British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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Electricflyer, new to the forum?
You said .....
You are giving me the impression you very happy with the ballot result?
It's comments like yours that vindicate why I left the union and why we are also extremely lean but not mean, I prefer reasonable.
Enjoy youself, while it lasts!
As for Unite/BASSA and their minions, the nearest comparison is a rabid dog which will attack anything until someone puts a bullet in it's head. Can I hear a rifle being cocked somewhere?"
The tiger is lean and mean and the only rifle being cocked will be the City's with the cross hairs unerringly pointed at the senior management's temple.
Sorry to be so bellicose but £50 million quid a day losses wont cut it after day 4 let alone day 10 of the strike.
The tiger is lean and mean and the only rifle being cocked will be the City's with the cross hairs unerringly pointed at the senior management's temple.
Sorry to be so bellicose but £50 million quid a day losses wont cut it after day 4 let alone day 10 of the strike.
It's comments like yours that vindicate why I left the union and why we are also extremely lean but not mean, I prefer reasonable.
Enjoy youself, while it lasts!
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I do - Actually I'm very tempted myself to pass the picket line in uniform on way to CRC.
I will enjoy looking at the picket line as we fly off! Anyone want to join me?
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How seriously are the company going to take allegations of bullying during this whole affair from now on??
My prediction: there are going to be some hostile flights tomorrow and the week ahead; probably too many allegations to even bother investigating. Customer service is seriously going to be affected as a result.
This is what happens when you give stupid people power!!!! The Americans found that out to their cost until Obama took the mantle!
And for those of you who think this is only a CC/Mgmt problem, I suggest you think about the ramifications of what this adverse publicity will do to all of us. If this goes ahead, we're ALL screwed!!!!
My prediction: there are going to be some hostile flights tomorrow and the week ahead; probably too many allegations to even bother investigating. Customer service is seriously going to be affected as a result.
This is what happens when you give stupid people power!!!! The Americans found that out to their cost until Obama took the mantle!
And for those of you who think this is only a CC/Mgmt problem, I suggest you think about the ramifications of what this adverse publicity will do to all of us. If this goes ahead, we're ALL screwed!!!!
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The tiger is lean and mean and the only rifle being cocked will be the City's with the cross hairs unerringly pointed at the senior management's temple.
OK, I concede that the ballot result was a triumph for BASSA, no question, but then again what do you expect when you feed the membership with a load of bull over the weeks and months leading up to it, and most members think that all it will take is a Yes vote to oust WW?
Where we are now though, is not the end, maybe not even the beginning of the end, more like just the end of the beginning (to borrow a quote).
From here, the game will ratchet up very rapidly with CC being innundated with possible consequences and ramifications from the company, causing fear and uncertainty and the feeling of isolation. The possibility of losing your job and income will be explained, and doubtless the company will be calling your phone to ask you about your intentions. They will offer help if you are doubting but point out all the worst eventualities if you decide to not report/go sick. I don't believe that BASSA have put in place any real support structures other than an offer to call a rep!
In parallel, BA will be exploiting all legal avenues to have the strike ballot declared invalid - that will be down to the courts.
Given a strike date called for 22nd, the no-shows will start from about 19th, imho, for those on 5 day trips on longhaul. A departure on 19th would return to LHR on 23rd, and hence be reliant on a departure the previous day (the first day of a strike). This would expose those people to a risk of being stranded downroute for an additional fortnight, and hence potentially miss a Xmas with their family at home. The knock-on affect of this is for crews on HSB/QRS to be called to cover these gaps in crewing from this weekend onwards which may then screw their festive plans.
One thing for sure, Doctors notes are going to be in demand, and the stress levels will ramp up dramatically in the next 3-4 days.
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Another one here who'll be turning-up for work as normal. Have already contacted my manager to say any roster changes are OK with me. Another option for those not striking, but finding themselves without flights, would be to go work in the terminal, where I'm sure any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
While I'm working on the 22nd (and onwards) I'll be hoping that those not turning-up will be getting a rather unwelcome letter from the company, setting them free from all that they apparently hate so much.
Watching Skynews, they keep showing a male crewmember "lampshading" the glass while handing out a bottle of wine ...... you'd think that being filmed, people might at least try to stick to service standards!
my views and opinions are mine ..... all mine
While I'm working on the 22nd (and onwards) I'll be hoping that those not turning-up will be getting a rather unwelcome letter from the company, setting them free from all that they apparently hate so much.
Watching Skynews, they keep showing a male crewmember "lampshading" the glass while handing out a bottle of wine ...... you'd think that being filmed, people might at least try to stick to service standards!
my views and opinions are mine ..... all mine
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A wonderful freudian slip by WW on 5 live this evening.
