British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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81% voted yes on a turnout of 79% giving 64% of total BASSA membership voted yes.
Doesn't look as definitive as 80% yes vote? Maybe you should reconsider your position?
I am not totally against it but as I said I with 80% of cc who are member of Bassa have voted YES
Doesn't look as definitive as 80% yes vote? Maybe you should reconsider your position?
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Doesn't look as definitive as 80% yes vote? Maybe you should reconsider your position?
Hope this clears my position.
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Somehow, I don't think that the removal of staff travel is "taking away almost all that its members have".
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Are BASSA as a group of members, making a claim for improvement of their T&C's? No.
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That looney bus was about the worst thing that Bassa or whoever was foolish enough to pay for it, have done.
For me and purely IMHO it broke the camels back; what on earth were they thinking of? Now and in a country where the full effect of recession have yet to be felt
with so many people out there who would eagerly fill their shoes
Perhaps they are either very right or very wrong, it has to be one of the two and they must stand by what they have done.
That looney bus was about the worst thing that Bassa or whoever was foolish enough to pay for it, have done.
For me and purely IMHO it broke the camels back; what on earth were they thinking of? Now and in a country where the full effect of recession have yet to be felt
with so many people out there who would eagerly fill their shoesPerhaps they are either very right or very wrong, it has to be one of the two and they must stand by what they have done.
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I am not trying to wind anyone up. BA has and probably will embargo ST to all. But and this is unqualified, BA has never removed ST from a specific group, just because the management team has decided to, as a punishment. I may be wrong, so I will apologise unconditionally if I have made a mistake.
Still, you are 'Airline Staff' so you are entitled to be here.
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As with many things it is easy to implement friction with the use of quotes and one liners without expanding upon details or ones own opinion.
As such I tend to ignore Litebulbs posts as ones that add nothing to the debate from the author.
good luck.
As such I tend to ignore Litebulbs posts as ones that add nothing to the debate from the author.
good luck.
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Another great day in Crew Report! I've been in for four hours and have another four to go before my briefing. I'm having a few hours kip before I go to work, though - so I'll be well rested 
But the place is as buzzing as you'd normally expect. Lots of people mulling around, lots of people on standby not being used because more and more people are showing up for their trips. And lots of people are in who I really didn't expect to see but who have ALL said "it's gone too far - Bassa's lost the plot".
I'm not in the business of spinning bullsh*t. I'm speaking the truth here - from the source.
People are very happy to be here. Happy to be heading to work and a lot of people have said "it's going to be great because the only people who are in are people who WANT to be here". Very true - and certainly been quite noticeable on the trips I've done on strike days.
I'm still sad because a lot of people I respect and like are over on Bedfont today, but atleast they are standing up for what they believe in. I doubt they'll ever speak to me again but such is the danger of being so open about my feelings on this whole situation.
I wish Bassa would drop thebullsh*t though. I've spoken to a lot of people who have been at BFC and they've said that support (or atleast numbers) is dwindling. I wonder if it's because Bassa is so quick to express glee at how many people are showing up every day - even though the truth is that they're struggling to attract people to the picket lines.
If Bassa were to appeal to its members and say "we need more people down here, the low number of people we have here doesn't look good to the media or the company", they might attract more people down there. But if people think the place is full, they're more likely to stay away.
But the place is as buzzing as you'd normally expect. Lots of people mulling around, lots of people on standby not being used because more and more people are showing up for their trips. And lots of people are in who I really didn't expect to see but who have ALL said "it's gone too far - Bassa's lost the plot".
I'm not in the business of spinning bullsh*t. I'm speaking the truth here - from the source.
People are very happy to be here. Happy to be heading to work and a lot of people have said "it's going to be great because the only people who are in are people who WANT to be here". Very true - and certainly been quite noticeable on the trips I've done on strike days.
I'm still sad because a lot of people I respect and like are over on Bedfont today, but atleast they are standing up for what they believe in. I doubt they'll ever speak to me again but such is the danger of being so open about my feelings on this whole situation.
I wish Bassa would drop thebullsh*t though. I've spoken to a lot of people who have been at BFC and they've said that support (or atleast numbers) is dwindling. I wonder if it's because Bassa is so quick to express glee at how many people are showing up every day - even though the truth is that they're struggling to attract people to the picket lines.
If Bassa were to appeal to its members and say "we need more people down here, the low number of people we have here doesn't look good to the media or the company", they might attract more people down there. But if people think the place is full, they're more likely to stay away.
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Can one assume that this ballot will largely be about the return of staff travel?
Where does that leave the other issues we've been dealing with?
Until they are actually, formally agreed, Bassa cannot take anything for granted.
A ballot is issued relating to the return of staff travel but in the meantime Walsh removes the offer from the table relating to alllllll the other things that have been discussed. So another ballot has to be sent for those issues.... I think this will go on, and on, and on.
And with regards to a staff travel ballot, it's going to be difficult.
