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At home again after a meaningless meeeting at Sandown Park. Did they actually say anything new? Did they actually say anything that couldn't have been included in a newsletter and saved them a lot of money from renting the race course?
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They also managed to get the tasteless Iwo Jima BASSA flag on Sky TV. Can't wait to see what their reps come up with if it actually comes to a strike! Crew in stripey pyjamas being herded into a BA cattle truck?
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I really wouldn't put it past them Wobble!
Winston - the meeting wasn't meaningless for BASSA, it was another of their attempts to intimidate Walsh into backing down. Imagine the reps on stage saying "We'll strike, we'll strike, we really will this time! Honest, we will!". Unfortunately Walsh has seen this all before. There was a comment from the reps that BF didn't think BASSA had an army and this meeting was the proof he was wrong. Well whoop-de-doo! They can get an army of 20% of their members to come to a non-jeopardy meeting. They can probably even get an army of 95% to vote for a strike. It's meaningless. The only thing that counts is how many staff they can get to down tools, and they'll find then that their army has a suspiciously French feel about it. The meeting also provided BASSA and their cohorts the chance to continue deluding themselves. One person from LGW stood up and said that Gatwick crew supported Heathrow crew. Yes. That one person. The rest of the Single Fleet couldn't give a rats ass.
Winston - the meeting wasn't meaningless for BASSA, it was another of their attempts to intimidate Walsh into backing down. Imagine the reps on stage saying "We'll strike, we'll strike, we really will this time! Honest, we will!". Unfortunately Walsh has seen this all before. There was a comment from the reps that BF didn't think BASSA had an army and this meeting was the proof he was wrong. Well whoop-de-doo! They can get an army of 20% of their members to come to a non-jeopardy meeting. They can probably even get an army of 95% to vote for a strike. It's meaningless. The only thing that counts is how many staff they can get to down tools, and they'll find then that their army has a suspiciously French feel about it. The meeting also provided BASSA and their cohorts the chance to continue deluding themselves. One person from LGW stood up and said that Gatwick crew supported Heathrow crew. Yes. That one person. The rest of the Single Fleet couldn't give a rats ass.
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dns said
Not really true in reality, once a Dr gets their feet under a consultants/GP table the ongoing training and compentency requirements are a complete farce.
but back to the subject.................
Those who seem to think that doctors don't continue training or being checked throughout their careers are simply showing their total lack of understanding of the medical profession. Doctors NEVER stop training, from the day they start, to the day they retire.
but back to the subject.................
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Suddenly everyone is obsessed with making irrational comparisons; BASSA as Marines on Iwo Jima, or why Pilots who are not Doctors might be Nurses but could also be Lawyers if they weren't Vets. I don't want to mix metaphors but sometimes its difficult to see the wood for the fat lady singing in this thread! 
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" They fired him because of helping certain crew with their rosters! CF is a good source."
I cannot think of a single forum in existence which is a good source for anything...
Look at some of the utter crap which gets pushed around on here as "fact"
If this person helped "certain crew with their rosters" it's because it was his job!
I cannot think of a single forum in existence which is a good source for anything...
Look at some of the utter crap which gets pushed around on here as "fact"
If this person helped "certain crew with their rosters" it's because it was his job!
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Can we get back on to topic please and leave the doctors, nurses and lawyers out for comparison reasons.
I do not think any of those groups would use flight attendants as comparisons towards how how many weeks it takes to train as a f/a.
I do not think any of those groups would use flight attendants as comparisons towards how how many weeks it takes to train as a f/a.
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Watching BASSA pour their futures, plus the possible futures of all the others at BA, down the drain.
Have they actually decided what the ballot will be about this time or are we going to get a nice little multiple choice tick list like the last fiasco?
Watching BASSA pour their futures, plus the possible futures of all the others at BA, down the drain.
Have they actually decided what the ballot will be about this time or are we going to get a nice little multiple choice tick list like the last fiasco?
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dns - people don't get fired on a disciplinary charge for doing their job properly and within the rules. And I find it rather suspicious that he walked straight into a job at Unite, just like the shop stewards who organised the Gate Gourmet secondary strike did. A cynical mind might put two and two together and ask whose rosters he was helping with, and might they be in some way closely associated with Unite, such as perhaps trade union reps who'd been disciplined for manipulating their own rosters some months ago.
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So nice to see so many people at the meeting today at Sandown Park today a big message to BA that we are ready for the fight for our terms and conditions rather than be told like what happened to the pilots. Can't wait to hear on the crew buses all the reasons why we are wrong to take BA on roll on 14th December.
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DNS must be one of those CF members who cannot possible believe that SH was capable of doing something like this because he's innocent! WW and his management should be kicked out instead! It's their fault! Do you also think that BA has treated him unfairly?
Carnage Matey is spot on. Suspicious is the word. Disgusting is another word. Very heroic of UNITE to take on a person with such a record.
He will shortly resume his membership at CF. He should make a perfect match with Miss Lala.
Carnage Matey is spot on. Suspicious is the word. Disgusting is another word. Very heroic of UNITE to take on a person with such a record.
He will shortly resume his membership at CF. He should make a perfect match with Miss Lala.
One wouldn't want to speculate about which countries such helpful scheduling might schedule some one From, and then to, would one? California, or Nice, as starters, then a little side trip to Singapore, with or without the extension to Syd?
No. Wouldn't/couldn't happen.
No. Wouldn't/couldn't happen.
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BA is also read for a fight because they have shoved you into this corner and that's where they want you. Why else do you think they haven't given up? It's very naive of you to actually think that you are in control of the situation when it's actually BA screwing you around!