On being asked about the imposition, he said that after 9 MINUTES of negotiation they had got nowhere. He was of course corrected, as it was pointed out that it was 9 months.
Think he had it right first time!
On being asked about the imposition, he said that after 9 MINUTES of negotiation they had got nowhere. He was of course corrected, as it was pointed out that it was 9 months.
Think he had it right first time!
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Lads and Lasses out there in la-la land... If only you realized how much anger the public will have against the CC and Unions once their holidays get wrecked, BA Management will not come under fire.
I would try getting a job with VS now whilst they still have room..
I would try getting a job with VS now whilst they still have room..
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Shame nobody corrected Loon Mcklusky when he claimed that 92.5% of members had voted yes.
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Mr Branson must be rubbing his hands what a great early christmas present ! Well done CC you have proved beyond doubt what alot of people actually thought,next step for you Little Chef,see how you get by on £12k a year for virtually the same job...........
yes i know about the safety first,and have worked as a licensed engineer for over 30 year,but i suppose this pales in to insignificance when compared to the pressure you guys must be on.
Merry Christmas (for some)
yes i know about the safety first,and have worked as a licensed engineer for over 30 year,but i suppose this pales in to insignificance when compared to the pressure you guys must be on.
Merry Christmas (for some)
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Hello
Hello everyone, this is my first post on here and thought I just have to post as I am worried sick about where this dispute is going.
Firstly, I voted No but have not felt able to tell people on line as I am worried about my name getting reported to the Bassa office ( or worse). I also take the view that the majority of crew are confused about what this dispute is about. Most think it is about 'New fleet' when it is actually about the imposition.
I am not sure where to go from here? Resign from the union? Maybe I should join HiFlyer's committee?!
All I know is that I will report for work on the 22nd , but and this is a big BUT - will people make my life hell on line when the dispute is over? Will I have to cross a picket line? (I would really rather not do this?)If I remember correctly, the BAA might have some kind of plan when it comes to stuff like this as I can't see them letting a picket take place in Terminal 5?
Also thought I might let you all know, as it does not seem to be on here : The BASSA rep elections were held about a month ago and the results are out and you can see them on the BASSA website to see who represents you on your fleet. It seems like the 'show of hands' at the last meeting to delay the elections were ignored. Maybe they (Bassa) were not allowed to delay the elections? Just a thought.
Sorry for my rambling post but thought I would just let you know we (BA CC) are not all militants and I am very very angry with the union for putting us in this position.
Thanks for reading
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Firstly, I voted No but have not felt able to tell people on line as I am worried about my name getting reported to the Bassa office ( or worse). I also take the view that the majority of crew are confused about what this dispute is about. Most think it is about 'New fleet' when it is actually about the imposition.
I am not sure where to go from here? Resign from the union? Maybe I should join HiFlyer's committee?!
All I know is that I will report for work on the 22nd , but and this is a big BUT - will people make my life hell on line when the dispute is over? Will I have to cross a picket line? (I would really rather not do this?)If I remember correctly, the BAA might have some kind of plan when it comes to stuff like this as I can't see them letting a picket take place in Terminal 5?
Also thought I might let you all know, as it does not seem to be on here : The BASSA rep elections were held about a month ago and the results are out and you can see them on the BASSA website to see who represents you on your fleet. It seems like the 'show of hands' at the last meeting to delay the elections were ignored. Maybe they (Bassa) were not allowed to delay the elections? Just a thought.
Sorry for my rambling post but thought I would just let you know we (BA CC) are not all militants and I am very very angry with the union for putting us in this position.
Thanks for reading
AD
That's right. BA is a business. And 'the city' are business people. And I can guarantee that they detest the sort of outdated workplace practices and union interference that erode profitability. Yes, BA will take a hit on this strike. But that will be a one off exceptional cost in return for permanent improvements in earnings. That's why the city are on, and will remain on Willie Walsh's side.
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Should the rumour of Ex temps being contacted today for "a quick SEP revalidation" away from Cranebank, be taken with a pinch of salt.
Or are BA being very clever keeping the temps out of harms way for its "strikers" ??..
Lets all hope its part of BA's plan for a stronger future overturning the unreasonable power Unite seem to have over the daily BA operation.
Good luck to all those that don't want to strike, have already taken pay or hours cuts and want to see passengers and planes flying over Xmas..
Unite have fired the bullet in their own suicide, lets hope they suceed in killing themselves. They do appear to be a cancer in what could be a great airline.
Or are BA being very clever keeping the temps out of harms way for its "strikers" ??..
Lets all hope its part of BA's plan for a stronger future overturning the unreasonable power Unite seem to have over the daily BA operation.
Good luck to all those that don't want to strike, have already taken pay or hours cuts and want to see passengers and planes flying over Xmas..
