British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
a website which links the words 'British Airways' to a porn site or a pile of poo
. . or am I confusing it with some other political essay?
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binsleepen:
Someone may be trying to save their gluteus maximus, though the effort may be a tad late.
I did come across in interesting fact that I hadn't noted previously in the Daily Mail article linked to previously.
The article states:
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1236471/The-BA-comrade-California--50-000-year-union-activist-lives-LA-flown-year.html#ixzz0eViAsLlx
Has Bassa released a statement stating that no BASSA representatives had anything to do with that disgusting website, and if not, why the hesitation?
Someone may be trying to save their gluteus maximus, though the effort may be a tad late.
I did come across in interesting fact that I hadn't noted previously in the Daily Mail article linked to previously.
The article states:
Last night Mr Everard, who is in charge of the union's website, was away working aboard a BA flight to Oman.
Has Bassa released a statement stating that no BASSA representatives had anything to do with that disgusting website, and if not, why the hesitation?
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BASSA website pulled?
Oh for God's sake, do keep up!
The article of which the bit about Everard being in Oman and unavailable for comment was from December 17 2009.
In recent news, latest rumour ststes that the BASSA website has been taken down.
The article of which the bit about Everard being in Oman and unavailable for comment was from December 17 2009.
In recent news, latest rumour ststes that the BASSA website has been taken down.
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OpenClimb:
I'm well aware of when the article was issued.
My point was that I had missed the intruiging point that it states that he is in charge of BASSA's website.
It appears that the pornographic site that was operating recently would, more likely than not, be easily within his skill range.
I'm well aware of when the article was issued.
My point was that I had missed the intruiging point that it states that he is in charge of BASSA's website.
It appears that the pornographic site that was operating recently would, more likely than not, be easily within his skill range.
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As an ex BA Employee of 11 years (Crew for 3 1/2) it really saddens me to see how one man has managed to cause so much anger, mis-trust and animosity between a group of operational teams, that 3 years ago, worked together, helped and supported each other and made the day go with a smile, when you popped a few sherries into a bag if you recognised a colleague off the ground, or offered a more comfortable seat, or even a few left over breakfasts and coffee supplies for the engineers crew room
Willie Walsh has come to BA to do one thing, break the unions, and he will. As a supporter of BASSA during the 97 strike at yes voter during the 07 ballot, Bassa’s downfall will be not given an inch when they could (introducing fixed links etc) now BA wants the mile.
I remember days of partying with an entire 767 cabin and flight crew at the dodgy night club in Larnaca, sharing a laugh and a cup of tea with a TRM whilst we waited for the bus full of happy Paris passengers to arrive at 5:00 am, always being welcomed to enjoy the view over London in the jump seat by the Airbus flighcrew (and flying in sideways coming back from Stuggart on very windy December morning ). I cant see that happening now, with people volunteering to break a strike, names and number flying around, the list goes on. Will newbie’s have these memories…well I doubt it from what my friends who still fly are telling me.
What makes BA the best airline to work for…well the pay T’s and C’s definatly helped, so no one should be berated for wanting to give them up, but its the banter and the people that also made it for me, from my years there I met friends for life, (and a few lovers along the way!)
Don’t let Mr. Walsh and his cronies ruin it for all, because it may be Cabin Crew at the moment, but what’s next? Cruise Pilots? Aviance in BA uniforms at LHR? Load Control for LHR in BRU? Service Air TRM’s on 17K a year?
Willie Walsh has come to BA to do one thing, break the unions, and he will. As a supporter of BASSA during the 97 strike at yes voter during the 07 ballot, Bassa’s downfall will be not given an inch when they could (introducing fixed links etc) now BA wants the mile.
I remember days of partying with an entire 767 cabin and flight crew at the dodgy night club in Larnaca, sharing a laugh and a cup of tea with a TRM whilst we waited for the bus full of happy Paris passengers to arrive at 5:00 am, always being welcomed to enjoy the view over London in the jump seat by the Airbus flighcrew (and flying in sideways coming back from Stuggart on very windy December morning ). I cant see that happening now, with people volunteering to break a strike, names and number flying around, the list goes on. Will newbie’s have these memories…well I doubt it from what my friends who still fly are telling me.
What makes BA the best airline to work for…well the pay T’s and C’s definatly helped, so no one should be berated for wanting to give them up, but its the banter and the people that also made it for me, from my years there I met friends for life, (and a few lovers along the way!)
Don’t let Mr. Walsh and his cronies ruin it for all, because it may be Cabin Crew at the moment, but what’s next? Cruise Pilots? Aviance in BA uniforms at LHR? Load Control for LHR in BRU? Service Air TRM’s on 17K a year?
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Well, as just a plain, old happy-to-serve-customers kind of crew member, without my own business on the side , this is all getting very exciting. One minute I'm serving tea and coffee, the next I'm up to my neck in porn, or poo, or hot air!! Good game, good game.
