I too have often wondered why most Australians blindly vote along familial lines even when it it threatens to undermine their own personal well being.
With unyielding blind faith they cling to the political persuasion drummed into them by their parents, usually their fathers .


This seems to be especially prevalent amongst Australian F/A's who musn't be seen as traitors to their class nor their families .
Not surprisingly voting up for LIB/CP is "ok",but not down for The Labour party, even if it is bloody obvious that the Libs have got it in for them.

I've always thought that a F/A voting Liberal is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.
Well they have really done it this time .
It is only matter of time before we find out if we are to end up in the Snack Pack or the X- Large bucket.

peg47 & frankie i agree with your assessment of the situation . has anyone considered that the infighting within the labour party and its recent leaders from beazley, crean, latham has anything to do with it. as we know the liberals will destroy our conditions but there is no hope in the next election for labour under beazley.

QCC and Frank i have to agree with you....The biggest promlem in any political organisation is infighting.

Look at the libs in the 80's they were in the same boat. and in the NSW state elections the libs seem as disjointed as labour is federally.

Unions are the same with different factions ( Moderate/Hardline/Soft or even plain morons lol ) all pushing in different directions.

Latham abd cream coudnt connect with average australians. Beazley does connect but they see him as yesterdays man.

Howard is just plain politically smarter and wilier than his opposition in labor and even within his own party. I think Australia is about to become more dog eat dog like america and its what we have voted for.

Dont let anyone say i didnt know what Howard was going to do within my earshot lol !!!!! He has been saying the same stuff for 30 years, anyone that doesnt know doesnt understand.

My grandfather always said your vote should be weighted in accordance with your IQ and the more intelligent you are the more your vote counts

That why in all the backward dumb ass states in america they vote republican and where people are better educated they are democrats.

As for australia.. the average aussie is only interested in his plasma tv and whether it will rain on the weekend

peg47 you forgot the price of beer and maca's.

Qantas Group Executive Changes Latest News
Sydney, 16 February 2006
The Qantas Group today announced a new executive structure to lead the company through the next stage of its business transformation program.

The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said the changes, effective 20 February, centred on a significantly smaller top team with broader responsibilities, in keeping with the efficiency drive throughout the Group.

"The Qantas Group has an excellent portfolio of businesses, with strong positions in our major markets.

"However, each of our businesses operates in an environment of increasing competition.

"Under the new structure, the management of each of the businesses will have the freedom to pursue independent business development initiatives, with accountability for the results.

"At the same time, collaboration between the segments will be a key focus, reflecting the importance of the links between the various businesses in driving value for the Group.

"We are fortunate to have an executive leadership team of the calibre and commitment that we do," he said.

Mr Dixon said seven Executive General Managers would report to him:

* John Borghetti, Executive General Manager Qantas Airlines
* Kevin Brown, Executive General Manager People
* David Cox, Executive General Manager Engineering
* Grant Fenn, Executive General Manager Associated Businesses
* Peter Gregg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive General Manager Strategy
* Alan Joyce, Chief Executive Officer Jetstar
* Rob Kella, Chief Risk Officer

He said the structure had been organised around three key groupings - flying businesses, non-flying businesses, and corporate support.

Flying Businesses

* The flying businesses will be grouped under two major brands - Qantas and Jetstar. John Borghetti will lead the full service airlines, including Qantas (domestic and international), QantasLink and Australian Airlines, and Alan Joyce will be responsible for Jetstar operations including the Australian business, the new international airline and Jetstar Asia.

The senior management of both flying businesses will work closely to ensure the profitable growth of the Group's flying portfolio to achieve the best result for the company.


Non-flying Businesses

* Current Executive General Manager Airports and Catering, Grant Fenn, will become Executive General Manager Associated Businesses, taking on responsibility for Freight and Qantas Holidays in addition to Airports and Catering, with the focus on growing and diversifying the Qantas Group's earnings stream as well as driving efficiencies in each business.

* David Cox will continue to lead Qantas Engineering, and will be responsible for the Engineering transformation program as well as taking on responsibility for Qantas Defence Services.

