures a house to pay for the same license a modular student will receive and then has no financial freedom at the other side so is forced to take a job at an airline that wants them to take out a further £30k to fund a type rating and then will pay them pennies until they pass line training I just think it's beyond crazy. This BA scheme is good because it has the advantages of going integrated at some of the best FTO's in the world and at the same time all but guarantees a job at arguably the best airline to fly for in the UK AND opens it up for the less fortunate candidates who otherwise couldn't go integrated.. there is, however, still a huge risk involved.
Anyway, integrated vs modular is a completely different topic that could be argued until the cows come home. I just thought I'd advise those people who, like me, fell short with this particular scheme to widen their horizons and consider modular if they don't have £100k in their back pockets.
Back on topic..
Anyway, integrated vs modular is a completely different topic that could be argued until the cows come home. I just thought I'd advise those people who, like me, fell short with this particular scheme to widen their horizons and consider modular if they don't have £100k in their back pockets.
Back on topic..