British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Well, what did you expect?
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CRC DAY 19 – A CREW MEMBER’S REPORT BACKJun 6th, 2010 by admin
Sometimes CRC days just pass by without anything significant happening. People turn up, they checkin, have breakfast in the canteen, they chew the cud, join in with a bit of sychronised chat in the coffee shop and then after a latte or two they go to the briefing satisfied that they have supported the cause. Such was today. The expected strike never really materialised, there was a laid back atmosphere and even the CSD was seen contemplating his navel which makes a change from him contemplating his bank balance. (Joke!)
The young child in 29A hurt his ears on descent but peace was restored by the calm, helpful response of the cabin crew.
The lady in Club painted her nails; the product, while slightly reduced was still excellent. I apologized to one Gold Card Holder and he turned and said “XXXX I am just so pleased to see you, that if you gave me nothing it would taste good!”. The engines that fly the plane worked perfectly (due to excellent maintenance by our expert engineers).
There is some news inasmuch as there is a crumour that BASSA (the ones that used to represent us) will shortly be issuing a notification to ballot letter. No-one is bothered by it. The only question being asked is “Do they really think people will vote yes this time?” Willie Walsh is apparently in Berlin until Tuesday afternoon at an IATA conference; it’s very much business as usual.
I wiled away an hour this morning talking to an old BASSA veteran who participated in the March dispute. They then explained how misled they felt they had been by BASSA and so had now returned to work. They asked if I had heard of the Professional Cabin Crew Council. I said no, pray tell me more.
Apparently a group of anonymous crew started a new council called the PCCC – due to the ridiculousness of BASSA calling a strike over 1 crew member off a plane. So many people rushed to join to the extent that the BASSA reps were desperate to find out who was behind it. All fingers pointed to real cabin crew and, unbelievably, it was. But we all had fun watching BASSA running around like headless chickens trying to find out the identities of this innovative new idea. Their website (www.mypccc.co.uk) was really professional and factual but what caught my eye was a quote “What is this strike about?” In my particular circumstances ie no longer a member of Unite, I certainly know where the PCCC was coming from.
So, three days to go. Tuesday is expected to have more flights operating (details to be posted by BA) and Wednesday will culminate in even more which means this week is virtually normal operations. There are still VCC earning their WINGS for the first time (I met 2 today) so it is still important we make them very welcome. Looking forward to seeing as many of you as possible onboard. Regards to all - PCCC
PS Tomatoes. They are red and round. Other than that, I find it beyond impossible to write anything about tomatoes.
CRC DAY 19 – A CREW MEMBER’S REPORT BACKJun 6th, 2010 by admin
Sometimes CRC days just pass by without anything significant happening. People turn up, they checkin, have breakfast in the canteen, they chew the cud, join in with a bit of sychronised chat in the coffee shop and then after a latte or two they go to the briefing satisfied that they have supported the cause. Such was today. The expected strike never really materialised, there was a laid back atmosphere and even the CSD was seen contemplating his navel which makes a change from him contemplating his bank balance. (Joke!)
The young child in 29A hurt his ears on descent but peace was restored by the calm, helpful response of the cabin crew.
The lady in Club painted her nails; the product, while slightly reduced was still excellent. I apologized to one Gold Card Holder and he turned and said “XXXX I am just so pleased to see you, that if you gave me nothing it would taste good!”. The engines that fly the plane worked perfectly (due to excellent maintenance by our expert engineers).
There is some news inasmuch as there is a crumour that BASSA (the ones that used to represent us) will shortly be issuing a notification to ballot letter. No-one is bothered by it. The only question being asked is “Do they really think people will vote yes this time?” Willie Walsh is apparently in Berlin until Tuesday afternoon at an IATA conference; it’s very much business as usual.
I wiled away an hour this morning talking to an old BASSA veteran who participated in the March dispute. They then explained how misled they felt they had been by BASSA and so had now returned to work. They asked if I had heard of the Professional Cabin Crew Council. I said no, pray tell me more.
Apparently a group of anonymous crew started a new council called the PCCC – due to the ridiculousness of BASSA calling a strike over 1 crew member off a plane. So many people rushed to join to the extent that the BASSA reps were desperate to find out who was behind it. All fingers pointed to real cabin crew and, unbelievably, it was. But we all had fun watching BASSA running around like headless chickens trying to find out the identities of this innovative new idea. Their website (www.mypccc.co.uk) was really professional and factual but what caught my eye was a quote “What is this strike about?” In my particular circumstances ie no longer a member of Unite, I certainly know where the PCCC was coming from.
So, three days to go. Tuesday is expected to have more flights operating (details to be posted by BA) and Wednesday will culminate in even more which means this week is virtually normal operations. There are still VCC earning their WINGS for the first time (I met 2 today) so it is still important we make them very welcome. Looking forward to seeing as many of you as possible onboard. Regards to all - PCCC
PS Tomatoes. They are red and round. Other than that, I find it beyond impossible to write anything about tomatoes.