Unite have fired the bullet in their own suicide, lets hope they suceed in killing themselves. They do appear to be a cancer in what could be a great airline.
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disappointed and anxious
As a frequent BA international traveler, I'm very disappointed by this
Looks like my family is likely to be stuck in India because of this - Thanks for the Christmas gift BASSA/Unite..
I really hope the cabin crew that voted for this reconsider, nothwithstanding all the justification in the world for some sort of action. This is not going to hurt upper management who typically get to walk away with generous severance packages onto another management job that pays handsomely. The folks going to be hurt the most by this are you, the cabin crew. Even the passengers are only going to have temporary inconveniences for which they are going to curse you, the cabin crew, and then move on to picking some other airline next time.
Please think and analyze your situation before such drastic action.
Looks like my family is likely to be stuck in India because of this - Thanks for the Christmas gift BASSA/Unite..
I really hope the cabin crew that voted for this reconsider, nothwithstanding all the justification in the world for some sort of action. This is not going to hurt upper management who typically get to walk away with generous severance packages onto another management job that pays handsomely. The folks going to be hurt the most by this are you, the cabin crew. Even the passengers are only going to have temporary inconveniences for which they are going to curse you, the cabin crew, and then move on to picking some other airline next time.
Please think and analyze your situation before such drastic action.
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I genuinely sympathise with your anxiety. BA will do their utmost to ensure you are able to work completely unmolested should you so desire. However they cannot guarantee your anonymity.
Rest assured there will be very, very many CC in exactly the same situation, and with exactly the same worries. Many, many flights will operate, of that I feel certain. All I can say is this: Those who simply fail to turn up for a duty, or even openly declare themselves to be on strike by attending a picket line, are unlikely to be employed by BA for long, for exactly the reasons you have alluded to! This is a safety critical environment in which we work, and any 'animosity' is simply not acceptable!
When it comes down to it though, I'm afraid you just have to follow your heart and stand up for what you believe in. It's the only way to respect yourself.
Good luck to you. There will be many of us looking out for your welfare.
I genuinely sympathise with your anxiety. BA will do their utmost to ensure you are able to work completely unmolested should you so desire. However they cannot guarantee your anonymity.
Rest assured there will be very, very many CC in exactly the same situation, and with exactly the same worries. Many, many flights will operate, of that I feel certain. All I can say is this: Those who simply fail to turn up for a duty, or even openly declare themselves to be on strike by attending a picket line, are unlikely to be employed by BA for long, for exactly the reasons you have alluded to! This is a safety critical environment in which we work, and any 'animosity' is simply not acceptable!
When it comes down to it though, I'm afraid you just have to follow your heart and stand up for what you believe in. It's the only way to respect yourself.
Good luck to you. There will be many of us looking out for your welfare.
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Hi Atlas
I'm sure you're one of many who will want to work.
A significant reason for Willie to show the strikers the door is to protect loyal cabin crew, of whom there are many reading now. Few were really expecting a strike!
There won't be a picket line on BAA or BA property - they'll be restricted to groups of max 6 picketers somewhere on the Bath Rd. Screens will be ereceted around the car park. Go in by train or bus perhaps. Let your manager know you'll be coming in.
BA must be rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of getting rid of the troublemakers, and an extra 1000 or so to save the costs of compulsory redundancy.
Does Willie have the cojones? We'll soon see!
Also, sometimes in life you have to do what you think is right! I'm sure you're scared , but at least you'll have a job, and be able to look yourself in the mirror.
Good luck, I admire you.
I'm sure you're one of many who will want to work.
A significant reason for Willie to show the strikers the door is to protect loyal cabin crew, of whom there are many reading now. Few were really expecting a strike!
There won't be a picket line on BAA or BA property - they'll be restricted to groups of max 6 picketers somewhere on the Bath Rd. Screens will be ereceted around the car park. Go in by train or bus perhaps. Let your manager know you'll be coming in.
BA must be rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of getting rid of the troublemakers, and an extra 1000 or so to save the costs of compulsory redundancy.
Does Willie have the cojones? We'll soon see!
Also, sometimes in life you have to do what you think is right! I'm sure you're scared , but at least you'll have a job, and be able to look yourself in the mirror.
Good luck, I admire you.
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Welcome to the forum where you can ask open questions like that - I doubt that you could do it elsewhere.
Clearly and understandably you are concerned about the ramifications of your future working life.
Firstly, in the past, BA have made arrangements for crew who wish to report to be kept away from any picket line that there may be. They have done this via remote parking, use of legislation re where picketing can occur, and the use of buses that are obscured from external eyes, preventing recognition of those inside.
Secondly, it is illegal to strike if you are not a member of the union calling a strike. So, resigning from the union would give you a legitimate reason (if asked) to say you worked. It would possibly be prudent to avoid such confrontation by saying that you were on leave or something, depending on whether you wish to put your head above the parapet.
