British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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I would advise some caution.
Before identifying anyone as the owner of that page as a fact it might be wise to let the authorities and the press do their work.
Personally, I can't believe that anyone would leave such an obvious trail so I'll stay a tad cynical for the time being.
Before identifying anyone as the owner of that page as a fact it might be wise to let the authorities and the press do their work.
Personally, I can't believe that anyone would leave such an obvious trail so I'll stay a tad cynical for the time being.
Fake websites/facebook etc
I'm not sure how BA management or the BA legal team would view his disgusting behaviour, whoever he is..
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Hopefully PCCC members are gathering screenshots (as offensive as that may be) and contacting the appropriate media representatives.
While BASSA and their members can refuse to respond to PCCC they may have a harder time ignoring SKY News, BBC, etc..
My initial thought was that this was the work of some 13 year old wanting to stir up trouble, but given the history of BASSA to publish absolutely inaccurate statements regarding other unions on their website, to publish names and personal information of individuals who disagree with their position, there may be a "there" there.
Though I still have a hard time believing anyone would be so silly as to leave such an easy trace, especially given the nature of activity.
While BASSA and their members can refuse to respond to PCCC they may have a harder time ignoring SKY News, BBC, etc..
My initial thought was that this was the work of some 13 year old wanting to stir up trouble, but given the history of BASSA to publish absolutely inaccurate statements regarding other unions on their website, to publish names and personal information of individuals who disagree with their position, there may be a "there" there.
Though I still have a hard time believing anyone would be so silly as to leave such an easy trace, especially given the nature of activity.
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As a novice to registering domain names I'm unaware as to whether or not it is easy to use another individual's name as an "owner"
However, I do believe that it should not take long to verify.
Has any statement been produced by BASSA and/or Unite on their boards? The longer they stay silent the more of a problem it becomes.
However, I do believe that it should not take long to verify.
Has any statement been produced by BASSA and/or Unite on their boards? The longer they stay silent the more of a problem it becomes.
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Well, as you said Diplome, why not let the media do the investigating on behalf of the PCCC and give them some free publicity to boot? I'm sure BBC, SKY, whomever would find it much more interesting than the authorities would, especially in the current climate.
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BASSA & £30 per day strike pay
Before the failed Xmas strike, BASSA made quite a big play about the fact that they would pay £30 per day per member over the strike period.
Now, most people pay BASSA fees by check off, ie direct from salary, so BASSA won't have any idea about their bank account details, and so won't be able to credit members electronically with their 'strike pay'. Furthermore, BASSA will not know who is at work and I'm sure they wouldn't want to pay anyone who is not supporting the strike. Yet more, they won't know who is rostered to work on which day, who is on leave/part time week etc and therefore being paid by BA.
This leads me to draw only one conclusion. BASSA will only pay out the £30 per day to the people who actually man the picket line. They will pay in cash. They will not pay every member (and ex-members!), so by that logic, their stated promise of £30 per day is a pretty hollow promise and will in practise amount to little.
Would a BASSA follower please tell me where my logic is flawed.
Now, most people pay BASSA fees by check off, ie direct from salary, so BASSA won't have any idea about their bank account details, and so won't be able to credit members electronically with their 'strike pay'. Furthermore, BASSA will not know who is at work and I'm sure they wouldn't want to pay anyone who is not supporting the strike. Yet more, they won't know who is rostered to work on which day, who is on leave/part time week etc and therefore being paid by BA.
This leads me to draw only one conclusion. BASSA will only pay out the £30 per day to the people who actually man the picket line. They will pay in cash. They will not pay every member (and ex-members!), so by that logic, their stated promise of £30 per day is a pretty hollow promise and will in practise amount to little.
Would a BASSA follower please tell me where my logic is flawed.
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Top Bunk - only playing devils advocate but perhaps a request after the pay checks are out could be made, as I would have thought the company deductions would appear on a Strikers pay slip???
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The blueprint has been in place for the last 8-9 years in the States (where do you think they are getting their ideas from? ), and this I am convinced is what they are trying to do to the cabin crew in the UK. Over here, they have turned it into a crappy job for the new entrants, and I think if any of you have gotten on a US carrier lately, you will notice the service is usually not very good. I wonder why....
But I have to be blunt: BA cabin crew think this way because they have been isolated from the upheavals during the past eight years. After 9/11, US carriers cut jobs, furloughed many employees (including crew), but BA kept its crew. This was helped by crew taking up BA's offer of voluntary unpaid leave.
But now we are in another and bigger crisis: several airlines such as EOS, Maxjet, Silverjet, XL Airways and FlyGlobespan have gone bust, others like bmi and Aer Lingus are cutting back, BA is losing £1.6m a day. BA has a new fleet at lower cost and might further reduce costs in future. Of course, nobody likes this, but the bottom line is this.