Wake up and smell the coffee - where did I hear that in the first place? Enjoy that lovely cup of coffee when you are queuing at the Jobcentre Plus at a convenient location nearest to you.
BA is also read for a fight because they have shoved you into this corner and that's where they want you. Why else do you think they haven't given up? It's very naive of you to actually think that you are in control of the situation when it's actually BA screwing you around!
Wake up and smell the coffee - where did I hear that in the first place? Enjoy that lovely cup of coffee when you are queuing at the Jobcentre Plus at a convenient location nearest to you.
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Another brilliant post with a fantastic grasp of the English language! Like wot I told ya.
Ironically I think you have the 'told you' stick by the wrong end. I think that the Lemmings that BASSA took to the AGM could well be used by the BASSA reps now as I feel we will see a lot of summary dismissals over the coming couple of months followed by a surge in the 'New Fleet' recruits. Pointless, drawn out and exhaustive industial tribunals over the next couple of years with minimum punitive payouts to those who were sacked will cost the company far less than pandering to yet another BASSA hissy fit strike.
Roll on the court injunction being rejected and Unite having to take a back step.
It's your future, do what you want with it, as long as you don't drag the rest of us who live in the real world down with you.
that we are ready for the fight for our terms and conditions rather than be told like what happened to the pilots.
Ironically I think you have the 'told you' stick by the wrong end. I think that the Lemmings that BASSA took to the AGM could well be used by the BASSA reps now as I feel we will see a lot of summary dismissals over the coming couple of months followed by a surge in the 'New Fleet' recruits. Pointless, drawn out and exhaustive industial tribunals over the next couple of years with minimum punitive payouts to those who were sacked will cost the company far less than pandering to yet another BASSA hissy fit strike.
Roll on the court injunction being rejected and Unite having to take a back step.
It's your future, do what you want with it, as long as you don't drag the rest of us who live in the real world down with you.
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Can anyone from the BASSA camp actually tell us what the strike mandate will be?
Bear in mind please that this is the Union that walked out on pension negotiations and then came crawling back to accept 'whatever the others got'. A Union that failed to achieve any concessions on its last 'One out All out BASSA 100%' strike over EG300 and ingrowing toenails. Issued a ballot paper with in excess of 10 'tick list' mandates for strike without realising that BA only had to satisfy one of the 'tick list' to get the strike ballot invalidated.
A Union that has resolutely refused to accept that the international air travel industry is in a severe state of decline. Trumped that 'BA is doing ok because all of the flights are full' whilst refusing to accept that yields are down hence revenue is down. Refused to sign a confidentiality agreement in order to see confidential financial documentation proving the BA position. Painted a major independent financial organisation as being 'in BA's pocket' when it produced less than encouraging results.
A Union that has never, ever negotiated a major deal due to the constant intransigence of the Union negotiators, the past weakness of the BA management and the ability of the Union to throw 'other bases' (LGW, MAN, GLA) to the sharks the second those sharks get near to fortress Heathrow.
A Union that, instead of caring for the needs of all of its members, embarked on a campaign of dis-information and childlike abuse hurling at what it believed to be its main BA protagonists.
A Union that just about assured its members that Willie Walsh would recieve a vote of no confidence at the AGM when he actually received the full backing of the shareholders and the board.
A Union that is even now embarking on a course of action, previously take by BALPA and proven to be untenable, of issuing a strike ballot based upon speculative future earnings I presume. Whilst not having the fall protection of a SCOPE clause!
Are all of the crew voting on this matter fully informed? Do you feel that the information presented to you over the past 10 months stands up to scrutiny to such an extent that you are willing to bet your livelihood on it?
We shall see.
Bear in mind please that this is the Union that walked out on pension negotiations and then came crawling back to accept 'whatever the others got'. A Union that failed to achieve any concessions on its last 'One out All out BASSA 100%' strike over EG300 and ingrowing toenails. Issued a ballot paper with in excess of 10 'tick list' mandates for strike without realising that BA only had to satisfy one of the 'tick list' to get the strike ballot invalidated.
A Union that has resolutely refused to accept that the international air travel industry is in a severe state of decline. Trumped that 'BA is doing ok because all of the flights are full' whilst refusing to accept that yields are down hence revenue is down. Refused to sign a confidentiality agreement in order to see confidential financial documentation proving the BA position. Painted a major independent financial organisation as being 'in BA's pocket' when it produced less than encouraging results.
A Union that has never, ever negotiated a major deal due to the constant intransigence of the Union negotiators, the past weakness of the BA management and the ability of the Union to throw 'other bases' (LGW, MAN, GLA) to the sharks the second those sharks get near to fortress Heathrow.
A Union that, instead of caring for the needs of all of its members, embarked on a campaign of dis-information and childlike abuse hurling at what it believed to be its main BA protagonists.
A Union that just about assured its members that Willie Walsh would recieve a vote of no confidence at the AGM when he actually received the full backing of the shareholders and the board.
A Union that is even now embarking on a course of action, previously take by BALPA and proven to be untenable, of issuing a strike ballot based upon speculative future earnings I presume. Whilst not having the fall protection of a SCOPE clause!
Are all of the crew voting on this matter fully informed? Do you feel that the information presented to you over the past 10 months stands up to scrutiny to such an extent that you are willing to bet your livelihood on it?
We shall see.
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Perhaps it would be a greater loss for pilots were the company to fail as they are paid the market rate as we so often hear Ryanair will be waiting to take them on at an ever so slightly lower wage. 2500 cabin crew at sandown park 20% of the workforce bearing in mind a full fleet flying today. Time to open your little ears Willie your staff are ready for a fight.