British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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Matt101,
Maybe I wasn't clear on that . Of course I accept that punters give BA revenue and in turn help pay their wages. And for that , during these times especially, they are grateful.
What I meant was the cabin crew do not owe the public a favour by sewing together everybody's holiday plans and performing a Christmas service just because it's Christmas. This dispute could have happened during the autumn but Walsh chose to string it out so that the ballot would occur now. That is not the fault of BASSA.
This strike was engineered by BA to afford cabin crew as little public sympathy as possible.
Yeah... good luck spinning it that way but it doesn't pass the smell test.
Maybe I wasn't clear on that . Of course I accept that punters give BA revenue and in turn help pay their wages. And for that , during these times especially, they are grateful.
What I meant was the cabin crew do not owe the public a favour by sewing together everybody's holiday plans and performing a Christmas service just because it's Christmas. This dispute could have happened during the autumn but Walsh chose to string it out so that the ballot would occur now. That is not the fault of BASSA.
This strike was engineered by BA to afford cabin crew as little public sympathy as possible.
Yeah... good luck spinning it that way but it doesn't pass the smell test.
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Matt101,
Maybe I wasn't clear on that . Of course I accept that punters give BA revenue and in turn help pay their wages. And for that , during these times especially, they are grateful.
What I meant was the cabin crew do not owe the public a favour by sewing together everybody's holiday plans and performing a Christmas service just because it's Christmas. This dispute could have happened during the autumn but Walsh chose to string it out so that the ballot would occur now. That is not the fault of BASSA.
Maybe I wasn't clear on that . Of course I accept that punters give BA revenue and in turn help pay their wages. And for that , during these times especially, they are grateful.
What I meant was the cabin crew do not owe the public a favour by sewing together everybody's holiday plans and performing a Christmas service just because it's Christmas. This dispute could have happened during the autumn but Walsh chose to string it out so that the ballot would occur now. That is not the fault of BASSA.
BA's business is built on customer loyalty as, lets face it, you can get more for less elsewhere these days. Increasingly it's the off flight services offered to the Exec members that help with repeat business and we all remember the dull presentations of what percentages of revenue come from each tier and what each gold card member is worth.
What I am saying is that pointing out that essentially you aren't bothered about the customers plight as yours is worse is not going to win you support or help to return business levels post the strike.
I am gutted that it has come to this for all involved. I am not in favour of the strike but it's your right to vote for it regardless and that right I would always defend at least. Just please proceed carefully.
Times are hard aye.
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A very rude awakening is coming to anyone voting yes, without the resolve to "walk the walk"!
This has the potential to get very, very nasty. However BA will survive without the 1970s 'throwbacks'!
If I was CC rostered to report on 22nd, I don't think I would be sleeping very well over the next week! Unless I was planning to work of course!
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I was reasonably neutral until getting off the aircraft this afternoon. The crew heard the result and one girl in particular gave a whoop of joy. About 10 min later came the dates and she said that she was going to Cairo on the 21st, wil she get back? I said there may be aircraft going, but who knows. She then said she wouldn't do the trip
So much for solidarity. You vote for a strike and take all the consequences, even if in it's wisdom your union decides to call for action over Christmas.
Pathetic.
So much for solidarity. You vote for a strike and take all the consequences, even if in it's wisdom your union decides to call for action over Christmas.
Pathetic.
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I really thought BASSA would have the tactical/PR sense to slide the strike to 2-3rd Jan - that would still hurt the Company and they could have played the "we don't want to ruin our customers holiday" line. As it is they have chosen, either out of lack of thought or deliberate sheer b****dy mindedness, to hit the holiday season. They deserve all the kicking they get.
I'm really, really not a Cabin crew hater, many of them do a great job and they're in for a nasty few weeks, but BASSA can go to ****....and that's putting my thoughts politely!
I really thought BASSA would have the tactical/PR sense to slide the strike to 2-3rd Jan - that would still hurt the Company and they could have played the "we don't want to ruin our customers holiday" line. As it is they have chosen, either out of lack of thought or deliberate sheer b****dy mindedness, to hit the holiday season. They deserve all the kicking they get.
I'm really, really not a Cabin crew hater, many of them do a great job and they're in for a nasty few weeks, but BASSA can go to ****....and that's putting my thoughts politely!
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9 to 1 eh!
For what? Christmas at home! You don't think this is going to make a difference to your job do you? You'll likely be out of one shortly and what will Unite do? Damn all is the answer.
