British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Bassa website now up and running normally. No mention of the false website for the PCC or its contents.
I honestly hope that BA is going to start cracking down on these people because all 'naming and shaming' of pilots etc is getting out of hand. Just a look on the BASSA forum really worries me, BA is turning into a horrible place to work at the moment.
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I honestly hope that BA is going to start cracking down on these people because all 'naming and shaming' of pilots etc is getting out of hand. Just a look on the BASSA forum really worries me, BA is turning into a horrible place to work at the moment.
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Sorry to hear about that Oranguzee. I'm going to be careful what I say at work unless I can be 100% sure of the other party's views. Best just to observe other forums at the moment if you can bear it. I guess it will get worse before it gets better, which is why I say we must ignore all provocation on here too!
Does anyone know about PCCC website hits / emails of support as that might provide some reassurance?
Does anyone know about PCCC website hits / emails of support as that might provide some reassurance?
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La La La Land
Nutjob posted:
So, having a secure job (until BASSA began it's farcical campaign), being paid above industry average and being asked to work a little harder during the largest recession on record doesn't seem that bad to me - all considered……. La La Land it is for so many of you!
So, having a secure job (until BASSA began it's farcical campaign), being paid above industry average and being asked to work a little harder during the largest recession on record doesn't seem that bad to me - all considered……. La La Land it is for so many of you!
Would the real Mark Everard have been so stupid as to register the fake PCC web site in his own name? It seems unlikely, but since it will be easy to verify i suggest we wait until it is confirmed one way or another.
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possible outcomes and the effect on the customer, amongst others
Purely from the customer's perception, as we will be the collateral damage if a strike goes ahead, may I have your opinions on what you believe may happen given these possible outcomes?
I'm not pre-judging the outcome or taking sides or sh1t stirring, merely enquiring, as a ticket holder, from the insiders their opinions on how things could pan out from a variety of outcomes.
- BASSA win the Court Case
- BA wins the Court Case
- BASSA organise another ballot and the timeframe thereof
- BA unilaterally introduces changes to crew complements
I'm not pre-judging the outcome or taking sides or sh1t stirring, merely enquiring, as a ticket holder, from the insiders their opinions on how things could pan out from a variety of outcomes.
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Poor Mark, engaging keyboard fingers before brain. How will he manage to run his second business with a probable disciplinary hearing, HMRC investigation and, no doubt, weekly trips to Job Centre Plus?
This latest abhorrent action plunges the BASSA oligarchs to a new level of disgusting desperation.
It is a sad reflection of BASSA itself; infantile, crude and ignorant.
With every twist, every turn, BASSA sink even more irretrievably into extinction.
Cabin Crew deserve so much better.
This latest abhorrent action plunges the BASSA oligarchs to a new level of disgusting desperation.
It is a sad reflection of BASSA itself; infantile, crude and ignorant.
With every twist, every turn, BASSA sink even more irretrievably into extinction.
Cabin Crew deserve so much better.
the Daily Mail reports the BASSA “chairman” [sic-since her name and picture indicate she is a obviously not a male]
wubnig
In English, the word 'man' appeared as parts of two words in about the eighth century: 'wereman' meant the male of the species and 'wifman' meant the female. By the twelfth century, 'wereman' had been contracted to 'man' and meant both the species and the male of the species, to be understood by context. (Again, see the OED.) This is clear in the King James translation of the Bible: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." (Genesis I, 27)
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gps117, nostalgia v's reality.
History is littered with examples of what things used to be like, I hear it now. 'Wasn't like this in the 60's', 'kids of today', 'things used to be so nice round here'. Some of these things we can control, others we can't.
I have to admit, I have certain empathy with your post #47, I too remember those times, although I do not agree with all of the goings on you mentioned!
I started flying in the 1980's, things were very different.
It's called change!!!
It doesn't mean you have to stop enjoying what you do or become despondent, it does mean that if you want to stay in the loop, be involved, have a stake, take responsibilty for yourself, you need to look at it and see what benefits you can take from the altered situation.
