British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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You Tube video
You would be hard pressed to make it up yourself.
Here's a flavour - the word "retribution" was used I guess in an attempt to suggest intimidation on the part of BA. A definition I retrieved from Google states - retribution = "the act of correcting for your wrongdoing". Nuff said!
Here's a flavour - the word "retribution" was used I guess in an attempt to suggest intimidation on the part of BA. A definition I retrieved from Google states - retribution = "the act of correcting for your wrongdoing". Nuff said!
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Now I am fuming! Second jobs? Tax credit? At LHR - really?! What a gross misrepresentation of the truth - I am ashamed of the way crew are being portrayed.
Bassa/Unite have sunk to an all time new low claiming this when an awful lot of people in this country have actually suffered real financial hardship during this recession.
Stop living in Lalaland and get real
edited to add - and if this was focused at LGW only, it's Bassas fault they are the poor country cousins - Bassa still claim that that's what crew there voted for but only because Bassa couldn't be bothered to make them fully aware of the reality of what they were voting for.
Bassa/Unite have sunk to an all time new low claiming this when an awful lot of people in this country have actually suffered real financial hardship during this recession.
Stop living in Lalaland and get real
edited to add - and if this was focused at LGW only, it's Bassas fault they are the poor country cousins - Bassa still claim that that's what crew there voted for but only because Bassa couldn't be bothered to make them fully aware of the reality of what they were voting for.
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Oh dear.
That Utube film has done nobody any favours. These union people have been going on about how they don't earn very much, and then claim that 75% of crew earn a basic of £20K. Then comes the allowances etc. My basic is nowhere near that, and I think a lot of other crew will be annoyed with the £20K claim.
Just for the record, I don't want anyone to lose money. I'm not jealous of the money others earn.
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I am BA cabin crew and this is my own viewpoint and not that of BA.
That Utube film has done nobody any favours. These union people have been going on about how they don't earn very much, and then claim that 75% of crew earn a basic of £20K. Then comes the allowances etc. My basic is nowhere near that, and I think a lot of other crew will be annoyed with the £20K claim.
Just for the record, I don't want anyone to lose money. I'm not jealous of the money others earn.
Gg
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After due consideration, and some very thought provoking posts from the likes of Rover, I have to come to the conclusion that the PCC needs to be a new and INDEPENDENT organisation. If there is support for it, it needs no integration with the anachronistic BASSA diehards, nor the spineless CC89 folk who chose to hide under the UNITEBA umbrella.
Because what is the point of trying to change BASSA when, as bad as its current leadership are, it still has to answer to the two million UNITE sheep that foolishly allow themselves to be represented by Woodley, McLuskey,Turner et al, who don't give so much as a about the people that pay them but more about their own little power struggles and spheres of influence.
BA cabin crew need to distance themselves from this political nonsense (much of it fabricated or exacerbated by Malone and her self-serving cohort) and stick to what I think is their ideal: An independent organisation of intelligent, thoughtful cabin crew that realise they are part of a bigger scheme of things, and who wish to engage in meaningful negotations with ALL of BA's stakeholders to their mutual benefit.
Which put simply means if you can exclude these confrontational retards that run BASSA and UNITE, you'll find a heap of cabin crew, pilots, managers, baggage handlers, ground staff, shareholders and anyone else I might have forgotten to mention that realise that if you all work together, and talk to each other like adults, you can play for the same team and share the prizes that come with victory (first, survival and then profit).
Which of course is anathema to Malone and her boot lickers that are on obscene packages, skew the averages and don't generally give a toss about the people they are sending to do their dirty work.
So I remain of the opinion: VOTE NO AND RESIGN FROM BASSA!
But append it with: JOIN THE PCC!
Because what is the point of trying to change BASSA when, as bad as its current leadership are, it still has to answer to the two million UNITE sheep that foolishly allow themselves to be represented by Woodley, McLuskey,Turner et al, who don't give so much as a
about the people that pay them but more about their own little power struggles and spheres of influence.BA cabin crew need to distance themselves from this political nonsense (much of it fabricated or exacerbated by Malone and her self-serving cohort) and stick to what I think is their ideal: An independent organisation of intelligent, thoughtful cabin crew that realise they are part of a bigger scheme of things, and who wish to engage in meaningful negotations with ALL of BA's stakeholders to their mutual benefit.
Which put simply means if you can exclude these confrontational retards that run BASSA and UNITE, you'll find a heap of cabin crew, pilots, managers, baggage handlers, ground staff, shareholders and anyone else I might have forgotten to mention that realise that if you all work together, and talk to each other like adults, you can play for the same team and share the prizes that come with victory (first, survival and then profit).
Which of course is anathema to Malone and her boot lickers that are on obscene packages, skew the averages and don't generally give a toss about the people they are sending to do their dirty work.
So I remain of the opinion: VOTE NO AND RESIGN FROM BASSA!
But append it with: JOIN THE PCC!
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BASSA/Unite claim:
Does that mean that 75% have a basic of £20k or more or that 75% earn £20k or less?
It makes a big difference when you add on the
You really can't begin to underestimate the incompetence of BASSA propaganda - talk about shooting yourself in the foot - both barrels
.... that 75% of crew earn a basic of £20K
It makes a big difference when you add on the
... average of £16k for worldwide and £12k for Eurofleet [LGW numbers not given] allowances
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Desertia is quite correct in reminding me that BASSA is a branch of UNITE and whatever the PCC could achieve in breaking into the BASSA leadership, you would still be a branch of UNITE.
