British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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Fincastle - enjoy Capetown - you have my best wishes, thanks for your support.
Now the vast majority of loyal CC can get down to work with the rest of BA's staff & once again make BA the world's best!
Wishing all at BA a very Happy Christmas & a safe & successful 2010.
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Jarvy - worry not. There are plenty of front-line managers who are there, and responsible for, the delivery of the Product which is underpinned, at all times, by the safety issue. They are the Captains.
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So the game of chess continues another ballot will be called and 95% obtained less passengers will book for February/March and once again we will have our time. At least that dippy woman who presents on Sky News was happy and as for the Vile Daily Mail will never get any papers provided for pax on the aircraft if i can help it.
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So the game of chess continues another ballot will be called and 95%
will never get any papers provided for pax on the aircraft if i can help it.
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Its not me I worry about, I,m just SLF. As was mentioned earlier there is bullying going on, I just don't want this to increase.
We still have 2 flights booked with BA and will not go elsewhere, as I said before I still believe in the brand.
We still have 2 flights booked with BA and will not go elsewhere, as I said before I still believe in the brand.
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WW will have a great evening planning his revenge. Not only on Bassa (sue them and bankrupt them) but also on all those over paid, under loyal CC. I think that BA CC will remember this point in time for years to come, you'll never, ever, have it so good again and now WW has the public backing to do what he wants. It's more like WW 2 United 0 when you include the own goal.
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Fincastle; how can you refer to the loyal MAJORITY of CC when the ballot results clearly indicated that the majority where in favour of the strike.
BASSA and the CC have lost because of the incompetance of the union leaders and reps and nothing else at this stage.
Maybe those looking for the head of WW will not look for the heads of certain union leaders.
As Customers we have seen the contempt the majority hold us in and those pictures from Sandown will take some time to forget.
BASSA and the CC have lost because of the incompetance of the union leaders and reps and nothing else at this stage.
Maybe those looking for the head of WW will not look for the heads of certain union leaders.
As Customers we have seen the contempt the majority hold us in and those pictures from Sandown will take some time to forget.
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This Could Cost UNITE
Whilst the verdict is still fresh on the ground, if BA seek costs and damages it could bankrupt BASSA/UNITE to the point that they may not have the stomach for another ballot before the court date set in February.
Of course UNITE may wish to appeal, but seeing UNITE distance themselves today in court from BASSA and in particular Ms Malone, I am unsure if this would be the case. It seems that much of BA argument hinged on a BASSA forum post made by said branch chairperson.
Of course UNITE may wish to appeal, but seeing UNITE distance themselves today in court from BASSA and in particular Ms Malone, I am unsure if this would be the case. It seems that much of BA argument hinged on a BASSA forum post made by said branch chairperson.
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Now whasts that old mantra again? "Procedure, procedure, procedure"? 
Anywho (sic) - I would be surprised if Unite would allow a 2nd ballot as the outcome of the vote would be somewhat different for sure and in addition off course BASSA have shown themselves for what they are: Incompetent Self Serving Bullies.
However serious damage has been done to the brand therefore BA will have to go into overdrive to 're-address' the issues within CC land and PR it to the max. The list of those who volunteerd to work over the strike period (and trust me with BASSA in the wings that was a brave gesture!!) will form a good start for some new leadership (read: promotion) within the company!
Ah....bassa, bassa, bassa..........such losers you are!
Anywho (sic) - I would be surprised if Unite would allow a 2nd ballot as the outcome of the vote would be somewhat different for sure and in addition off course BASSA have shown themselves for what they are: Incompetent Self Serving Bullies.
However serious damage has been done to the brand therefore BA will have to go into overdrive to 're-address' the issues within CC land and PR it to the max. The list of those who volunteerd to work over the strike period (and trust me with BASSA in the wings that was a brave gesture!!) will form a good start for some new leadership (read: promotion) within the company!
Ah....bassa, bassa, bassa..........such losers you are!
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How quick people are to forget.
Cannot for the life of me remember hearing or seeing any comments like this from the CC when the FC also LOST their right to strike.
Infact if I remember correctly (and I do because I was there), enough of us actually walked down the Bath Rd with you........
Shame on you.
Cannot for the life of me remember hearing or seeing any comments like this from the CC when the FC also LOST their right to strike.
Infact if I remember correctly (and I do because I was there), enough of us actually walked down the Bath Rd with you........
Shame on you.
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I suspect a new dimension has been introduced into the negotiations now. "If we don't sue you....." etc etc.
Trouble is, the bad feeling amongst cabin crew will remain. Sure, many will be relieved, but others - as can already be seen - genuinely think they are hard done by and a strike was fully justified. Not exactly conducive to good industrial relations going forward. Still, they could always leave I suppose, and enjoy the infinitely superior conditions elsewhere....
Trouble is, the bad feeling amongst cabin crew will remain. Sure, many will be relieved, but others - as can already be seen - genuinely think they are hard done by and a strike was fully justified. Not exactly conducive to good industrial relations going forward. Still, they could always leave I suppose, and enjoy the infinitely superior conditions elsewhere....