But it's proving to be very interesting this "battle". No, we haven't got funding from BA, no we haven't got their backing nor do we even want it right now. But what we have got is HUGE support from cabin crew, customers, ex cabin crew, other BA employees, even other airline employees! So we are finding in our new "business venture" that many old adages are true:
"He who laughs last laughs longest" AND "Any publicity is good publicity".
So thank you very much BASSA.
Today the Professional Cabin Crew Council www.professionalcrewcouncil.com via our new secure email address [email protected] received the most requests for information from BA Cabin Crew that it has so far received in one day.
You've done us proud. You see, BASSA, BA cabin crew have far more intelligence than you give them credit for. Like us, they are starting to see through you. And they don't like what they see.
I am a BA cabin crew member and this is my own view and not that of BA.
, this is all getting very exciting. One minute I'm serving tea and coffee, the next I'm up to my neck in porn, or poo, or hot air!! Good game, good game.But it's proving to be very interesting this "battle". No, we haven't got funding from BA, no we haven't got their backing nor do we even want it right now. But what we have got is HUGE support from cabin crew, customers, ex cabin crew, other BA employees, even other airline employees! So we are finding in our new "business venture" that many old adages are true:
"He who laughs last laughs longest" AND "Any publicity is good publicity".
So thank you very much BASSA.
Today the Professional Cabin Crew Council www.professionalcrewcouncil.com via our new secure email address [email protected] received the most requests for information from BA Cabin Crew that it has so far received in one day.
You've done us proud. You see, BASSA, BA cabin crew have far more intelligence than you give them credit for. Like us, they are starting to see through you. And they don't like what they see.
I am a BA cabin crew member and this is my own view and not that of BA.
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Originally Posted by L337
Domain name:
professionalcrewcouncil.co.uk
Registrant:
mark everard
Registrant type:
UK Individual
Registrant's address:
The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their
address omitted from the WHOIS service.
Registrar:
Webfusion Ltd t/a 123-Reg.co.uk [Tag = 123-REG]
URL: 123-reg | Domain names | Domain name registration
Relevant dates:
Registered on: 01-Feb-2010
Renewal date: 01-Feb-2012
Last updated: 01-Feb-2010
Registration status:
Registration request being processed.
Name servers:
ns.123-reg.co.uk
ns2.123-reg.co.uk
professionalcrewcouncil.co.uk
Registrant:
mark everard
Registrant type:
UK Individual
Registrant's address:
The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their
address omitted from the WHOIS service.
Registrar:
Webfusion Ltd t/a 123-Reg.co.uk [Tag = 123-REG]
URL: 123-reg | Domain names | Domain name registration
Relevant dates:
Registered on: 01-Feb-2010
Renewal date: 01-Feb-2012
Last updated: 01-Feb-2010
Registration status:
Registration request being processed.
Name servers:
ns.123-reg.co.uk
ns2.123-reg.co.uk
a) 123-reg.co.uk is a UK company.
b) They charge for their services, so you would have to pay for it. This makes you traceable, not matter what you tell them your name is.
c) 123-reg.co.uk is in Uxbridge, which....
d) ...would be a short stroll from Waterside for the legal team to submit a request to find out who paid for the site...
e) ...which the company might be glad to do, looking at its clear abuse policy.
I think we will see this played out in the fairly near future.
What a shame for the cabin crew it has descended to this level.
Backfire of epic proportions.
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Originally Posted by HiFlyer14
Well, as just a plain, old happy-to-serve-customers kind of crew member, without my own business on the side 
, this is all getting very exciting. One minute I'm serving tea and coffee, the next I'm up to my neck in porn, or poo, or hot air!! Good game, good game.
, this is all getting very exciting. One minute I'm serving tea and coffee, the next I'm up to my neck in porn, or poo, or hot air!! Good game, good game.Please do not misunderstand me. I am totally against any strike, have no issues with what you are doing and wish you the best of luck. However, whilst I understand your desire to stay annonymous due to fears for your safety, BASSA supporters, for lack of anything concrete, are now guessing wildly and guessing wrong. People who have nothing to do with this are being targeted.
Good game? Not really, no.
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The BASSA website has been down down for the past few hours.
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Hi JetsetLady,
I am very sorry to hear that about your friend. We are aware of this from crewforum. Your friend must use the bullying and harrassment policy that is in place in BA and they will absolutely get 100% protection and support from BA.
I meant the phrase good game entirely tongue in cheek, because of course none of this is a good game for anyone. It is extremely frightening. And the sad thing is that, while BASSA are playing these games, taking BA to court for a ridiculous injunction, conducting a strike ballot and all the other antics outlined very eloquently earlier, our company is suffering and that means that ultimately we the employees will suffer.
If we were not anonymous, we would have no chance of getting our message out to the cabin crew. The BASSA mentality, as demonstrated with all these examples, knows no limits. People did not believe us - we have been saying for some time now that they are bullies, and that we could not speak out. This is the only way that we stand a chance of saving our company. It is a slim chance, but it is a chance nonetheless. We have to take it. Our anonymity is not being done out of malice, it is our only hope to succeed. We sincerely hope that people can see that, and can now see this evil CANCER that exists within our company.