I think my slight concern is that however battered BASSA become, there will always be a following and with that compulsory recognition by BA. Negotiating with BA with three organisations representing the workforce is going to be troublesome.
I wish the new PCC well, I really do.
I think my slight concern is that however battered BASSA become, there will always be a following and with that compulsory recognition by BA. Negotiating with BA with three organisations representing the workforce is going to be troublesome.
I wish the new PCC well, I really do.
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I think my slight concern is that however battered BASSA become, there will always be a following and with that compulsory recognition by BA. Negotiating with BA with three organisations representing the workforce is going to be troublesome.
And I consider myself so involved that, and I apologise for repeating myself, if BASSA call a strike I will pay for a ticket out of my own pocket to fly BA for the first time in years. I will do this to support the people, employees, customers and supporters, that want to drive this cancerous cult out of the airline and allow it to survive and thrive.
As cynical as I am, I do believe the tide has turned. Malone should start thinking about getting her green card, if she hasn't done it already.
Everyone that has participated in this and the previous thread, who seek change: I urge you to get on that Youtube comments section; email the reporters that publish the BASSA lies; find blogs where this is being discussed and, if nothing else, at least make BASSA members aware that there is an alternative.
I have had enough conversation with the "BA led" (NOT!) PCC founders to know that their heart is in the right place, and I genuinely feel they could do more for BA Cabin crew in the next 6 months with our support than Malone and her cronies have ever done for the majority of cabin crew.
"Somehow it seemed as though the farm had grown richer without making the animals themselves any richer— except, of course, for the pigs and the dogs."
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Reason why BASSA is claiming BA only has received around 200 volunteers is because they want them to go out in public and reveal the actual figures!
A lot of focus on LGW in their video - no mention LGW has been operating with reduced crewing levels for years - and that it has been approved by BASSA.
La Pouquelaye - Either they are working or fed up with being constantly shouted at - let's be honest - some people weren't too friendly with them!
A lot of focus on LGW in their video - no mention LGW has been operating with reduced crewing levels for years - and that it has been approved by BASSA.
La Pouquelaye - Either they are working or fed up with being constantly shouted at - let's be honest - some people weren't too friendly with them!
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I am actually fuming! They certainly have done no favours whatsoever!! Do they actually think people will now start saying ''poor dears, those BA crew only get £20,000 as their basic salary for not even going to work. When they do go to work they get £14,000 in allowance on top of that now that is slave labour''. Worse thing is, where the heck did they get that figure from. Over 50% are now on the new contract (I think) and the max increment for that basic is a few thousand short of £20,000!!! I'm not sure on the old contract basic at LHR, but to say 75% of us are on £20,000 as our basic is ludicrous surely!?! The public know our allowances are around £10,000 - £16,000 on average (at LHR) so do your maths folks. Now the public will (still) be thinking we are all grossly overpaid idiots! Which as we know we are not (I am not disputing that at LHR we are paid more than other airlines on average, just I am saying that the figures given by the media and also by our very union that whinged about it, are grossly inaccurate!)
I actually am amazed that they have the cheek to mention LGW! Not to mention the confusion customers will have with regards to 75% of crew paid £20,00 basic plus allowances when LGW crew have to go on working tax credits! They haven't bothered to mention why there is the unfair inconsistency with LHR vs LGW earnings wise. It was the Unions fault really, if they truly cared about LGW then they would have put up more of a fight like they are doing now when it came to LGW fleeting/agreements changing!!
Anyway!
I actually am amazed that they have the cheek to mention LGW! Not to mention the confusion customers will have with regards to 75% of crew paid £20,00 basic plus allowances when LGW crew have to go on working tax credits! They haven't bothered to mention why there is the unfair inconsistency with LHR vs LGW earnings wise. It was the Unions fault really, if they truly cared about LGW then they would have put up more of a fight like they are doing now when it came to LGW fleeting/agreements changing!!
Anyway!
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Desertia - post 3316
I think you're being too hard on CC89. CC89 were part of Amicus. Then Amicus merged with T&GWU to form Unite. I don't believe they had a lot of say in that merger or whether they'd prefer to be independent. Unfortuneatly still don't know their membership numbers, but at most it's 22% of CC at BA. From the comments I've seen here CC89 were willing to negotiate & had done so.. just got overwhelmed by the da big bad BASSA...
Go PCC(C).
My opinions, not my employers.
the spineless CC89 folk who chose to hide under the UNITEBA umbrella
Go PCC(C).
My opinions, not my employers.
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I think you're being too hard on CC89. CC89 were part of Amicus. Then Amicus merged with T&GWU to form Unite. I don't believe they had a lot of say in that merger or whether they'd prefer to be independent. Unfortuneatly still don't know their membership numbers, but at most it's 22% of CC at BA. From the comments I've seen here CC89 were willing to negotiate & had done so.. just got overwhelmed by the da big bad BASSA...
I'll say it again: Spineless. Then again, we are talking about the "leaders" here....
I feel as sorry for CC89 members, who followed their leaders and have been betrayed, as I do for BASSA members.
They do not deserve the people that claim to represent them.
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Here's a nasty little bit of so-called "journalism":
Exposed: secrets of British Airways scab 'union'|30Jan10|Socialist Worker
Plenty of words, so few facts!
Still, at least it's a bit more publicity for the PCC.
I am BA Cabin Crew. These thoughts are my own, not those of my employer.
Exposed: secrets of British Airways scab 'union'|30Jan10|Socialist Worker
Plenty of words, so few facts!
Still, at least it's a bit more publicity for the PCC.
I am BA Cabin Crew. These thoughts are my own, not those of my employer.