British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Qoute from JT. Maybe not d-d...but as our No1 GCH supporter reinforced at Bedfont today, we are the best cabin crew by far, we are the face of BA, and its our regular flyers which the above vcc will not see much of who appreciate us and want us to be back in the air happ. Its as simple as that.
Juan............your what, best cabin crew?? You are joking!!!! I flew back from Tenerife last week with Thomas Cook. The crew on that flight, probably on half of what you earn, maybe even less. They were just as good as some of the BA cabin crew I have flown with over the past 33 years. But you are right only , SOME of our cabin crew are by far the very, very best you would wish to meet. However there is not enough of them !! As to your previous statement about flights leaving empty would you please provide a list of these flights ... if you can, they are probably freighter flights, I will check them out and respond honestly. I do find your posts highly amusing keep 'em coming
FYI today actual crew ( not including VCC ) turning up for work today, 77% WW 86% Euro 96% LGW Fact not fiction.
Juan............your what, best cabin crew?? You are joking!!!! I flew back from Tenerife last week with Thomas Cook. The crew on that flight, probably on half of what you earn, maybe even less. They were just as good as some of the BA cabin crew I have flown with over the past 33 years. But you are right only , SOME of our cabin crew are by far the very, very best you would wish to meet. However there is not enough of them !! As to your previous statement about flights leaving empty would you please provide a list of these flights ... if you can, they are probably freighter flights, I will check them out and respond honestly. I do find your posts highly amusing keep 'em coming
FYI today actual crew ( not including VCC ) turning up for work today, 77% WW 86% Euro 96% LGW Fact not fiction.
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Flying Chick,
As others have said, how do you know what the atmosphere is like if your on strike? Oh because your friend said so. Well if she had been to work and then decided to strike, she would hardly say that the atmosphere had been brilliant now, would she?
Take it from me, Ive been at work through the strikes and the atmosphere has been noticeably better than usual without the militants.
Why dont you and your ilk do us all a favour and stay away for good?
I have a friend who crossed the picket line made a huge mistake back strike now. horrible atmosphere people getting called out on standby left right and centre nobody turning up for their trips.
Take it from me, Ive been at work through the strikes and the atmosphere has been noticeably better than usual without the militants.
Why dont you and your ilk do us all a favour and stay away for good?
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Its that time of day again.
Someones estimate was a bit off even this no doubt exagerrated guess.
We got a mention too. 90 mins though today.
Someones estimate was a bit off even this no doubt exagerrated guess.
We got a mention too.
90 mins though today.
Hi everyone
Well that was a surprise. The biggest ever, up-to-now turnout at Bedfont by a long way. I canvassed general opinion as to how many actually were there and the figure that most settled on was around 1500. Today I felt more like Harvey Goldsmith than Duncan Holley as the logistics and organisation of hosting what was, in the end, a major event were stretched to the limit, by the sheer mass of strikers and family present. Last night I was worried that the northwest girls would dominate proceedings - but today I didn’t even notice they were there...... Just joking, the ovation their bus got as it pulled in was magnificent - mind you there was a bigger ovation as it pulled out!!!.
And how about the overnight “party bus” from GLA, they texted me as they left late last evening - about half ten - and all night I tossed and turned as all I could dream about was a Scottish exocet missile heading in my direction. In the end, I think the “post early picket, free breakfast sleep” in the field did them all good, as they seemed a bit chirpier in the afternoon. What a sacrifice as tonight they head north in another overnight journey home. Finally while on the subject of long journey picketers - hello to the Devon posse, how I wish I was in Devon tonight.
The “academics”, one of whom had come down especially by train from Edinburgh, were very well received as was comedian Mark Steel who gave up his afternoon to give us his satirical view on our dispute. I think he was really glad he came.
No hard luck stories re commuters tonight - someone did tell me they were having trouble getting to work from the Easter Islands but thankfully they were winding me up. One snapshot of today did resonate, however and that was two little girls who were wearing t-shirts which proclaimed “I am the reason my Mummy is on strike”. Indeed they are! Thanks Mum!