BA cabin crew have got jobs right now and must play their part in saving the company. Need I say more?
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I doubt that the alleged posting of a website purporting to represent an organisation that it does not, is either illegal, or could be subject to any disciplinary action from an employer.
Given the current state of relations, I think BA will be taking a very dim view of any hint of bullying.
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I wouldn't be so sure about this statement:
Google "Employee conduct away from the workplace" and you'll find many interesting scenarios where, if the creator of the pornographic website is a BA employee he may be in for some real difficulty in the near future.
I doubt that the alleged posting of a website purporting to represent an organisation that it does not, is either illegal, or could be subject to any disciplinary action from an employer.
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Have any current BASSA members spoken out about the threats against Volunteers?
Is there no end to how LOW Bassa will go? Have they now stopped even TRYING to pretend to their members that they're a serious and professional group?
When will they realise that their childish and spiteful actions of late only serve to incriminate them in this totally avoidable fiasco?
When will the other 10,000 BASSA members (who have yet to come over to PPruNe) finally wake up to the fact that this union is serving no-one but the precious few at the top?
.....how much more evidence and proof of the lies, the deceit, the malice, the vindictiveness, the bullying and cheating way-of-operating do our cabin crew colleagues need before they're able to open their eyes?
Setting up Pornographic websites?
Feeding lies upon lies to the papers/media channels?
Banning ANY discussion of the Professional Cabin Crew Council on the BASSA forum and telling their members that BA were involved in setting the PCC up?!
Collecting lists of other staff members for Bullying/Harassment/Intimidation purposes and texting them around the company?!
How irresponsible not-to-mention despicable is that?! This behaviour cannot be supported, however silently, by your continued membership of BASSA.
It can't have gone unnoticed by a single BASSA member, however junior and naive, that their 'union' is a dictatorship, just as bad as in any third-world country. Let's be grown-ups here for a second, no-one can claim ignorance of such an overtly and unashamedly corrupt and destructive stance....
......the union 'leadership' take money from the members and only ever further their own agendas,
-they threaten & bully to keep the masses in line,
-they threaten and bully other work groups in the company (and now THEIR unions!) and have a known history of bullying a fellow Cabin Crew Union!!
-they do NOT TOLERATE open discussion
-freedom of speech is openly denied (BASSA forum)
-they will not justify decisions or positions taken, even though the members pay to keep the reps where they are and pay to be 'represented' (talk to the hand, non-negotiation), and everyone knows that, whilst 'everyone is equal' ,the reps are 'more equal than others' (best paid trips etc)!
-Their regime wrote the books on ruling by fear, working to rule & other such classics....
When will this unjustifiable and aggressive violation of industrial representation be brought to an end? When will the members be REPRESENTED?!.....or even asked to vote on anything other than a suicidal strike?!
I had hoped that there was light at the end of the tunnel and that through this forum and others we could show that light to those who had only ever been shown the darkest of dark shadows and told that the light was a totally imaginary concept.....yet if it did somehow exist, in some freaky alternative reality, it would definitely be the construct of Satan himself and inherently evil and dangerous...
When will all this end....? I'm afraid that now it's out of BASSAs clutches, only Willy Walsh knows.....
Let's all hope that he shows some mercy to the very-many very-able cabin crew who vote NO, who vote to SUPPORT THEIR COMPANY & PROTECT THEIR JOBS and come into work alongside the now 2500+ volunteers......and let's hope that he allows the PCC some role in restructuring our once Great Company after it crawls war-torn and ravaged from the battlefield, tentatively taking its first breath of freedom having finally slain the evil BASSA dragon.
When will they realise that their childish and spiteful actions of late only serve to incriminate them in this totally avoidable fiasco?
When will the other 10,000 BASSA members (who have yet to come over to PPruNe) finally wake up to the fact that this union is serving no-one but the precious few at the top?
.....how much more evidence and proof of the lies, the deceit, the malice, the vindictiveness, the bullying and cheating way-of-operating do our cabin crew colleagues need before they're able to open their eyes?
Setting up Pornographic websites?
Feeding lies upon lies to the papers/media channels?
Banning ANY discussion of the Professional Cabin Crew Council on the BASSA forum and telling their members that BA were involved in setting the PCC up?!
Collecting lists of other staff members for Bullying/Harassment/Intimidation purposes and texting them around the company?!
How irresponsible not-to-mention despicable is that?! This behaviour cannot be supported, however silently, by your continued membership of BASSA.
It can't have gone unnoticed by a single BASSA member, however junior and naive, that their 'union' is a dictatorship, just as bad as in any third-world country. Let's be grown-ups here for a second, no-one can claim ignorance of such an overtly and unashamedly corrupt and destructive stance....
