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just to set things str8 lol..there is nothing that anyone in here could suggest that our brother and sister flight attendants havent gone in and suggested to them in person.
There are a lot of brown nosers among our ranks.
For example at every FAAA meeting management have a stooge there who has a tape recorder going or just rings them after or during the meeting.
The enemy is within
There are a lot of brown nosers among our ranks.
For example at every FAAA meeting management have a stooge there who has a tape recorder going or just rings them after or during the meeting.
The enemy is within
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Ozkipper,
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"and I think we all know those days have well and truly passed!!!"
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Sheeeesh.......
Don't for a moment assume that everybody is ignorant of the political processes in this country and how it has contributed to the push towards casualisation.
YOU will no doubt be surprised to learn that this "push" comes from only ONE side of politics...........
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"and I think we all know those days have well and truly passed!!!"
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Sheeeesh.......
Don't for a moment assume that everybody is ignorant of the political processes in this country and how it has contributed to the push towards casualisation.
YOU will no doubt be surprised to learn that this "push" comes from only ONE side of politics...........
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LHR Base Regs v's Casa Reg's
When we transfered to the UK base, we were told that we dont work for Qantas but a subsiduary Qantas Uk, why the pay was different and conditions! But when it comes to rest breaks we are not covered by Uk rules but we are a Australian registered aircraft so we are covered by CASA! Can you tell me where it states the time off rest breaks and work rules in these regs!!! NOT!!! They cover how many crew emergency equipment maintance records so on and so on, not what our breaks must be after working a Long range flight like the UK airlines. It is a UK company and work rules should be covered under the British rules, maybe if the JAROPS are taken up by Australia these rules can also be put into the regs! these sort of rules need to be regulated!!! Cheers 
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hmmmm... you know marcstar, maybe these were the type of things you should have investigated before heading to pommie shores.
I have nothing against your decision or your motives but due diligence is borne on you pal.
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CASA regs do not cover cabin crew rest breaks as they are not prescribed by law. They are negotiated by EBA! This has been a long standing contentious issue along with the push for cabin crew licensing.
Maybe the FAAA could spend a little time and money on those type of worthwhile projects rather than other lost causes (eg LAX accom) - bet that gets a comment!
I have nothing against your decision or your motives but due diligence is borne on you pal.
FYI,
CASA regs do not cover cabin crew rest breaks as they are not prescribed by law. They are negotiated by EBA! This has been a long standing contentious issue along with the push for cabin crew licensing.
Maybe the FAAA could spend a little time and money on those type of worthwhile projects rather than other lost causes (eg LAX accom) - bet that gets a comment!
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QFCSM Agree with half of your post!
I have nothing against your decision or your motives but due diligence is borne on you pal.
"Is this like you get what you deserve?"
You show me where it is better QFCSM in your back yard, sound pretty crappy with NYC trips rtn, HNL maybe going to jetstar and well dropping legs off FRA trips and Lhr trips. As a csm and with the company a while too i have see many things with shorthaul and longhaul that sometimes wonder why? As for the rules know them well, taught them for many years! So actually thanks for enlighting me on them.
With that comment above your probablly one of those people that like to treat your fellow crew like rubbish on change over or try to make it difficult for us??? I took it cause needed to get out of the negative work place that was always at LH...and to see europe!!! grin! It is hard work back to back 14hr trips but they good outways the negative!
Now with below your are so right with that one matey, another is looking at what we need in crew rest more hanging space??? Fatigue is a major thing with Airlines. there was a program on in london undercover on Ryanair crew sleeping on take off... suppose after multi sectors cleaning planes and all they do know wonder they fall asleep!!! Thats why it is great to see in the UK that these rules are in place for crew and rest periods after a long haul flight 48 hrs!!! (BA / VIRGIN)
Maybe the FAAA could spend a little time and money on those type of worthwhile projects rather than other lost causes (eg LAX accom) - bet that gets a comment!
"Is this like you get what you deserve?"You show me where it is better QFCSM in your back yard, sound pretty crappy with NYC trips rtn, HNL maybe going to jetstar and well dropping legs off FRA trips and Lhr trips. As a csm and with the company a while too i have see many things with shorthaul and longhaul that sometimes wonder why? As for the rules know them well, taught them for many years! So actually thanks for enlighting me on them.