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If Unite has pretty much accepted the Way Forward Agreement which includes the maintenance of existing contractual terms (unless amended through the agreed NSP negotiating procedures) and the monthly travel payment, then why are you striking.
If Unite has pretty much accepted the Way Forward Agreement which includes the maintenance of existing contractual terms (unless amended through the agreed NSP negotiating procedures) and the monthly travel payment, then why are you striking.
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nothing has been agreed.. as I tried to explain one person making a promise does not mean that the next person that comes along can not break it unless it is a concrete proposal . My personal view.. I am not secure in what has been offered... and nothing has been agreed.
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I am simply making the point that if the new contract came in I could no longer afford to come to work.
• Terms and conditions for current crew - A fundamental principle of this offer is that crew will have a firm commitment from British Airways in respect to their terms of employment. Current crew can feel assured that their existing contractual terms will be maintained for the future unless amended through the agreed NSP negotiating procedures.
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if I will remain on my current T&C's why is there a need for Mr Walsh to change anything then... I should just stay the same apart from offering a pay cut which i am happy to do for a period to help the company..
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We crossed. Frankly, if you and your Union simply don't accept any offer made by BA what hope is there of any settlement? I assume from your posts that whatever BA offer, you won't believe them.
Where on Earth do you go from there?
Where on Earth do you go from there?
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I think you have hit the nail on the head and it comes down to trust.. I am a base closure.. was promised all sorts.. had my contract changed so many times now.. It is a sad fact.. there is no trust...
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Because, as with my darling offspring, when the hissy fit has developed into a full-on, no-holes-barred, kicking-and-screaming tantrum which Mummy cooly ignores, they have no idea what it's all about or how to stop.
Because, as with my darling offspring, when the hissy fit has developed into a full-on, no-holes-barred, kicking-and-screaming tantrum which Mummy cooly ignores, they have no idea what it's all about or how to stop.
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I understand the lack of trust (on both sides). But if you get a legally binding contract agreed between BA and your Union, what more can you expect?
Your opinion is shared by very many of your colleagues and makes me very depressed. BA are offering you a contract which is legally binding. Agreements can be changed - as has been shown by crew complements etc.
What contract has BA reneged on in your time in the Company?
Your opinion is shared by very many of your colleagues and makes me very depressed. BA are offering you a contract which is legally binding. Agreements can be changed - as has been shown by crew complements etc.
What contract has BA reneged on in your time in the Company?
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at one point we gave 5000 pounds per crew member per year up to the company to purchase new aircraft.. I kid you not....The fact that my union would have less say in my day to day work would not make me comfortable (my opinion) I have number crunched the figures..my pension will be effected.. I am not stable in the trips that will be offered to the older crew or crew on the revised or what ever you want to call it contract.. I realy have looked into this. I am not a militant striker.. I am crew with many years flying experience.. I have never ever had a fall out with anyone.. even through all of this I have remained friends to all I meet..and will continue... I have looked into this and it does not sit comfortable with me I went to my BASSA meetings and I had the pleasure of talking to our CEO on a flight... unfortunately the CEO did not releave my fears after at least a 2 hour chat with him.
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at one point we gave 5000 pounds per crew member per year up to the company to purchase new aircraft
my pension will be effected
I would be delighted to be shown to be wrong, because my gut feeling is that people like yourself are being led up the garden path by your Union.
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Dave3,am so happy you came along and started posting.I think you are explaining our reasons to follow IA very well. Me,like yourself am everything but a militant and when I started posting on here a week ago most of the posts were referring to strikers as BASSA militants and somehow deserving no return to work.
I know very well that it's further from the truth.Most of the people I know followed that YES vote and not one of them took the decision lightly.They were sad to miss their report-for some it meant the FIRST ever time in their long career - and most of us were scared of the consequences.This was and still is the general feeling so when I first read comments on here I just didn't see myself as the person often described, BASSA militant, unloyal and somehow out of order for taking industrial action.
I have put my point across and I have realized that it was only a few that wished us bad and have posted since but it is nice to see you here!
I know very well that it's further from the truth.Most of the people I know followed that YES vote and not one of them took the decision lightly.They were sad to miss their report-for some it meant the FIRST ever time in their long career - and most of us were scared of the consequences.This was and still is the general feeling so when I first read comments on here I just didn't see myself as the person often described, BASSA militant, unloyal and somehow out of order for taking industrial action.
I have put my point across and I have realized that it was only a few that wished us bad and have posted since but it is nice to see you here!
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28L it has been so lovely having a debate with someone who is genuinely interested in talking.. I have the facts and the figures.. can I post on this forum though as it is a open forum and I dont want to get in trouble? ... If so I will post tomorrow and welcome any open debate.. in all I have worked for the company for 27years I have had my contract changed 5 times and if this goes ahead my T&C's changed 3 times.
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with regard to the money for the new aircraft... things were happening at the regions that LHR crew had no idea about and frankly did not care about.. not on my door step I suppose was the reaction.. this happened around 1994 forgive me if I am a little wrong on the year but I will clarify tomorrow when I have the paper work if I am alowed