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CFC, it may be you who has been listening to the fairy stories elsewhere...
...reading between the lines (with a little bit of knowledge of UK employment law) and speaking to various well-informed contacts, I would say CM's posting is pretty much how things will go. Time will tell, but if you think BA's legal department is taking 2 weeks off and quaking in its boots, you may be in for a surprise
...reading between the lines (with a little bit of knowledge of UK employment law) and speaking to various well-informed contacts, I would say CM's posting is pretty much how things will go. Time will tell, but if you think BA's legal department is taking 2 weeks off and quaking in its boots, you may be in for a surprise
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Just what another BASSA member thinks, anyone care to comment???
I was drawn to this forum by a quote from another crew member. It is run by pilots and media hackers. The comments I read on there are most vile and aimed at cabin crew and BASSA. I foolishly defended us and voiced an opinion. I was banned immediately by it's moderators. It is open to anyone with an email address. Unfortunately there are pilots looking at our BASSA forum and Crew forum. They are then going back to PPRUNE and slagging us off. So immature and childlike. They need to get a life and question if they are mentally fit in the head to command an aircraft. The general feeling on this vile forum is the absolute dislike for cabin crew and Bassa. Even comparing cabin crew to monkeys. This spread of hatred cannot be good for CRM. Or anything else for that matter. They seem not to have a clue as they think BAs proposals are most generous. One of their last postings was about the demise of BASSA and our own downfall. Is this the start of dirty tricks? Who knows. I just know all the idiots on there will be reading this. "Why do the pilot community not back us?" Afterall they have to think of their pensions and their crap life. I will not be visiting this website again as it is most vile and makes me angry and scares me that idiots like that are flying our planes.
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Not seen it done that way before! Interesting!
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Not seen it done that way before! Interesting!
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Even comparing cabin crew to monkeys.
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I'll have a quick go!
Amazingly hypocritical when we already know how 'reasonable' folk are being treated on CF and the BASSA forums, togther with the "vile" comments about pilots on same!
Well if you defend yourself foolishly, what do you expect? Banned, no doubt, because of a vitriolic and puerile personal attack with little or no substance behind it! Standard BASSA hissy-fit material? And they were banned by a moderator who is not a pilot but cabin crew! So much for the "It is run by pilots ..." nonsense.
Laugh? I nearly wet myself! Describing his/her own behaviour perfectly!
More of the same! " ..... mentally fit in the head ....." - mentally does mean involving the mind or an intellectual process, so surely no need to add the term "... in the head ..."?
Goodness me! Another perfect description of BASSA's behaviour! And they still don't understand that CRM can involve criticism as well!
There is this HUGE assumption that all BA pilots are on some massive pension! They forget that NAPS closed in April 2003 and that everyone employed by BA since then is in the BARP scheme, which is a plain old money-purchase thing and nothing at all special. I don't know the numbers, but there are loads cabin crew on bigger pensions than all the pilots employed in the last 6 years! And as for a "crap life"? Well, they can't have it both ways - they envy pilot Ts & Cs, and attempt to cherry-pick for their futile effort at late negotiation, but they don't want the "crap life" of a pilot! Pathetic!
Yet more juvenile invective, and since when were they 'your' planes? And, of course, banned from the forum so few want you back!
There is little more in that post than would expected of a 4-year old have a foot-stomping playground tantrum. Childish behaviour but he/she wants adult treatment - it ain't going to happen ............
I'll have a quick go!
The comments I read on there are most vile and aimed at cabin crew and BASSA.
I foolishly defended us and voiced an opinion. I was banned immediately by it's moderators.
Unfortunately there are pilots looking at our BASSA forum and Crew forum. They are then going back to PPRuNe and slagging us off. So immature and childlike.
They need to get a life and question if they are mentally fit in the head to command an aircraft.
This spread of hatred cannot be good for CRM.
After all they have to think of their pensions and their crap life.
I will not be visiting this website again as it is most vile and makes me angry and scares me that idiots like that are flying our planes.
There is little more in that post than would expected of a 4-year old have a foot-stomping playground tantrum. Childish behaviour but he/she wants adult treatment - it ain't going to happen ............
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Instead of slinging insults around and trying to bring the discussion down to the level of the playground, why not post your version of how things are likely to pan out, and in doing so rebut the points you disagree with?
If CM has a version of events that you feel is 'fictional', please use facts and not emotion to state your opinion - we would be interested to hear your version of the next few weeks, but without the angry insults that seem to characterise many postings from Bassa hardliners.
I am genuinely interested to hear what you think will happen.
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CM's timetable follows about the right course. However, there will be at least one attempt after 8th August to gain agreement. Printing presses will go back a week or two.
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Hardly a surprise. The claim of £60 million savings from the disruption agreement was ludicrously exaggerated and I found it suspicious that the vast majority of the other savings offered all seemed to round nicely to a multiple of a million pounds. A cynical observer might suggest that rather than calculating exactly what each saving was worth they'd just plucked the numbers out of thin air.
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Carnage Matey,a very good post exept you have missed a couple of points :
AMP covers pattern sickness which is sackable if they can show that on the strike days they had a disproportionate sickness level.
BASSA reps may be sued personally alongside a criminal prosecution.
As WW has said a strike is highly unlikely.The guy is on the money.
AMP covers pattern sickness which is sackable if they can show that on the strike days they had a disproportionate sickness level.
BASSA reps may be sued personally alongside a criminal prosecution.
As WW has said a strike is highly unlikely.The guy is on the money.
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Matt101,
In any event, WW was still on target with:
In any event, WW was still on target with:
maybe a more business like tone to their outpourings would help. A little less "changing Rooms " and a bit more Alan Sugar
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agreed I can't bear Carol Smiley but then Alan Sugar isn't exactly eloquent - shrewd, and a fantastic business man obviously, but "It's all a bloody shambles" may not get Bassa that far either 
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Are willie walsh and the leadership team, as on the money and on target with the cabin crew negotiations,as they were with their determination to expand open skies ?Another disastrous waste of money and an obvious mistake,but the management knows best !At least they have pulled the plug on the AMS-JFK as it's haemoraging cash at a colossal rate.Does anyone think the london city to new york route will be a great cash generator for BA ? if so,please put your name to it here and we will revisit this discussion in 6 months time.
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I wouldn't put money on it but as it is a fairly small op with a captive market in that part of the city it has far better potential to succeed.
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Sorry, I'm new here but is it possible to know why he someone is banned? Reading their post which was supportive of cabin crew (but not Bassa), I'm at a loss as to see what they've supposed to have done
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Does anyone think the london city to new york route will be a great cash generator for BA ? if so,please put your name to it here and we will revisit this discussion in 6 months time.
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Does anyone think the london city to new york route will be a great cash generator for BA ?
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sorry overstress - I could claim tiredness but I'd be lying I was just not paying attention to myself. (I do the same with the 3 "there's" quite often) - still, a bare Carol Smiley? you have a collection of photo's like these? 
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