British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Originally Posted by Watersidewonker
No more mucking about rime for BASSA to flex it's muscles and pull the trigger out we go for 10 days at least.
Go for it. See what happens.
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legandawing: I doubt if BA are looking that closely at Thomson, Thomascook and BMI
I doubt they are even benchmarking themselves against Virgin.
Their main competitors are Etihad, Qatar and above all Emirates.
I doubt they are even benchmarking themselves against Virgin.
Their main competitors are Etihad, Qatar and above all Emirates.
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Someone is a bit touchy today a simple spelling error partly due to using a hand held device sounds a bit like the nigel is a bit of a panicker. Rime to go now to await news from Sky/BBC bye bye now see you all on the picket line.
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WWW,
Couldn't agree more. I suggest you get on the phone and tell your reps to 'pull that trigger' and set some dates.
Then we'll be that much closer to having a decent company fit to thrive in the 21st century.
Ok, there will no longer be a Bassa, or a life long career as cabin crew, but so much the better.
Couldn't agree more. I suggest you get on the phone and tell your reps to 'pull that trigger' and set some dates.
Then we'll be that much closer to having a decent company fit to thrive in the 21st century.
Ok, there will no longer be a Bassa, or a life long career as cabin crew, but so much the better.
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WWW, I'm genuinely curious as to why you're so keen for a strike? Now forgive me if I'm misreading you, but you seem almost excited by the prospect. Surely a strike for any group of workers should be a last resort, a decision taken with a heavy heart. Why are you so pleased by the possibility?
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www has it right at last
Yep, a strange day when we all agree with watersidewonker. A strike would be the best possible outcome now, I can hardly bear to watch the news in case I hear the dreaded words 'a deal has been struck between BA and Unite...'.
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Regardles of ownership BA CC now have to realise they are, regardless of how good they think they are, only worth the going rate..That rate is for sure a lot less than they receive now...
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Why does Watersidewonker still manage to generate a reply? He pops in every day or so, posts a couple of lines absent of any content only designed to generate a rise out of people and disappears again.
He is wholly irrelevant.
He is wholly irrelevant.
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Their [BA's] main competitors are Etihad, Qatar and above all Emirates.
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So in summary...BA CC are overpaid!
Cost and pay are not the same thing. Costs can be reduced by, err, removing one crew member from a flight for example with no adjustment to pay.
CC focus a lot on pay (understandable) but it is only BASSA that keep making noises about them earning so much less whilst at the same time offer a pay cut to BA (apparently) in exchange for numbers of crew.
Odd eh.
With specific regards to pay levels it would be just as accurate to state that most other airlines cabin crew are underpaid, it’s the difference between them that's the issue here.
Ideally all would earn more-or-less the same (allowing for a competitive industry) and my preference would be for the others to be increased before BA CC was decreased.
Unlikely to happen (well never going too really) but that doesn’t stop it from being my preference.
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At the end of the day the going rate is...just that... BA CC are overpaid and that has to be adjusted. They do no more or less than any other airline crew do flying any other aircraft, regardless of type or location.
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LONDON (Dow Jones)--Aer Lingus Group PLC (EIL1.DB) said Wednesday it has now disclosed to Cabin Crew representatives measures to achieve the cost savings originally contemplated under the cost reduction program announced in October 2009.
MAIN FACTS:
-Cabin Crew representatives were informed of the following applicable measures:
*Targeted compulsory redundancies at statutory minimum levels, including the de-layering of the Cabin Crew organization
*New working conditions to achieve increased productivity
*Transition to new pay scale including reduced salaries
*Reduction in variable pay
*Implementation of new Aer Lingus principles of employment
-Assuming the full implementation of all of the above measures, it is expected there will be approximately 230 less Cabin Crew in the organization and all remaining Cabin Crew employees will be on new contracts of employment.
MAIN FACTS:
-Cabin Crew representatives were informed of the following applicable measures:
*Targeted compulsory redundancies at statutory minimum levels, including the de-layering of the Cabin Crew organization
*New working conditions to achieve increased productivity
*Transition to new pay scale including reduced salaries
*Reduction in variable pay
*Implementation of new Aer Lingus principles of employment
-Assuming the full implementation of all of the above measures, it is expected there will be approximately 230 less Cabin Crew in the organization and all remaining Cabin Crew employees will be on new contracts of employment.
Deja vu, anybody? Dont say we didn't warn you.
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Lets hope BA implement something similar, will be good news all round, and to note, no mention of a union!
As a pilot in the company I DO feel that it is important that our cabin crew have union representation.
If the Aer Lingus fate was to befall our people I would be very disappointed.
However, BA cc need to join the real world PRONTO.
If that bunch of prats at lala land HQ call for a strike - I hope WW smashes it!!
If the Aer Lingus fate was to befall our people I would be very disappointed.
However, BA cc need to join the real world PRONTO.
If that bunch of prats at lala land HQ call for a strike - I hope WW smashes it!!
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The Air Lingus Cabin Crew union advised it's members to ACCEPT the proposals. It was the cabin crew who voted to reject them, despite continuous warnings as to what a rejection would mean for them. They therefore (quite literally) deserve the compulsory redundancies.
The difference here of course is that the union seems to be as clueless as the cc as to the probable outcome.
The difference here of course is that the union seems to be as clueless as the cc as to the probable outcome.
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There is no place for Unions in todays society. The market rate defines the contract you sign.
Whilst you may wish for a better contract, at the end of the day,what is on offer, is what is there, no more, no less. That at the end of the day is why there are more qualified CC available than there are positions to fill.
That is why bassa have no leverage in this dispute.
Whilst you may wish for a better contract, at the end of the day,what is on offer, is what is there, no more, no less. That at the end of the day is why there are more qualified CC available than there are positions to fill.
That is why bassa have no leverage in this dispute.