With that comment above your probablly one of those people that like to treat your fellow crew like rubbish on change over or try to make it difficult for us??? I took it cause needed to get out of the negative work place that was always at LH...and to see europe!!! grin! It is hard work back to back 14hr trips but they good outways the negative!
Now with below your are so right with that one matey, another is looking at what we need in crew rest more hanging space??? Fatigue is a major thing with Airlines. there was a program on in london undercover on Ryanair crew sleeping on take off... suppose after multi sectors cleaning planes and all they do know wonder they fall asleep!!! Thats why it is great to see in the UK that these rules are in place for crew and rest periods after a long haul flight 48 hrs!!! (BA / VIRGIN)
Maybe the FAAA could spend a little time and money on those type of worthwhile projects rather than other lost causes (eg LAX accom) - bet that gets a comment!
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Midnight 63.
you post is appalling.
It must really burn your insides that you will never ever achieve the same status or pay of those that work alongside you, maybe that is your punishment for being one of the strikebreakers!
FYI I just flew with some interesting (good) Kiwi crews they have heaps of interesting stories about your ilk! they despise your actions more that AUS based crew, some really funny stories though.
Burn baby burn.
oh yeah by the way the word is audacity, not ordacity, you of all people using that word!
you post is appalling.
It must really burn your insides that you will never ever achieve the same status or pay of those that work alongside you, maybe that is your punishment for being one of the strikebreakers!
FYI I just flew with some interesting (good) Kiwi crews they have heaps of interesting stories about your ilk! they despise your actions more that AUS based crew, some really funny stories though.
Burn baby burn.
oh yeah by the way the word is audacity, not ordacity, you of all people using that word!
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with qfcsm that the faaa should spend a lot more time and effort on fatigue management and rostering. but as i mentioned before its not on the agenda in the shires fishing club.
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When 50 KIWI F/a’s from the most senior down were told (not asked), to be BusinessFirst F/A’s, as occurred late 2005, one finds it difficult ,at first, to understand why the BF selection process for Australian based L/H F/A’s is “merit “ based with a very large number of applicants rejected and told they aren’t good enough .
A rather insulting slap in the face to the decent and capabable F/A’s who had a career plan mapped out because unfortunately this won't look good on the CV when ,sometime in the future , they apply for the CSS vacancy and the interviewer ,the latest visitor fresh through the door ,opens the file and sees “rejected for BFA”.
“Well if they can’t cut the mustard in Business and First how can we give them the CSS job ? “ I hear them thinking.
No worries.
The calibre of F/A across the Tasman is obviously so superior to anything we can dish up here in Sydney that QF have a ready made ,cost effective solution to future promotion dilemmas.. All future applicants for promotion must shift to NZ and Jetconnect.
Dispense with the whole application , interview, selection hoo haa ,they have already done it in Auckland so the precedent is there.
Just make all NZ based F/A’s the Chiefs and Sydney L/H can be the injuns..
You get two for the price of one .
Heck why stop there and why wait for the EbA ?.
Extend the largesse to BKK as well.
Three for the price of one .
It’s a no brainer.
A rather insulting slap in the face to the decent and capabable F/A’s who had a career plan mapped out because unfortunately this won't look good on the CV when ,sometime in the future , they apply for the CSS vacancy and the interviewer ,the latest visitor fresh through the door ,opens the file and sees “rejected for BFA”.
“Well if they can’t cut the mustard in Business and First how can we give them the CSS job ? “ I hear them thinking.
No worries.
The calibre of F/A across the Tasman is obviously so superior to anything we can dish up here in Sydney that QF have a ready made ,cost effective solution to future promotion dilemmas.. All future applicants for promotion must shift to NZ and Jetconnect.
Dispense with the whole application , interview, selection hoo haa ,they have already done it in Auckland so the precedent is there.
Just make all NZ based F/A’s the Chiefs and Sydney L/H can be the injuns..
You get two for the price of one .
Heck why stop there and why wait for the EbA ?.
Extend the largesse to BKK as well.
Three for the price of one .
It’s a no brainer.
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Anyway enough of the nonsense.
Getting serious for a minute Midnight63, if you believe everything you are told by Jetconnect management or whoever it is you are listening to .....don't.
These people are only warming the seats for the next visitor and love telling you what you want to hear in the name of short term expediency.Just remember why you were hired in the first place and the brutal reality will hit home.