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My post #4285 from a couple of weeks ago:
The bits highlighted in black have come to pass, what about the last part FE etc
No, I fully expect BASSA to either:
(1) call off the ballot this week (if they feel they will not get the required support (15% probability), or
(2) get the result in the region of 60-80% in favour (by those who bother to vote) and claim it is not enough to strike with and call for talks (50% probability), or
(3) get an 80-90% vote in favour (as above) and call a strike, which BA will then successfully get a court injuction preventing (25% probability), or
(4) as (3) above and BA let BASSA strike and the strike collapses within 24 hours (10% probability).
In all of the above scenarios, BASSA end up claiming a moral victory and whinge about the courts and big business being against the working classes, and claiming that the cabin crew are all heroes. In the meantime, the cabin crew come back to work with their tails between their legs, BA regain control of the operation and New Fleet appears in Summer 2010. BA request to negotiate EF work matrices and LH disruption agreements and BASSA aren't able to resist the required changes.
(1) call off the ballot this week (if they feel they will not get the required support (15% probability), or
(2) get the result in the region of 60-80% in favour (by those who bother to vote) and claim it is not enough to strike with and call for talks (50% probability), or
(3) get an 80-90% vote in favour (as above) and call a strike, which BA will then successfully get a court injuction preventing (25% probability), or
(4) as (3) above and BA let BASSA strike and the strike collapses within 24 hours (10% probability).
In all of the above scenarios, BASSA end up claiming a moral victory and whinge about the courts and big business being against the working classes, and claiming that the cabin crew are all heroes. In the meantime, the cabin crew come back to work with their tails between their legs, BA regain control of the operation and New Fleet appears in Summer 2010. BA request to negotiate EF work matrices and LH disruption agreements and BASSA aren't able to resist the required changes.
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IHMBT the difference is OS was a campaign fought on the facts. BASSA are conducting theirs on mis-information, lies, bullying, intimidation. The pilots were informed, the CC have not been informed of ALL the facts. How could they be when Malone's Muppets refused to scrutineer the PWC's audit of BA's books in the first instance. Funda frickin mental difference.
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In that case, the openskies issue had the potential to seriously affect your career too, unfortunately your union did nothing about it.
In the current dispute it is your union, not the company, which is threatening everyone's job.
Have you worked out why we aren't supporting you yet?
How quick people are to forget.
Cannot for the life of me remember hearing or seeing any comments like this from the CC when the FC also LOST their right to strike.
Infact if I remember correctly (and I do because I was there), enough of us actually walked down the Bath Rd with you........
Shame on you.
Cannot for the life of me remember hearing or seeing any comments like this from the CC when the FC also LOST their right to strike.
Infact if I remember correctly (and I do because I was there), enough of us actually walked down the Bath Rd with you........
Shame on you.
In the current dispute it is your union, not the company, which is threatening everyone's job.
Have you worked out why we aren't supporting you yet?
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complaints about cabin crew
"Expect passengers holding a grudge will likely be prone to file complaints at cabin crew with little provocation over the next few weeks."
I wondered about this. I'm not a frequent flier but over the years I have travelled to all 5 continents, mostly with BA.
I have always found the cabin staff to be courteous, educated and professional, even if at times a bit tired and harassed.
Whenever I travel overseas, it is always a special event, whether to visit family in Australia or an African safari. The flight experience is part of this, and the relationship between passengers and cabin staff is a large part of the ambience and feel good factor en route.
I'm worried that this relationship has been damaged and passengers will feel aggrieved that cabin crew came to the brink of cancelling their Christmas.
You will need to disassociate yourselves from union militants and let passengers know that you still love them really.
"Expect passengers holding a grudge will likely be prone to file complaints at cabin crew with little provocation over the next few weeks."
I wondered about this. I'm not a frequent flier but over the years I have travelled to all 5 continents, mostly with BA.
I have always found the cabin staff to be courteous, educated and professional, even if at times a bit tired and harassed.
Whenever I travel overseas, it is always a special event, whether to visit family in Australia or an African safari. The flight experience is part of this, and the relationship between passengers and cabin staff is a large part of the ambience and feel good factor en route.
I'm worried that this relationship has been damaged and passengers will feel aggrieved that cabin crew came to the brink of cancelling their Christmas.
You will need to disassociate yourselves from union militants and let passengers know that you still love them really.
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Willie will negotiate no claims against unite for no bassa interference in ba. Bassa will survive as a face saving gesture but with no clout.
This situation is all because you have a union run by Mrs Slokham, Dale Winton and John Inman and a membership of x factor voters.I love my sterotypes as much as Bassa love their war analogies. So Willie please dont do a Gulf War 1 and stop short of destroying Bassa only to have to fight Gulf War 2. Finish the buggers with a central torso double tap to put them down and one to the head to finish them off. Please dont baulk at the coup de grace.
This situation is all because you have a union run by Mrs Slokham, Dale Winton and John Inman and a membership of x factor voters.I love my sterotypes as much as Bassa love their war analogies. So Willie please dont do a Gulf War 1 and stop short of destroying Bassa only to have to fight Gulf War 2. Finish the buggers with a central torso double tap to put them down and one to the head to finish them off. Please dont baulk at the coup de grace.