Those who have lost it will undoubtedly vote YES to strike. But those who haven't lost it - and there are lots of them who have been at Bedfont - will without doubt vote NO. Why, afterall, would one person go on strike and lose THEIR staff travel in order to get staff travel given back to someone else?
Where does that leave the other issues we've been dealing with?
Until they are actually, formally agreed, Bassa cannot take anything for granted.
A ballot is issued relating to the return of staff travel but in the meantime Walsh removes the offer from the table relating to alllllll the other things that have been discussed. So another ballot has to be sent for those issues.... I think this will go on, and on, and on.
And with regards to a staff travel ballot, it's going to be difficult.
Those who have lost it will undoubtedly vote YES to strike. But those who haven't lost it - and there are lots of them who have been at Bedfont - will without doubt vote NO. Why, afterall, would one person go on strike and lose THEIR staff travel in order to get staff travel given back to someone else?
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They think its all over!
I feel a bit sorry for these guys who have been mislead by Bassa. I know we all had access to the same information and should have weighed it up with caution but unfortunately, too many were blindly led. They've lost their ST now and it looks like it wont come back at this stage - who knows? WW doesn't really need to do anymore bargining here. He clearly is winning and more and more crew are starting to see that.
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I went past Hatton Cross today and saw more flags than people. I also saw them on the back of the landover. They looked cold and tired. I was not used from a standby on Sunday and my very early flight today went smoothly. Lots of thanks from passengers.
I urge all Bassa members to discuss your unions stratergy. I cannot as I left beliveing may stance on the strike from way back made my membership unteneble.
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You have either won or you have not, this is not a dumbed down sack race. Either declare one way or the other or be prepared to go the full length, and all that implies. But please do don't moan.
How long can this go on before it becomes totally irrelevant?
There has to be a point at which everyone says 'enough is enough'...
How long can this go on before it becomes totally irrelevant?
There has to be a point at which everyone says 'enough is enough'...
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They think its all over!
I too am worried by the assertion that VCC are "more recent than real crew". Crew who are truly experienced can react instinctively to situations and do not have to refer to training.
In an emergency it's that instinct and it's related fast reactions that save lives, not reading a procedure from a book last week!
I am backing BA and working myself but VCC need to be realistic and know their place.
Mark speed
In an emergency it's that instinct and it's related fast reactions that save lives, not reading a procedure from a book last week!
I am backing BA and working myself but VCC need to be realistic and know their place.
Mark speed
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Does anyone in BASSAland think that because they haven't got their way after the past twelve weeks, they'll finally get it if they continue? What do they consider will have changed? I guarantee that if BA's attitude hasn't altered in favour of the strikers by now, it's unlikely to alter in the future.
If they think "New Fleet" was an issue before, it's highly likely to make a more sudden appearance. Current thinking is that it will comprise about 25% of the workforce in five years and significantly more after ten. A further strike will only accelerate this. Remember, any previous guarantees regarding protection of earnings from the lucrative trips are now ebbing away.
I would be interested to hear a justification for a further ballot.
If they think "New Fleet" was an issue before, it's highly likely to make a more sudden appearance. Current thinking is that it will comprise about 25% of the workforce in five years and significantly more after ten. A further strike will only accelerate this. Remember, any previous guarantees regarding protection of earnings from the lucrative trips are now ebbing away.
I would be interested to hear a justification for a further ballot.
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Judging by the amount of cars in the carpark today, I'm wondering who will be voting yes? Support is on a downward sprial and I think the announcement of a re-ballot will accelerate it even more. Let them re-ballot. Good luck! They're going to need it!! 
Those few that choose to stay out in the cold could well be looking at their p45's fairly soon. 
Those few that choose to stay out in the cold could well be looking at their p45's fairly soon.
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" There must have been no call by the trade union to take part or continue to take part in industrial action to which the ballot relates, or any authorisation or endorsement by the union of any such industrial action, before the date of the ballot;"
Trade Union And Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992
So will Willie Walsh be able to prove that a new strike is just a continuation of this one. I know where my money is.
Trade Union And Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992
So will Willie Walsh be able to prove that a new strike is just a continuation of this one. I know where my money is.
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I went past the picket line at the Police Station roundabout on my way home from work at about 15.00 today and there was, to my surprise, nobody manning it. The next one along, outside the fire station did, as did the battlebus that I followed down the A4, but why no supporters at one of the key picket points? Run out of people? Bank holiday? Does make you think.
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I have already said that in light of the new happenings I might have to vote differently if re-balloted.
I admire your decision to stand-by your yes vote and go on strike. You are right that many foolishly voted yes and have happily trotted into work, and are therefore guilty of causing much of this disaster.
However, what "new happenings" would make you vote differently now? The deal on offer now is comparitively WORSE than what was on offer last year, before the strike.
If you rejected it then, what has changed to now make you prepared to accept a worse deal?