Be reassured however though that in the next few days BA will be writing to you explaining the facilities that they will put in place to enable you to report securely for work. Furthermore, rest assured that anyone else you work with will be in the same boat and of the same opinion as yourself.
Well done
Welcome to the forum where you can ask open questions like that - I doubt that you could do it elsewhere.
Clearly and understandably you are concerned about the ramifications of your future working life.
Firstly, in the past, BA have made arrangements for crew who wish to report to be kept away from any picket line that there may be. They have done this via remote parking, use of legislation re where picketing can occur, and the use of buses that are obscured from external eyes, preventing recognition of those inside.
Secondly, it is illegal to strike if you are not a member of the union calling a strike. So, resigning from the union would give you a legitimate reason (if asked) to say you worked. It would possibly be prudent to avoid such confrontation by saying that you were on leave or something, depending on whether you wish to put your head above the parapet.
Be reassured however though that in the next few days BA will be writing to you explaining the facilities that they will put in place to enable you to report securely for work. Furthermore, rest assured that anyone else you work with will be in the same boat and of the same opinion as yourself.
Well done
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Welcome.
Don't be worrying too much .... you won't be alone.
BF has just sent an email which I think may go someway to settling your worries. And there will be much more info in the coming few days.
See you on the 22nd ... with our heads held high.
Don't be worrying too much .... you won't be alone.
BF has just sent an email which I think may go someway to settling your worries. And there will be much more info in the coming few days.
See you on the 22nd ... with our heads held high.
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Hello everyone and thank you for the welcome. I am going to follow my heart and do what I believe in. And thats to go to work, come what may. Messing up peoples christmas plans because of an imposition is wrong. IMHO wrong fight, wrong time. So is a 12 day strike for that reason ( although I really don't think it will last that long).
I will take all steps I can to protect myself and ring my manager for advice tomorrrow.
Glad I found this forum, where I can speak my mind and not get shouted down ( unlike CF or BASSA). I actually found out its existence from the BASSA website where someone was complaining about it! How ironic is that?
Anyway, will post more when I have something else to say and I really hope that others, like me, are reading this too thinking they are not alone.
Thank you for reading
A slightly less worried AD
I will take all steps I can to protect myself and ring my manager for advice tomorrrow.
Glad I found this forum, where I can speak my mind and not get shouted down ( unlike CF or BASSA). I actually found out its existence from the BASSA website where someone was complaining about it! How ironic is that?
Anyway, will post more when I have something else to say and I really hope that others, like me, are reading this too thinking they are not alone.
Thank you for reading
A slightly less worried AD
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AtlasDrawer,
Welcome - glad you found us - and a huge well done. You were able to seriously consider the ramifications of what this will do to customers, to employees, to BA and to families across the world and you voted appropriately. Us No voters can and will go to work. You are not alone, and we will not allow the bullies to prevent us from doing so.
I too actually feel scared, even though I have voted No and always knew I would not strike. So just think what the Yes voters must be feeling - absolutely petrified. That's why we haven't heard from them on here - the Union has overstepped the mark now. Asking them to strike OVER CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR, and FOR 12 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
They will all be thinking - this isn't what I meant when I ticked the YES box. Well, I'm afraid we did warn you. What did you expect from a Union that knows no morals, and is simply on a Power struggle against WW?
Personally, I do hope that WW is gathering the temps. And I sincerely hope that it puts this outdated, selfish Union out of work. Once and for all. It will be worth crossing the picket line for that reason alone.
Oh - and you'd be more than welcome on our Committee!! Chin Up.
I am BA cabin crew, and the above represents my own view and not that of BA.
Welcome - glad you found us - and a huge well done. You were able to seriously consider the ramifications of what this will do to customers, to employees, to BA and to families across the world and you voted appropriately. Us No voters can and will go to work. You are not alone, and we will not allow the bullies to prevent us from doing so.
I too actually feel scared, even though I have voted No and always knew I would not strike. So just think what the Yes voters must be feeling - absolutely petrified. That's why we haven't heard from them on here - the Union has overstepped the mark now. Asking them to strike OVER CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR, and FOR 12 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
They will all be thinking - this isn't what I meant when I ticked the YES box. Well, I'm afraid we did warn you. What did you expect from a Union that knows no morals, and is simply on a Power struggle against WW?
Personally, I do hope that WW is gathering the temps. And I sincerely hope that it puts this outdated, selfish Union out of work. Once and for all. It will be worth crossing the picket line for that reason alone.
Oh - and you'd be more than welcome on our Committee!! Chin Up.
I am BA cabin crew, and the above represents my own view and not that of BA.
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BA passengers - I am truly sorry for the (intended) actions of my CC "colleagues"