So, one 5-day bloc left starting on Saturday - I keep saying this but again there were many first-timers there today, which is good because it proves the strike is still vibrant and supported as strongly as ever. BA were ringing people up today and offering them £100 and the trip of their choice to come to work - hardly the actions of an airline coping well with the situation.
Soon we will be re-balloting and starting all over again - which will give the trampled plants in the Bedfont flower garden, time to recover and the burger man to take a well earned break on his luxury yacht. Let’s make the last five days something to remember - hopefully we will be able to confirm a “star attraction” for Sunday, so keep the afternoon free. A clue to our guest? “There’s power in a Union” is a line from one of his songs.
Sorry this message is shorter than normal - hello to Ppprune or whatever it is called - I gather some sad person posts this on there 3 minutes after it goes live on our forum. Some people need to get to Bedfont and get a life!
See you Saturday - and a really big thank you to all who came today - I would not have believed it if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes. Rgds Duncan
Well that was a surprise. The biggest ever, up-to-now turnout at Bedfont by a long way. I canvassed general opinion as to how many actually were there and the figure that most settled on was around 1500. Today I felt more like Harvey Goldsmith than Duncan Holley as the logistics and organisation of hosting what was, in the end, a major event were stretched to the limit, by the sheer mass of strikers and family present. Last night I was worried that the northwest girls would dominate proceedings - but today I didn’t even notice they were there...... Just joking, the ovation their bus got as it pulled in was magnificent - mind you there was a bigger ovation as it pulled out!!!.
And how about the overnight “party bus” from GLA, they texted me as they left late last evening - about half ten - and all night I tossed and turned as all I could dream about was a Scottish exocet missile heading in my direction. In the end, I think the “post early picket, free breakfast sleep” in the field did them all good, as they seemed a bit chirpier in the afternoon. What a sacrifice as tonight they head north in another overnight journey home. Finally while on the subject of long journey picketers - hello to the Devon posse, how I wish I was in Devon tonight.
The “academics”, one of whom had come down especially by train from Edinburgh, were very well received as was comedian Mark Steel who gave up his afternoon to give us his satirical view on our dispute. I think he was really glad he came.
No hard luck stories re commuters tonight - someone did tell me they were having trouble getting to work from the Easter Islands but thankfully they were winding me up. One snapshot of today did resonate, however and that was two little girls who were wearing t-shirts which proclaimed “I am the reason my Mummy is on strike”. Indeed they are! Thanks Mum!
So, one 5-day bloc left starting on Saturday - I keep saying this but again there were many first-timers there today, which is good because it proves the strike is still vibrant and supported as strongly as ever. BA were ringing people up today and offering them £100 and the trip of their choice to come to work - hardly the actions of an airline coping well with the situation.
Soon we will be re-balloting and starting all over again - which will give the trampled plants in the Bedfont flower garden, time to recover and the burger man to take a well earned break on his luxury yacht. Let’s make the last five days something to remember - hopefully we will be able to confirm a “star attraction” for Sunday, so keep the afternoon free. A clue to our guest? “There’s power in a Union” is a line from one of his songs.
Sorry this message is shorter than normal - hello to Ppprune or whatever it is called - I gather some sad person posts this on there 3 minutes after it goes live on our forum. Some people need to get to Bedfont and get a life!
See you Saturday - and a really big thank you to all who came today - I would not have believed it if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes. Rgds Duncan
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Carabean boy.
My responce was to a post that has now been removed.
Someone said that contracts were rumoured to be being sent out to give crew 90 days notice to sign or leave.
I was just explaining that it would be an offer like the one Derek Simpson nearly agreed to just before the strikes were called. I feel alot of crew would sign it and the hard liners who did not sign would be replaced with new crew working on the New Fleet.
I have not striked and no longer belong to the union, I was in Amicus anyway, not BASSA, but now I have left.
My responce was to a post that has now been removed.
Someone said that contracts were rumoured to be being sent out to give crew 90 days notice to sign or leave.