......the union 'leadership' take money from the members and only ever further their own agendas,
-they threaten & bully to keep the masses in line,
-they threaten and bully other work groups in the company (and now THEIR unions!) and have a known history of bullying a fellow Cabin Crew Union!!
-they do NOT TOLERATE open discussion
-freedom of speech is openly denied (BASSA forum)
-they will not justify decisions or positions taken, even though the members pay to keep the reps where they are and pay to be 'represented' (talk to the hand, non-negotiation), and everyone knows that, whilst 'everyone is equal' ,the reps are 'more equal than others' (best paid trips etc)!
-Their regime wrote the books on ruling by fear, working to rule & other such classics....
When will this unjustifiable and aggressive violation of industrial representation be brought to an end? When will the members be REPRESENTED?!.....or even asked to vote on anything other than a suicidal strike?!
I had hoped that there was light at the end of the tunnel and that through this forum and others we could show that light to those who had only ever been shown the darkest of dark shadows and told that the light was a totally imaginary concept.....yet if it did somehow exist, in some freaky alternative reality, it would definitely be the construct of Satan himself and inherently evil and dangerous...
When will all this end....? I'm afraid that now it's out of BASSAs clutches, only Willy Walsh knows.....
Let's all hope that he shows some mercy to the very-many very-able cabin crew who vote NO, who vote to SUPPORT THEIR COMPANY & PROTECT THEIR JOBS and come into work alongside the now 2500+ volunteers......and let's hope that he allows the PCC some role in restructuring our once Great Company after it crawls war-torn and ravaged from the battlefield, tentatively taking its first breath of freedom having finally slain the evil BASSA dragon.
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Well how let down, couldn't see any smutty pictures just "POO" written in what looks like poo!! Would like to think the person that did this has a better produced website for their own business.
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The pornographic website is now a single image of the word 'poo', written in poo. Really, it's embarrassing.
The website keywords include the following:
British airways cabin crew,BA crew,crew strike,professional cabin crew council,BALPA,crew union,new union,pccc, BA crew,crew union
I would imagine that deliberately setting up a website which links the words 'British Airways' to a porn site or a pile of poo might just be of interest to BA.
Bringing the company into disrepute is a sackable offence.
The website keywords include the following:
British airways cabin crew,BA crew,crew strike,professional cabin crew council,BALPA,crew union,new union,pccc, BA crew,crew union
I would imagine that deliberately setting up a website which links the words 'British Airways' to a porn site or a pile of poo might just be of interest to BA.
Bringing the company into disrepute is a sackable offence.
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The individual who registered that site has a good deal more to worry about than simply being fired.
Both the PCCC and BA have a very strong case for libel.
The "Poo" response reminds me of the BASSA post following their false assertion regarding BALPA.
No "We apologize and will print a correction", instead an inappropriate "Foxtrot Oscar".
I continue to be stunned that BASSA's membership isn't insisting that this conduct stop.
Both the PCCC and BA have a very strong case for libel.
The "Poo" response reminds me of the BASSA post following their false assertion regarding BALPA.
No "We apologize and will print a correction", instead an inappropriate "Foxtrot Oscar".
I continue to be stunned that BASSA's membership isn't insisting that this conduct stop.
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I also hear BASSA is enjoying a name and shame via text system for those that have volunteered to be Cabin Crew Volunteers. It also includes some personal information about these individuals.
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I hope they have got my name right.
I'll look forward to entering into discussion on the subject if they raise it with me, and of course will take the opportunity to appraise them of membership of th PCC.
I'll look forward to entering into discussion on the subject if they raise it with me, and of course will take the opportunity to appraise them of membership of th PCC.
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Just a thought about cabin crew levels. Have Bassa taken into account the night flights where the first and club pax are fed in the lounge prior to departure?
Or the current pax loads which, I hear, are running at under 80%?
Both of these "changes" indicate that the number of cabin crew could be trimmed even closer to the CAA minimum.
Or the current pax loads which, I hear, are running at under 80%?
Both of these "changes" indicate that the number of cabin crew could be trimmed even closer to the CAA minimum.
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Lou Shannon - crewing levels on longhaul flights never change. Even if First is completely empty on both outbound and inbound flights there will be same amount of crew.
Previously there were 15 to 16 crew on 747 with less than 300 pax - a couple of years ago when 747 carried almost 400 pax the number of crew was the same!
If BA removed another 50 seats from 747 - UNITE would still be insisting that the crewing levels should be the same. Go figure.
Previously there were 15 to 16 crew on 747 with less than 300 pax - a couple of years ago when 747 carried almost 400 pax the number of crew was the same!
If BA removed another 50 seats from 747 - UNITE would still be insisting that the crewing levels should be the same. Go figure.