British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
Ah, so this will be the unions after BA told them there were inconsistencies in their ballot, and that their members could be striking illegally, and therefore not protected by the law. Ho hum.
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I can't comment on the crew complement at LGW - but at LHR the galley in First is also run by a main crew member - the Purser works in the cabin.
Does the CM work in First on your 4 class 777?
There's one flaw in that argument. At LGW, the purser on the 4 class 777 is, and will remain, working in Club. The First galley has been run by a main crew member, generally very successfully, since single fleet came into being.
Does the CM work in First on your 4 class 777?
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I might be wrong but I am sure that I heard the reason why there are 3 main crew in First at LGW but the PSR remains at LHR is that there is not enough First trained crew at LHR to allow 3 main crew o be in the cabin, but am I right that at LGW crew are trained in First quickly? I think this might have been in CCNews or something as someone did ask why is there a PSR in First at LHR but at LGW there is a Purser and CM in Club...
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Have you ever thought of all those posters who are singing your praises for resigning your membership of your communities union...... How many of them are in their own communities union? If they are (and I suspect most are) then they understand the need for representation, support & protection.
Are you hanging out with a few hypocrites?
Are you hanging out with a few hypocrites?
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I can't comment on the crew complement at LGW - but at LHR the galley in First is also run by a main crew member - the Purser works in the cabin.
Does the CM work in First on your 4 class 777?
Does the CM work in First on your 4 class 777?
It was planned to be the same at LGW but they decided to leave things as they were, as it seems to work well with the purser in Club. But I don't understand why would it have been chaos if it had been done the other way round?
However, what SlideBustle has said regarding the number of First trained crew would seem to make sense.
Yes, the CM does work in Club, although, I find I rarely need them, apart from assisting with the meal orders and running the hots. It leaves them free to get the IFE on the go, speak to the premium passengers and sort out any issues/paperwork. Saying that, I do only work on the 777, so I can't comment on how it would work on the 747.
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So once again the Union have acted arbitrarily and made a decision not to attend Industrial Forums (not that they were any use when they did attend) WITHOUT CONSULTING THE MEMBERSHIP.
So the members are now paying for representation, but not being represented.
Does this mean the door is now open for those of us who would like to attend Industrial Forums, on behalf of BA Cabin Crew, and listen to what BA and others have to say, and then NEGOTIATE on behalf of BA Cabin Crew to find a fair, reasonable and workable solution? The new Employee Council could be up and running by the next meeting.
So, who's for joining....?
I am BA Cabin Crew and the above represents my own view and not that of BA.
So the members are now paying for representation, but not being represented.
Does this mean the door is now open for those of us who would like to attend Industrial Forums, on behalf of BA Cabin Crew, and listen to what BA and others have to say, and then NEGOTIATE on behalf of BA Cabin Crew to find a fair, reasonable and workable solution? The new Employee Council could be up and running by the next meeting.
So, who's for joining....?
I am BA Cabin Crew and the above represents my own view and not that of BA.
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I understand that need too. It is why I have resigned from Unite - because I wasn't getting it.
then they understand the need for representation, support & protection.
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Have you ever thought of all those posters who are singing your praises for resigning your membership of your communities union...... How many of them are in their own communities union? If they are (and I suspect most are) then they understand the need for representation, support & protection.
Are you hanging out with a few hypocrites?
Are you hanging out with a few hypocrites?
How dare you suggest such a thing!
I'm not looking for praise from anyone and neither am I interested if they are in unions in their own communities. If we had a half decent union that gave me intelligent, sensible representation and negotiated like adults, then I might consider joining one.
Till then, my money is better spent on the NSPCC.
AMICUS was that option but latterly I have been disappointed with them as well.
As for support and protection, I believe that's what BA gives me at the moment from the BASSA militants. I look forward to the day a New Union is formed with newly elected representatives. In my opinion we could take a leaf out of BALPA's book.
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It was planned to be the same at LGW but they decided to leave things as they were, as it seems to work well with the purser in Club. But I don't understand why would it have been chaos if it had been done the other way round?