BASSA were determined to see you take action and I suspect they don't even know what they were doing it for. Luddites is what they are and where has that ever got the workers, ask the old mill workers and they will tell you. You will suffer for sure and it breaks my heart to see it but you are also going to break the hearts of mum's, dad's and their children AND loads of grandparents too. Worse! You are probably going to sacrifice your jobs. That is what Luddites did up north. Now they are doing it down here. The backlash is going to be severe and anyone who thinks differently might as well start believing in Santa again. The silly grin on face of the blonde at Sandown is, unfortunately, done for the cameras, it will do nothing for public feelings. You are in fact stabbing each other in the back.
I see that someone is worried that there is no defence of the action. Well, well what do you expect? A pat on the back that says how clever you all were for taking part in this ridiculously suicidal action? No way. The fact is, I'm afraid, you have bitten the hand that feeds you and you have been 'trained' to do this by BASSA, the Luddites who don't give a damn about you. They are merely trying to be good union men like Scargill, Red Robbo, Jack Dash and Jack Jones - getting you to submit to their old fashioned ideas and ideals that were set in the 1920's and, which have NO place in 2009. Its a union's job these days to keep employers contented but someone in there lost the plot.
Look around you. Who accepted some tightening of their belts while you where cow towing to BASSA while they were perfectly happy to risk your jobs. How is that good for you?
Take a look at the postmen. Have you taken a look lately? You should, because they will be thinned down dramatically when the entrepreneurs get to grips with taking the postal services out of their hands - and they will.
What about BA, the hand that feeds you? What will you say when they have to cut your jobs and many of your colleagues. You should have taken note of the FD crews and engineers not - BASSA.
There is still time to tell BASSA you don't want to strike after all and keep on working. 9 days is probably not long enough but there ya go, you've done it now and I cannot see how you can come out smelling of anything but the crap that BASSA have thrown at you.
Bear one thing in mind. Lemmings, as far as we know, still don't know why they throw themselves off cliffs! BASSA are pushing you over it though.
BASSA were determined to see you take action and I suspect they don't even know what they were doing it for. Luddites is what they are and where has that ever got the workers, ask the old mill workers and they will tell you. You will suffer for sure and it breaks my heart to see it but you are also going to break the hearts of mum's, dad's and their children AND loads of grandparents too. Worse! You are probably going to sacrifice your jobs. That is what Luddites did up north. Now they are doing it down here. The backlash is going to be severe and anyone who thinks differently might as well start believing in Santa again. The silly grin on face of the blonde at Sandown is, unfortunately, done for the cameras, it will do nothing for public feelings. You are in fact stabbing each other in the back.
I see that someone is worried that there is no defence of the action. Well, well what do you expect? A pat on the back that says how clever you all were for taking part in this ridiculously suicidal action? No way. The fact is, I'm afraid, you have bitten the hand that feeds you and you have been 'trained' to do this by BASSA, the Luddites who don't give a damn about you. They are merely trying to be good union men like Scargill, Red Robbo, Jack Dash and Jack Jones - getting you to submit to their old fashioned ideas and ideals that were set in the 1920's and, which have NO place in 2009. Its a union's job these days to keep employers contented but someone in there lost the plot.
Look around you. Who accepted some tightening of their belts while you where cow towing to BASSA while they were perfectly happy to risk your jobs. How is that good for you?
Take a look at the postmen. Have you taken a look lately? You should, because they will be thinned down dramatically when the entrepreneurs get to grips with taking the postal services out of their hands - and they will.
What about BA, the hand that feeds you? What will you say when they have to cut your jobs and many of your colleagues. You should have taken note of the FD crews and engineers not - BASSA.
There is still time to tell BASSA you don't want to strike after all and keep on working. 9 days is probably not long enough but there ya go, you've done it now and I cannot see how you can come out smelling of anything but the crap that BASSA have thrown at you.
Bear one thing in mind. Lemmings, as far as we know, still don't know why they throw themselves off cliffs! BASSA are pushing you over it though.
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Runway vacated,
Glad I livened up a pretty grim day. Needless to say, I have plenty more ludicrous soundbites taken from the erstwhile B'aath party!!
Only need to ask!
Glad I livened up a pretty grim day. Needless to say, I have plenty more ludicrous soundbites taken from the erstwhile B'aath party!!
Only need to ask!
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Since the ballot result the support for the action is one post over three pages. Speaks volumes but fair play to you for sticking to your guns.
Passengers reading this, I understand that my wages come from your pockets; hopefully you will fly with us again after the dispute has been resolved, I am very very sorry.
We will now see what breed the tiger in the corner is; im betting toothless or paper.
What I can say is that the RingMaster is back and choosing his biggest whip to get this Circus of an airline back on track!
Be Afraid, wrong fight wrong time.
Passengers reading this, I understand that my wages come from your pockets; hopefully you will fly with us again after the dispute has been resolved, I am very very sorry.
We will now see what breed the tiger in the corner is; im betting toothless or paper.
