British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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How's life? Hope you're doing well.
A long while ago (before the strike announcement) you said that 'a strike' over x-mass was probably a bit much and that you hoped for a strike after Jan 2nd. How do you feel about the action now chosen by BASSA management based on your mandate?
A long while ago (before the strike announcement) you said that 'a strike' over x-mass was probably a bit much and that you hoped for a strike after Jan 2nd. How do you feel about the action now chosen by BASSA management based on your mandate?
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BA are winning the propaganda war hands down (I particularly liked the WW image of crying grannies on the phone), but a management that has been out manouevered by its unions to the point where 82% of its cabin crew vote for a strike at one of the busiest times of the year is hardly covering itself in glory. Hard to imagine an irregularity in the ballot that would over turn that kind of majority.
And CC who expect their company to survive with crew costs twice the competition are not exactly showing a lot of smarts either.
BA (management and staff) have a business model that no longer works and have so alienated the frequent fliers on which it relied that they no longer care whether the airline survives or not. The sooner the ghost is laid to rest and something decent arises from the ashes the better.
And CC who expect their company to survive with crew costs twice the competition are not exactly showing a lot of smarts either.
BA (management and staff) have a business model that no longer works and have so alienated the frequent fliers on which it relied that they no longer care whether the airline survives or not. The sooner the ghost is laid to rest and something decent arises from the ashes the better.
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But the unions should remember that in the current climate no airline is safe, not even major flag carriers.
Nobody thought Sabena and Swissair would disappear, they did. The same could happen to BA.
Nobody thought Sabena and Swissair would disappear, they did. The same could happen to BA.
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Interview on GMTV this morning quote:
The general secretary of the Unite union, Derek Simpson, has admitted on GMTV that the proposed 12-day strike by BA cabin crew over the Christmas period was "unusual" and "probably over the top".
The general secretary of the Unite union, Derek Simpson, has admitted on GMTV that the proposed 12-day strike by BA cabin crew over the Christmas period was "unusual" and "probably over the top".
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Can only guess the company has made sure the injunction fails.
The last thing the company wants is for the strike to be called off.
The union may call off the strike if it wakes up in time, but a long history of running companies and calling the shots is hard to walk away from, BA CC union is at that so called tipping point.
The long term future of the company needs CC T+Cs to be reduced big time, the company can then move on to reduce many many other staff who have similar or better T+Cs than the CC.
And as for a time and place, this is neither. "JL" respect to all involved, many lessons learned, can only guess many many lives also saved, Respect to all.
The last thing the company wants is for the strike to be called off.
The union may call off the strike if it wakes up in time, but a long history of running companies and calling the shots is hard to walk away from, BA CC union is at that so called tipping point.
The long term future of the company needs CC T+Cs to be reduced big time, the company can then move on to reduce many many other staff who have similar or better T+Cs than the CC.
And as for a time and place, this is neither. "JL" respect to all involved, many lessons learned, can only guess many many lives also saved, Respect to all.
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The general secretary of the Unite union, Derek Simpson, has admitted on GMTV that the proposed 12-day strike by BA cabin crew over the Christmas period was "unusual" and "probably over the top".
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Had the vote been for striking for 12 days over Christmas, I wonder if the result would have been the same?
I suspect not, but will never know I guess.
It's an overreaction that only serves to align cabin crew with bankers..! Which is a very large shame.
I suspect not, but will never know I guess.
It's an overreaction that only serves to align cabin crew with bankers..! Which is a very large shame.
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I have just watched the You Tube ballot results - I'm appalled that CC can cheer and clap when they know they are going to ruin thousands and thousands of holidays - its beyond belief and very shaming
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If these talks are going ahead at 1500GMT then that's another small victory for BA..... Unite said they would only talk and negotiate if the imposition of reduced Cabin Crew and the threat of new fleet was removed.
Unless I missed the announcement were the crewing levels were changed back then Unite have folded on that one.... I wonder if Unite is shafting BASSA behind it's back again.... If I was a BASSA bigwig, I'd be worried that the conversation was out of my hands, especially when we know what power hungry meglomaniacs they are!
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Unless I missed the announcement were the crewing levels were changed back then Unite have folded on that one.... I wonder if Unite is shafting BASSA behind it's back again.... If I was a BASSA bigwig, I'd be worried that the conversation was out of my hands, especially when we know what power hungry meglomaniacs they are!
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Unless I missed the announcement were the crewing levels were changed back then Unite have folded on that one
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The imposition of the BA management conditions on the cc already has a legal challenge pending in feb. Why then is this strike action going ahead?
Surely it is uncalled for on that point alone?
As for junior FO's and what they earn compared to establisd long career CC. I dont think anyone disputes the effort people put into their work but some people completely disregard the hierarchy within companies. Should a 40 something yr old with 15 years experience working nights in a factory earn more than a mid twenty yr old new manager product of the graduate trainee program?
Should Willie Walsh earn less than check in staff because he has been here only a few years? There is a pecking order in companies due to the level of responsibility your position holds.
Ask yourself what is the order of command onboard the aircraft? Then ask if it is fair the people with the higher authority earn less than those lower done the chain!
Surely it is uncalled for on that point alone?
As for junior FO's and what they earn compared to establisd long career CC. I dont think anyone disputes the effort people put into their work but some people completely disregard the hierarchy within companies. Should a 40 something yr old with 15 years experience working nights in a factory earn more than a mid twenty yr old new manager product of the graduate trainee program?
Should Willie Walsh earn less than check in staff because he has been here only a few years? There is a pecking order in companies due to the level of responsibility your position holds.
Ask yourself what is the order of command onboard the aircraft? Then ask if it is fair the people with the higher authority earn less than those lower done the chain!
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They have agreed to meet BA but Woodley is still saying under no circumstances will the strike threat be removed until imposition is "suspended and rosters restored" "pause for peace" blah blah
Can't see WW can or WILL do that ?? So just seems they are playing PR games - WW has the public on his side, if he gives in, the BASSA monster continues......
They have both taken such entrenched positions, can't see how either can back down, guess they will both be hoping the court offers them each a way out......personally I think WW has the public and a growing number of crew.....
Can't see WW can or WILL do that ?? So just seems they are playing PR games - WW has the public on his side, if he gives in, the BASSA monster continues......
They have both taken such entrenched positions, can't see how either can back down, guess they will both be hoping the court offers them each a way out......personally I think WW has the public and a growing number of crew.....
Reminds me years ago of a staff meeting with a well respected (but now long gone) charter airline when the engineers were complaining why didn't they get increments like the pilots did!
The CEO replied "If you want pilot's pay then become a pilot!"
The CEO replied "If you want pilot's pay then become a pilot!"
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Perhaps the original poster could come up with a justification for the "red-ring" policy, although I doubt it.
I see some reason for an interim policy of this type, but permanent, it's disgraceful!
Perhaps the original poster could come up with a justification for the "red-ring" policy, although I doubt it.
I see some reason for an interim policy of this type, but permanent, it's disgraceful!
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Ladyxxxx,
You make a fair point about the whooping and cheering by Unite members . They shouldn't have done so.
But what about the whooping , cheering and high-fiving that occurred at Waterside when Bill Francis announced the imposition of new crewing levels to all managers present. That was almost disturbing.
What goes around comes around I'm afraid.
You make a fair point about the whooping and cheering by Unite members . They shouldn't have done so.
But what about the whooping , cheering and high-fiving that occurred at Waterside when Bill Francis announced the imposition of new crewing levels to all managers present. That was almost disturbing.
What goes around comes around I'm afraid.