However, what SlideBustle has said regarding the number of First trained crew would seem to make sense.
Yes, the CM does work in Club, although, I find I rarely need them, apart from assisting with the meal orders and running the hots. It leaves them free to get the IFE on the go, speak to the premium passengers and sort out any issues/paperwork. Saying that, I do only work on the 777, so I can't comment on how it would work on the 747.
However, what SlideBustle has said regarding the number of First trained crew would seem to make sense.
Yes, the CM does work in Club, although, I find I rarely need them, apart from assisting with the meal orders and running the hots. It leaves them free to get the IFE on the go, speak to the premium passengers and sort out any issues/paperwork. Saying that, I do only work on the 777, so I can't comment on how it would work on the 747.
What I meant with a chaos was - if BA had removed our Purser from First and replaced it with a main crew member and left the Purser in Club as it used to be - for the time being it would have been fine. Crew would have been fine with it.
If - BA wants to remove the 2nd Purser - for some crew at LHR it would be a dramatic change to lose the Purser in Club leaving a main crew member to run the galley - as it exactly is happening now. Personally - I think BA is getting main crew members used to running the galley and get acclimatized with working without a Purser before they do any further changes - remember this is LHR where crew don't like any changes at all!
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So once again the Union have acted arbitrarily and made a decision not to attend Industrial Forums (not that they were any use when they did attend) WITHOUT CONSULTING THE MEMBERSHIP.
By now I am inclined to feel it is best to let it all run its course. I feel sorry for the passengers who will be victimized beyond any reason by this strike. I am sorry for a lot of the cabin crew who honestly think they are fighting a just cause. I am sorry for the CC who want to work and who's reputation should have remained unblemished. I am sorry that BA will suffer another blow to its reputation.
Even if nothing happens this conflict has already damaged the good reputation of the BA CC. The battle for public opinion is clearly won by WW. That is a shame, since BA CC are normally one of the best in the sky...
I wish all parties a lot of wisdom...
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For those that think life for cc would be much better without a union then the same must also be true for our flight crew ie NO BASSA & NO BALPA....... just maybe that is WW's long-term plan after all
I wish you personally no hard feelings & hope that you & your colleagues exhibit a modicum of common sense before it's too late.
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As you say if BA offered us the Travel Payment, that would give us some stability in our income provided BASSA don't throw it all away by striking.
The proposed travel payment would not be a good thing for you and I. It is based on an average of CSD/Psr earnings for Eurofleet REGARDLESS of what work you bid for and achieve. Both I and you (if Im right about who you are
) generally bid for trips and like to maximise the amount of time we are working in order to achieve a reasonable pay check. There are those who prefer an easy life and who bid for short there and backs and short days. Their pay would be the same as ours. The DME does not look very appealing when you could do a quick NCE for the same money does it? We have had a shocking year variable pay wise and if you add up what you've earned this year it will probably not be very different to the travel payment. Imagine how much you would have earned if we had been working normally.
There are further implications for the efficiency of Carmen. Based on the premise that everyone's preferences are different, it assumes that some will bid for longer days because of the money. Without that incentive the 65% satisfaction is a pipedream. If you still have old variable pay statements, do some sums and let me know what you think?
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Ottergirl,
You are right, we've had a bad year. That's why I had hoped that AMICUS/BASSA could have sat down with BA and negotiated a decent Travel Payment. As I understand it, it was based on variables from 2008.
I've also been informed that work for us will pick up in February once the part time has been sorted.
Apologies for digressing everyone.
PS,Please feel free to email me on ESS Ottergirl.
You are right, we've had a bad year. That's why I had hoped that AMICUS/BASSA could have sat down with BA and negotiated a decent Travel Payment. As I understand it, it was based on variables from 2008.
I've also been informed that work for us will pick up in February once the part time has been sorted.
Apologies for digressing everyone.
PS,Please feel free to email me on ESS Ottergirl.
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before it's too late
Whatever the result, we'll be on that plane smiling at our customers, getting on with life and coming to terms with the circus that has surrounded this dispute!