I was just explaining that it would be an offer like the one Derek Simpson nearly agreed to just before the strikes were called. I feel alot of crew would sign it and the hard liners who did not sign would be replaced with new crew working on the New Fleet.
I have not striked and no longer belong to the union, I was in Amicus anyway, not BASSA, but now I have left.
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Oh Duncan......
I do enjoy your messages.....
So nobody actually takes note of official numbers attending then - Why?
Oh... so the 1500 includes family members.....
I love this, even Duncan is using quote marks around the word academics! Priceless!
Sorry don't get this - what's the significance?
Ah. This is interesting. What will you be balloting on Duncan?
Why do we need a clue Duncan. You told us last week that Billy Bragg was coming.
Hello Duncan!
the figure that most settled on was around 1500
the sheer mass of strikers and family present
The “academics”
two little girls who were wearing t-shirts which proclaimed “I am the reason my Mummy is on strike”. Indeed they are! Thanks Mum!
Soon we will be re-balloting and starting all over again
A clue to our guest
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JO or WWW . My original post to you doesn't seem to have got thro' the trawl net. However I find your post very amusing. Would you be kind enough to supply a list of flights that left empty from LHR, I will respond with an honest answer. Also if feel BA crew are the best, some are. Fly Thomas Cook they are just as good probably on half the pay of BA rates. Cheers await yor response on MT aircraft flight numbers.
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Counting Difficulties Juan?
Joan O said
"......... you all stood out amongst the estimated 3000 at BFC today. Well done!
I guess you're counting is as accurate as your written submissions. Even DH stated "I canvassed general opinion as to how many actually were there and the figure that most settled on was around 1500" - so you only inflated the figure by 100%
When oh when are you going to answer some of the direct questions that have been posed to you in a simple inquisitive manner by others who are trying to understand how you arrive at your current position.
I am renting a car and driving 280mls to Vegas at my own expense to catch the BA flight from there as my own from PHX is cancelled - just to support the working crew next week.
"......... you all stood out amongst the estimated 3000 at BFC today. Well done!
I guess you're counting is as accurate as your written submissions. Even DH stated "I canvassed general opinion as to how many actually were there and the figure that most settled on was around 1500" - so you only inflated the figure by 100%
When oh when are you going to answer some of the direct questions that have been posed to you in a simple inquisitive manner by others who are trying to understand how you arrive at your current position.
I am renting a car and driving 280mls to Vegas at my own expense to catch the BA flight from there as my own from PHX is cancelled - just to support the working crew next week.
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To a considerable amount of you who keep expecting intelligent, literate and factual replies as to the current ia and a stong well worded reply with facts to back that opinion. You will be waiting a long long time. Your moderators simply do not allow any opinions that differ and that are substantiated to filter through. I posted a very very long factual, articulate and quantifiable response. Quelle surprise. Banned for 3 months. (And no i didn't swear or attack anyone personally or even like many on here use questionable attitudes "despise" anyone?
I simply am an obviously educated individual and i had a well written and damm good reason for why I personally choose to withdraw my labour.
It was simply not allowed through, the reason i chose to draw on historical industrial action in all sections of our airline to draw comparisons, and oh diddums poor little pilots are too sensitive to be mentioned in any way shape or form.
It does worry me that for such supposedly educated people you have not yet figured out that this is why you are simply a bunch of nodding dogs agreeing with each other.
Let's see how long this lasts, shall we?
If any of you would like to hear some truths then do press your moderator to be more tolerant of intellectual yet opposite points of view or would that be too difficult
I simply am an obviously educated individual and i had a well written and damm good reason for why I personally choose to withdraw my labour.
It was simply not allowed through, the reason i chose to draw on historical industrial action in all sections of our airline to draw comparisons, and oh diddums poor little pilots are too sensitive to be mentioned in any way shape or form.
It does worry me that for such supposedly educated people you have not yet figured out that this is why you are simply a bunch of nodding dogs agreeing with each other.
Let's see how long this lasts, shall we?
If any of you would like to hear some truths then do press your moderator to be more tolerant of intellectual yet opposite points of view or would that be too difficult
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If the strike is going as bad as some are suggesting, why have they decided to reduce the minimum crew complement on 767 from 6 t 5 and on 319 from 3 to 2?