Corporate Support

* Chief Financial Officer and Executive General Manager Strategy Peter Gregg will oversee:
- Finance, led by Deputy Chief Financial Officer Colin Storrie, including financial policy, Treasury, Tax and the Sustainable Future Program;
- a new Qantas Shared Services (QSS) area, led by the current Head of the Sustainable Future Program Curtis Davies, which will be responsible for Property, Procurement and the Financial Services areas of Revenue Accounting, Accounting Control, Accounts Payable, Credit Management and Group Payroll;
- a separated Information Technology division, IT Services, to be headed by current Head of IT Business Services, John Willett, who replaces Fiona Balfour as Chief Information Officer; and
- a streamlined Corporate Centre including Strategy, Economics, Investor Relations, Qantas Consulting and Strategic Procurement divisions, which will provide business segments with advice and support on policy, strategy and stakeholder relations.

* Kevin Brown, as Executive General Manager People, continues to have responsibility for people strategy including industrial relations, remuneration, workforce management initiatives and the implementation of key employee programs aimed at creating a competitive and motivated workforce.

* Current Head of Internal Audit, Rob Kella, will become Chief Risk Officer. A new Risk and Assurance Office, which will include Risk, Safety, Security, Occupational Health and Safety, Environment, Aviation Health Services and Internal Audit, will provide an integrated approach to risk management across the Group.

* The Communication, Public Company and Legal, and Government and International Relations areas continue to serve the Office of the Chief Executive Officer.

Mr Dixon said that every part of the business had aggressive targets for profit, return on assets, cost and growth as applicable.

"Qantas has undergone extensive change in recent years, including the reorganisation into segments in 2003 to give a clearer picture of the true financial performance and cost structure of each part of the company.

"This restructuring has increased accountability and yielded significant benefits, including $1.27 billion of cost and efficiency improvements to date, which have enabled us to invest and grow.

"These achievements have allowed Qantas to stand out as one of the few airline success stories, despite the significant challenges presented by higher fuel prices and aggressive competition.

"These latest organisational changes will now give us the best structure under which to meet the many challenges that lie ahead," Mr Dixon said.

Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (Q3392)
Email: [email protected]

I was speaking to a J/C wheel onboard today who works for a Boston based personnel company - and guess what ? -they've been engaged to address the "problem" of the SYD based L/H cabin crew morale -
so much for the ability of our home grown "human resources" section -this motely bunch of mediocrity - a blow torch ought to be put through that mob - people managers my arse -
get ready for another Hewitt survey to outline the bleeding obvious.
On a lighter note - how funny is this new concept of "HOSTING" in Y/C ??
Surely this is MHs last little joke?
I can just imagine the Communications Team having a brain storming session...."Hey they used to be called hostess' didn't they? hostess, hostess, host -eureka !they are hosting the pax in cattle class!"
With spin like this -Get ready for another de-crewing exercise....

Which faaa official was on duty when the 108 was delayed by snow in JFK and did they respond to calls from the crew?

STOP PRESS!!!

An extra defibrillator and a heart bypass machine will be carried on all QF flights to San Francisco!

For the crew!!

Viagra will also be substituted for Panamax in all galleys. Walking sticks are also permitted as crew carry on baggage!

Hey Frankie ,
Is this Lib party that "has got it in for them" , as you put it ,the same as the one that did your company a huge favour yesterday by denying SQ the rights to trans Pacific flying?

I can tell you that as a casualty of Paul Keating's "recession we had to have" after he used higher interest rates as a lever to slow the economy and subsequently saw interest rates go from 10% to 17.5% , putting the economy into a tailspin , anything that the Libs could do pales into insignificance.

I was almost forced to sell my home when my wife was made redundant from her part time job, but no one could have afforded to borrow the money to buy it. Many of my friends lost their jobs as their employers struggled to keep afloat and had to sell their homes at a loss because they couldn't pay their mortgage . My father who had been in business for 30 years found things to hard to cope with and folded his business putting 12 full time employees and many contractors out of work.
I guess his heart attack a few months later had nothing to do with it. It broke his heart!
Give me a few labour reforms over the above lot any day. Labour might be strong on social policy and the Libs as mean as anything , but the libs know how to run an economy.

From one who remembers and may someday forgive.