Closer to home, events of the last 12 months, have been in direct response to a changing airline world. Yes, previous to that there were plans to see how we could be leaner as a company, not just cabin crew, all departments and a lot of those changes have been made.
I do not believe they have been done to destroy people or their working arrrangements, indeed quite the contrary; they have been put in place to ensure all of our futures.
In my view your 'one man' reference highlights exactly what I am talking about.
No, it's not about 'one man'. It is about 40000+ men and women. That 'one man' has a responsibilty to all of them, some of which are legally binding.
Some people lay the blame for our current debacle firmly at his door, there are examples on this forum. History will judge whether that was really fair and just. Looking around, my personal view is that it isn't fair or just.
My view is that the whole of this was and still is avoidable, I think the company have been up front about what is needed and offered an inclusive approach. It doesn't want to shaft anyone, it does want to survive and has a responsibilty to do just that.
Many people in our company, including fellow cabin crew I work with understand and agree. (This forum has loads of examples).
Our company is a progressive and attractive employer, our 'newbies' will enjoy working here wherever they are employed.
It is not a sweatshop or some corporate monster hellbent on destroying its employees.
In your final paragraph you refer to the future and what it may hold.
The way to avoid scenarios like that is to engage, influence and mold the future with the company.
A positive, pragmatic approach that balances all needs is the key to our future success, anyone else up for that?
In it to win it and all that, I think anything else is doomed to failure.
My views in response to a previous post, they do not represent my employer or anyone else.
I have to admit, I have certain empathy with your post #47, I too remember those times, although I do not agree with all of the goings on you mentioned!
I started flying in the 1980's, things were very different.
It's called change!!!
It doesn't mean you have to stop enjoying what you do or become despondent, it does mean that if you want to stay in the loop, be involved, have a stake, take responsibilty for yourself, you need to look at it and see what benefits you can take from the altered situation.
Closer to home, events of the last 12 months, have been in direct response to a changing airline world. Yes, previous to that there were plans to see how we could be leaner as a company, not just cabin crew, all departments and a lot of those changes have been made.
I do not believe they have been done to destroy people or their working arrrangements, indeed quite the contrary; they have been put in place to ensure all of our futures.
In my view your 'one man' reference highlights exactly what I am talking about.
No, it's not about 'one man'. It is about 40000+ men and women. That 'one man' has a responsibilty to all of them, some of which are legally binding.
Some people lay the blame for our current debacle firmly at his door, there are examples on this forum. History will judge whether that was really fair and just. Looking around, my personal view is that it isn't fair or just.
My view is that the whole of this was and still is avoidable, I think the company have been up front about what is needed and offered an inclusive approach. It doesn't want to shaft anyone, it does want to survive and has a responsibilty to do just that.
Many people in our company, including fellow cabin crew I work with understand and agree. (This forum has loads of examples).
Our company is a progressive and attractive employer, our 'newbies' will enjoy working here wherever they are employed.
It is not a sweatshop or some corporate monster hellbent on destroying its employees.
In your final paragraph you refer to the future and what it may hold.
The way to avoid scenarios like that is to engage, influence and mold the future with the company.
A positive, pragmatic approach that balances all needs is the key to our future success, anyone else up for that?
In it to win it and all that, I think anything else is doomed to failure.
My views in response to a previous post, they do not represent my employer or anyone else.
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As an ex BA Employee of 11 years (Crew for 3 1/2) it really saddens me to see how one man has managed to cause so much anger, mis-trust and animosity between a group of operational teams, that 3 years ago, worked together, helped and supported each other and made the day go with a smile, when you popped a few sherries into a bag if you recognised a colleague off the ground, or offered a more comfortable seat, or even a few left over breakfasts and coffee supplies for the engineers crew room
Willie Walsh has come to BA to do one thing, break the unions, and he will. As a supporter of BASSA during the 97 strike at yes voter during the 07 ballot, Bassa’s downfall will be not given an inch when they could (introducing fixed links etc) now BA wants the mile.
Willie Walsh has come to BA to do one thing, break the unions, and he will. As a supporter of BASSA during the 97 strike at yes voter during the 07 ballot, Bassa’s downfall will be not given an inch when they could (introducing fixed links etc) now BA wants the mile.