Please pass on our sincere best wishes to your friend.
I am BA cabin crew and this is my own viewpoint and not that of BA.
I am very sorry to hear that about your friend. We are aware of this from crewforum. Your friend must use the bullying and harrassment policy that is in place in BA and they will absolutely get 100% protection and support from BA.
I meant the phrase good game entirely tongue in cheek, because of course none of this is a good game for anyone. It is extremely frightening. And the sad thing is that, while BASSA are playing these games, taking BA to court for a ridiculous injunction, conducting a strike ballot and all the other antics outlined very eloquently earlier, our company is suffering and that means that ultimately we the employees will suffer.
If we were not anonymous, we would have no chance of getting our message out to the cabin crew. The BASSA mentality, as demonstrated with all these examples, knows no limits. People did not believe us - we have been saying for some time now that they are bullies, and that we could not speak out. This is the only way that we stand a chance of saving our company. It is a slim chance, but it is a chance nonetheless. We have to take it. Our anonymity is not being done out of malice, it is our only hope to succeed. We sincerely hope that people can see that, and can now see this evil CANCER that exists within our company.
Please pass on our sincere best wishes to your friend.
I am BA cabin crew and this is my own viewpoint and not that of BA.
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I cannot believe how low BASSA has stooped! So sorry Tiramisu, HF, GG for you. They clearly see PCC as a threat - BASSA/Unite members go over to PCC = Loss of money the greedy Unite people get!
I am equally horrified with the ''naming and shaming'' of the pilots/TRMs who have volunteered. These guys have volunteered through their own decision. Sure, I can see why people don't like it. As I can see both sides of the coin, HOWEVER it was their decision as they are worried about their own jobs. To now be outed, in my opinion, is disgraceful. OK, so some will say they knew what they were going into before they done it - yes that is true but they obviously volunteered for the reasons mentioned they are worried about their jobs. Not necassarily because they want to ''break CC T&Cs'' but they, personally don't feel a strike is justified, worth losing our and their jobs over or whatever. They may think they are protecting our T&Cs. I have been so confused on the situation of late so I can see both sides of the coin however naming and shaming is disgusting.
Now I am worried if there is a strike there will be a similar text going around as to who (full cabin crew) came into work. Because, by hook or by crook, some evil, malicious so and so will get the info (mates from scheduling etc etc) and quite frankly I will not want to come to work again if my name was published. Am actually very scared
But I'm going to stay positive (or try to at least!)
I am equally horrified with the ''naming and shaming'' of the pilots/TRMs who have volunteered. These guys have volunteered through their own decision. Sure, I can see why people don't like it. As I can see both sides of the coin, HOWEVER it was their decision as they are worried about their own jobs. To now be outed, in my opinion, is disgraceful. OK, so some will say they knew what they were going into before they done it - yes that is true but they obviously volunteered for the reasons mentioned they are worried about their jobs. Not necassarily because they want to ''break CC T&Cs'' but they, personally don't feel a strike is justified, worth losing our and their jobs over or whatever. They may think they are protecting our T&Cs. I have been so confused on the situation of late so I can see both sides of the coin however naming and shaming is disgusting.
Now I am worried if there is a strike there will be a similar text going around as to who (full cabin crew) came into work. Because, by hook or by crook, some evil, malicious so and so will get the info (mates from scheduling etc etc) and quite frankly I will not want to come to work again if my name was published. Am actually very scared
But I'm going to stay positive (or try to at least!)
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At least UNITE is using our membership fees to something - because I doubt Mark Everard took it out of his own pocket.
It would have been nice if they had spent it on something else - but go ahead. You are digging your own grave even deeper! The sooner you are out of the company - the better.
It would have been nice if they had spent it on something else - but go ahead. You are digging your own grave even deeper! The sooner you are out of the company - the better.
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I normally sit at the front windows of the jet. I volunteered. I have finished the 3 days of training. My name may now be on a list.
Does this bother me? No.
Would I do the same again given the choice? Absolutely.
Does this bother me? No.
Would I do the same again given the choice? Absolutely.
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It takes 3 days ONLY FOR PILOTS. They are already trained in many areas of SEP so therefore in many areas they only have to be current in it. The 3 days I assume just covers the cabin crew specific only areas of SEP. Not sure what it is exactly.
Ground staff who have volunteered as cabin crew who have never worked as crew before have to have a 20 days course which is pretty much all of SEP/AVMED/Security. I think certain non-mandatory elements may be cut out like manual handling etc and of course customer service which means it is not the normal 6 weeks course.
Ground staff who have volunteered as cabin crew who have never worked as crew before have to have a 20 days course which is pretty much all of SEP/AVMED/Security. I think certain non-mandatory elements may be cut out like manual handling etc and of course customer service which means it is not the normal 6 weeks course.