BA havent operated any flights at this level of crew anyway. Its all just part of the low level lies from a losing BASSA leadership.
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Miss M. If the strike is going as bad as some are suggesting, why have they decided to reduce the minimum crew complement on 767 from 6 t 5 and on 319 from 3 to 2?
They haven't.......more BASSA C~~p
Today crew turnout WW 72% Euro 86% LGW 96%
They haven't.......more BASSA C~~p
Today crew turnout WW 72% Euro 86% LGW 96%
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I have a friend who crossed the picket line made a huge mistake back strike now. horrible atmosphere people getting called out on standby left right and centre nobody turning up for their trips
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As I said last night, it seems the strikers have reached the second stage of grief. They've been doing denial for months, now its anger. Shame BASSA will never manage bargaining.
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Traffic stats for May released today, no shock that volume and capacity down, but nowhere near the damage caused by the volcano last month.
Particularly encouraged that Premium passenger numbers held up pretty well given the circumstances, down around 6%, seem many GCH still backing BA. Shares up on the news +1.8%.
New contract rumour seems encouraging, bypass BASSA and give CC an opportunity to make a decision once and for all.
Particularly encouraged that Premium passenger numbers held up pretty well given the circumstances, down around 6%, seem many GCH still backing BA. Shares up on the news +1.8%.
New contract rumour seems encouraging, bypass BASSA and give CC an opportunity to make a decision once and for all.
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Quote from today's Telegraph:
"...never our intention to hurt passengers..." - 12 days for Christmas, striking over Spring half term. Yeah, right. The mental gymnastics that go on in the minds of the strikers to justify themselves must be of olympian proportions.
"...enough damage that the airline would address our concerns..." - what if the damage is such that BA cannot address anyone's concerns - like keeping the pension schemes open. All the unions have worked pretty hard to achieve a solution that protects staff with a low basic wage (now where might they work...
?). If that has now been undone by a few fanatics, it's a pretty poor show of TU solidarity.
However, a Unite spokesman insisted that the wave of strikes was hitting BA hard in the pocket.
"It's costing BA a fortune. It was never our intention to hurt passengers but to cause BA enough damage that the airline would address our concerns."
"It's costing BA a fortune. It was never our intention to hurt passengers but to cause BA enough damage that the airline would address our concerns."
"...enough damage that the airline would address our concerns..." - what if the damage is such that BA cannot address anyone's concerns - like keeping the pension schemes open. All the unions have worked pretty hard to achieve a solution that protects staff with a low basic wage (now where might they work...
?). If that has now been undone by a few fanatics, it's a pretty poor show of TU solidarity.
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Gingertom,
The reduced schedule was conservatively built and then increased as more cabin crew turned up for work than in the plan. This happened in the first two strikes and has happened again in the current strikes.
When rebooking pax in the WDC, we were given lists of reinstated flights. Some were freighter flights which became passenger flights once enough cabin crew turned up for work, I guess others would have been genuine cancellations which got reinstated once the aircraft and both sets of crews became available.
The reduced schedule was conservatively built and then increased as more cabin crew turned up for work than in the plan. This happened in the first two strikes and has happened again in the current strikes.
When rebooking pax in the WDC, we were given lists of reinstated flights. Some were freighter flights which became passenger flights once enough cabin crew turned up for work, I guess others would have been genuine cancellations which got reinstated once the aircraft and both sets of crews became available.
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Today crew turnout WW 72% Euro 86% LGW 96%
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Juan
You are not even the best cabin crew in BA.
I think that perhaps that perception is part of the problem. Just wondering who you can compare yourselves to.
Try LGW or our previously excellent AML crew on the 777.
I also worked for Cathay. Different standard of service altogether.
You are not even the best cabin crew in BA.
I think that perhaps that perception is part of the problem. Just wondering who you can compare yourselves to.
Try LGW or our previously excellent AML crew on the 777.
I also worked for Cathay. Different standard of service altogether.