What I can say is that the RingMaster is back and choosing his biggest whip to get this Circus of an airline back on track!
Be Afraid, wrong fight wrong time.
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How about a CEO whose salary was £350,000 pa 4 years ago and has awarded himself increase after increase, bonus after bonus to all and sundry at board level; who now enjoys a monstrous £838,000 basic package.
That's why he is the CEO and not a striking UNITE member!
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I'm really, really not a Cabin crew hater, many of them do a great job and they're in for a nasty few weeks, but BASSA can go to ****....and that's putting my thought politely!
As for Unite/BASSA and their minions, the nearest comparison is a rabid dog which will attack anything until someone puts a bullet in it's head. Can I hear a rifle being cocked somewhere?
Meltdown certainly but when?
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I have booked a trip to South America in late January. I don't doubt that the strike will be over by then but I do doubt that British Airways will be trading by then. In the best conceivable circumstances most airlines will be out of business in ten years - which is why I am doing my post-retirement long haul flying in the near future while it is still possible.
If this strike takes place and is well supported, I am not sure BA or its pension fund will exist ten weeks from today's date.
What you idiots fail to understand is that BA is not a charity run by the voluntary benevolence of the cabin crew. They owe nothing to any member of the public who flies with BA. Amazing eh, but an airline is a business.
If this strike takes place and is well supported, I am not sure BA or its pension fund will exist ten weeks from today's date.
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BA passengers - I am truly sorry for the (intended) actions of my CC "colleagues"
I hope that these militant crew are the first to be sacked and that we can return to being the best for our customers once this is all over.
Too angry to post anymore but I hope that my airline has seen the last of those who are determined to see the new Cabin Service fail, who believe that BA owe them a living and who have no idea of the real hard times that so many others are experiencing.
I left work today to hear that:
a) Another friend in the airline industry has lost their job
b) BA CC have voted to strike
I WILL be at work on 22nd and I'll man every brewer and door I can in order to get our passengers where they need to be. Some of appreciate our passengers, BA and the very fact that we have a job to go to.
BASSA, I hope you fail like never before!
I hope that these militant crew are the first to be sacked and that we can return to being the best for our customers once this is all over.
Too angry to post anymore but I hope that my airline has seen the last of those who are determined to see the new Cabin Service fail, who believe that BA owe them a living and who have no idea of the real hard times that so many others are experiencing.
I left work today to hear that:
a) Another friend in the airline industry has lost their job
b) BA CC have voted to strike
I WILL be at work on 22nd and I'll man every brewer and door I can in order to get our passengers where they need to be. Some of appreciate our passengers, BA and the very fact that we have a job to go to.
BASSA, I hope you fail like never before!
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Get real, voting 'yes' is one thing.
Actually contemplating going on strike in 8 days from now is going to be very sobering tomorrow morning!
I am in the process of emailing Willie and Bill, to offer any adjustment they need to my roster to get flights away.
I will enjoy looking at the picket line as we fly off!
Anyone want to join me?
I am in the process of emailing Willie and Bill, to offer any adjustment they need to my roster to get flights away.
I will enjoy looking at the picket line as we fly off!
Anyone want to join me?
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"As for Unite/BASSA and their minions, the nearest comparison is a rabid dog which will attack anything until someone puts a bullet in it's head. Can I hear a rifle being cocked somewhere?"
The tiger is lean and mean and the only rifle being cocked will be the City's with the cross hairs unerringly pointed at the senior management's temple.
Sorry to be so bellicose but £50 million quid a day losses wont cut it after day 4 let alone day 10 of the strike.
The tiger is lean and mean and the only rifle being cocked will be the City's with the cross hairs unerringly pointed at the senior management's temple.
Sorry to be so bellicose but £50 million quid a day losses wont cut it after day 4 let alone day 10 of the strike.
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I wish I could get onto the BASSA forum!
Any Yes voting crew that may be on here, lets see if you have got the balls to go through with it. As professional as you may be on board and I do think you are great crew, as a group away from passengers you are ignorant, selfish and “Mindless Militants”.
I can't wait to meet my crew in the CRC tomorrow
Any Yes voting crew that may be on here, lets see if you have got the balls to go through with it. As professional as you may be on board and I do think you are great crew, as a group away from passengers you are ignorant, selfish and “Mindless Militants”.
I can't wait to meet my crew in the CRC tomorrow
Likewise. I consider the vast majority of crew have been badly misled by BASSA and will find this out to their cost fairly shortly.
Where exactly did BASSA say that the ballot was just to pressurise the company, and not to follow through? No, they weren't misled by BASSA, they were wilfully ingnorant of what a strike call actually means! That doesn't apply to all of the cabin crew, but it does to a significant number. Now they will pay the price. They chose to.