For as long as I can remember our cabin crew have been told 'you are the best in the world', 'you deserve everything you have' and 'you are what our customers fly BA for'. Tell them enough and they start to believe it.
Successive CEO's have made noises about aligning crew terms and conditions with market rates (+10% or whatever), but have never had the guts to actually follow through. Finally someone is doing what should have been done gradually over the last decade.
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Source: - http://www.ttglive.com/c/portal/layout?p_l_id=3208370&CMPI_SHARED_articleId=3662676&CMPI_SHA RED_ImageArticleId=3662676&CMPI_SHARED_articleIdRelated=3662 676&CMPI_SHARED_ToolsArticleId=3662676&CMPI_SHARED_CommentAr ticleId=3662676&articleTitle=BA%3A
So much damage being caused to present and long term custom and if it's not lost it's sold at a discount.
Source: - (business flights sold cheaper than economy)
Flight Centre managing director Chris Galanty said: “We are not switch-selling but some customers specifically request they do not travel with BA, and we have to go with the customer.”
Long-standing BA critic Clive Green, of Clive Green Travel, said his premium customers were now asking not to travel with the airline because strike fears were outweighing their desire to keep frequent flyer points.
Long-standing BA critic Clive Green, of Clive Green Travel, said his premium customers were now asking not to travel with the airline because strike fears were outweighing their desire to keep frequent flyer points.
Source: - (business flights sold cheaper than economy)
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BASSA win the Court Case: BA have given voluntary retirement and part time working already, so there is nobody to restore the previously removed crew members. BA recruit on new contracts (NEW FLEET). BA WIN
BA wins the Court Case: BA can maintain the new crewing levels and continue making the necessary savings to keep BA afloat. BA WINS
BASSA organise another ballot and the timeframe thereof: BASSA are doing that right now, and have provoked BA AND MANY OF IT'S EMPLOYEES into taking strike busting measures. There will be no stomach for BASSA, let alone yet another ballot IMHO BA WIN
BA unilaterally introduces changes to crew complements: BA already have. BA WINS
BA wins the Court Case: BA can maintain the new crewing levels and continue making the necessary savings to keep BA afloat. BA WINS
BASSA organise another ballot and the timeframe thereof: BASSA are doing that right now, and have provoked BA AND MANY OF IT'S EMPLOYEES into taking strike busting measures. There will be no stomach for BASSA, let alone yet another ballot IMHO BA WIN
BA unilaterally introduces changes to crew complements: BA already have. BA WINS
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Unite as a business
....Unite will have to cut costs further to offset the loss of membership and revenue as a consequence of the recession and to meet its pension obligations.....
I quite like that line above taken from the "Report of the joint general secretaries", year ended 2008.
Exchange "membership" for "passengers" and that could have been a BA quote could it not?
Source: - http://www.unitetheunion.com/about_us/summary_of_financial_informati.aspx
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Snas:
Good point.
Somehow I don't feel that Unite is feeling all warm and cuddly over the conduct of BASSA.
The smearing of the PCCC and BA using pornography must be making Unite cringe.
Though, looking at in from another point of view, it does mean a potential revenue stream for certain BASSA members. Should we expect to see the next raising of the flag photo to be issued sans clothing?
Good point.
Somehow I don't feel that Unite is feeling all warm and cuddly over the conduct of BASSA.
The smearing of the PCCC and BA using pornography must be making Unite cringe.
Though, looking at in from another point of view, it does mean a potential revenue stream for certain BASSA members. Should we expect to see the next raising of the flag photo to be issued sans clothing?
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Re Dodgy websites etc - I understand that someone started asking awkward questions on the Crew Forum asking if anyone knew anything about this and that post has now disappeared. Seems that no-one dares question the union. Hardly unbiased and encouraging of free speech
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So what would constitute a bassa victory
Would the return of pre-november crew complements mean the strike threat was removed or do bassa also want a guarantee of no nufleet?
It fact what do bassa want in order to settle?
It fact what do bassa want in order to settle?