Have just seen on the RCIS that we're moving to the Mecure Hotel Narita on Monday the 27th of March. No more waiting for the bus and easy staggering distance from the Jetlag Barge & Flyers!!!

it really is time ALL Qantas employees told HR, Public Affairs and "The Comminications Team " (joke) to get stuffed with their use of corporate language.
As I posted earlier -all cabin crew are going to have to get used to HOSTING Y/C pax.....
"Ladies & Gents , I'm your CSM and your host for this evenings supper service is Supervisor Sally !! Come on down Sally and take a bow!"
However the truly gross misuse of language by management morons was displayed today when that goose from HR who calls himself the "head of people" (more like the ar*ehole) described the possible offshoring of thousands of maintenance jobs and the wholesale sacking of hard working Australians as an ....."ENGINEERING TRANSFORMATION".
Language usage such as this treats the Qantas worker with contempt. In response to Brownie's euphemism I could think of some more choice Aussie response from all of us.
I'd rather hear Dixon call a spade a shovel -that is to say--"I've got a big pineapple in my hand and I'm going to shove it right up our maintenance workers' Kyber ...NOW WHERE THE BLOODY HELL ARE THEY?!!"

it really is time ALL Qantas employees told HR, Public Affairs and "The Comminications Team " (joke) to get stuffed with their use of corporate language.
As I posted earlier -all cabin crew are going to have to get used to HOSTING Y/C pax.....
"Ladies & Gents , I'm your CSM and your host for this evenings supper service is Supervisor Sally !! Come on down Sally and take a bow!"
However the truly gross misuse of language by management morons was displayed today when that goose from HR who calls himself the "head of people" (more like the ar*ehole) described the possible offshoring of thousands of maintenance jobs and the wholesale sacking of hard working Australians as an ....."ENGINEERING TRANSFORMATION". How can these tossers use quasi- biblical, religious words to describe the shafting of loyal employees?
Language usage such as this treats the Qantas worker with contempt. In response to Brownie's euphemism I could think of some more choice Aussie response from all of us.
I'd rather hear Dixon call a spade a shovel -that is to say--"I've got a big pineapple in my hand and I'm going to shove it right up our maintenance workers' Kyber ...NOW WHERE THE BLOODY HELL ARE THEY?!!"

Yes AKL base crews are governed by CASA regulations when onboard however we are also under NZ labour law and Heal and safety Ie OHS which is OSH in NZ..

Also we are covered by the ACC similar to work cover in OZ..

As for the unions for those some who were to careless to read by previous post we are part of FARSA and are working to make our conditions better and somewhat more rewarding if you can out it that way..

Midnight-63 thanks for your support and positive attitude..

Lurker - get a grip on reality.
Comparing the cruel murder of 3000+ people to the loss of jobs is not only stupid , but just plain offensive . If I was an associate of anyone who died on that awful day I would want to slap your face and educate you as to just what real terrorism is.

I was one of 16000+ people who lost their job some 4 years ago. I am now happier than ever in a new career and get to go home to a loving family every night. None of the victims of 9/11 will ever have that chance again.

Moderators , how can you let such offensive crap stay on here for 18 hours+????

priapism, well said, I second that.
It is starting to show that the old school at QF are showing their real colours. Again I say Welcome to the real world. There appears to be 3 or 4 on here that will never make it. With comments like the above they dont deserve to.I still look forward to the day when the old school get what is coming to them.Bring it on. I will sit here and enjoy every moment of it.

flyagainoneday,

perhaps the analogy of using 9/11 was in poor taste but the sentiment BEHIND the post was distaste at having the livelehoods of thousands of engineers and their families destroyed through offshoring.

This done so purely as an effort to boost QF's profits.

May I assume that you are in favour of these actions and by your post, wish the same or similar on cabin crew??

I refer to the few on here who think it is their given right to have what they want when they want it. They dont give a dam about the rest. I too have a family to feed and bills to pay every week, however when it all went pear shape for me through no fault of my own I stood up and did something about it.

What on earth are you on about..............?

Something along the lines of-
".....bad things happened to me and I won't be happy until bad things are visited upon others....."

Get a grip.

Here we go!!!

Just heard from a VERY reliable "source" at QCC that the Visitors are preparing for the next VR/CR "clean out".

FAAA will be advised soon then its-

THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !

Bring it on,'cause I'm one of them going. I've had enough of the greed and contempt of this organisation!

Who knows with the intro of WORK -NON-CHOICES legislation-this will be the last.???

Why would any company go thru this exercise after this .

Its will be : "you're crap-piss off"


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Lurker, It appears you have been wraped in cotton wool all your life. Cut the cord mate, you never know where you may end up.
Fact. This is the year 2006 and nothing is forever.
And another Fact. Leave Ansett out of it, that was yesterdays news.