Getting serious for a minute Midnight63, if you believe everything you are told by Jetconnect management or whoever it is you are listening to .....don't.
These people are only warming the seats for the next visitor and love telling you what you want to hear in the name of short term expediency.Just remember why you were hired in the first place and the brutal reality will hit home.
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Midnight,
Unfortunately its you guys that are doing 240-260+ hrs a period. Its unfortunate as it has potential safety issues and health issues.
Despite you guys complaining to your colleages on board(aus based and NZ based) you continue to turn up and do it without question.
It may be prudent to promote you guys to CSM or CSS as you will likely do anything you are told, without question. On the other hand it may be less prudent based on your decision making abilities as illustrated above.
Unfortunately its you guys that are doing 240-260+ hrs a period. Its unfortunate as it has potential safety issues and health issues.
Despite you guys complaining to your colleages on board(aus based and NZ based) you continue to turn up and do it without question.
It may be prudent to promote you guys to CSM or CSS as you will likely do anything you are told, without question. On the other hand it may be less prudent based on your decision making abilities as illustrated above.
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I think the capping of all trips to one or two a roster would be the fairest way. The problem with capping the unpopular trips or capping the popular ones is what exactly is popular or unpopular? I have a friend who does nothing but JNB as her family lives there, and I also know some people who wouldnt want to do a HNL.
If you cap each trip to say two a roster (for bidding purposes), then everyone would be set to the same rule, the flying will be shared more evenly. If you put on top of that an electronic trip swap system, once the rosters are built then people can pick up or try to swap what they feel they do or dont want.
I would love to see the seniority bid system go, I think it is discrimination.
The simple fact of the matter is it would be too hard. You would have to get both unions' members to agree to it ( read: getting both divisions of the FAAA to actually talk to each other
). With a joint seniority list, one division can't just drop the bid system, what would happen if you transferred division? where would you sit seniority wise?
Capping everything to two a roster and having instant trip swapping would be a simple thing to implement, and would make things much fairer for all
If you cap each trip to say two a roster (for bidding purposes), then everyone would be set to the same rule, the flying will be shared more evenly. If you put on top of that an electronic trip swap system, once the rosters are built then people can pick up or try to swap what they feel they do or dont want.
I would love to see the seniority bid system go, I think it is discrimination.
The simple fact of the matter is it would be too hard. You would have to get both unions' members to agree to it ( read: getting both divisions of the FAAA to actually talk to each other
). With a joint seniority list, one division can't just drop the bid system, what would happen if you transferred division? where would you sit seniority wise?Capping everything to two a roster and having instant trip swapping would be a simple thing to implement, and would make things much fairer for all
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corporate Karma & poetic justice
As a conscientious Qantas employee, I am always looking for ways to ensure that our senior executives receive their annual performanc bonuses.
I believe I have found a great idea which I will be putting to the Board in the near future.
This week it was announced that the BBC (Pom TV) was going to outsource all of its Human Resources functions to a company called Capita.
BBC chairman said -"we believe HR is going to become the next big area for the future of outsoucing" (Guardian 24/2)
Are you listening Marg?
Qantas has no need for HR because it believes it has no need for its people.
Ever since James Strong strutted into the CEO office with his sneering patrician condescention - we have had a senior managment team that actually LOATHES its workforce. This hatered of UNIONISED labor appears in every utterance & piece of spin.
Strong implemented his hatred of his serfs by positioning baggage handlers like Greg B. to kick the heads of cabin crew.
His sychophantic underlings Dixon , Toomey et al have continued to grow this manangmnet culture of contempt
towards employees. (Yet they reckon Dixon was a good bloke as marketing manager for Australian Airlines...what price your soul?)
HR has been the tool with which to DE-HUMANISE Qantas staff. Caring for people has become a redundant occupation at Qantas so it time for HR to go.
Did the Hewitt survey look at the issue of SENIOR MANAGEMENT'S DISENGAGEMENT FROM ITS WORKFORCE? This is a reality at Qantas and as a shareholder I am concerned.
(Getting on the piss with a few brown- noses at an excel award doed not address all employee morale issues.)
Geoff - Capita head office is based in Westminster London -ph 00 44 0207 7991525 - do you want me to give them a bell and get the ball rolling?
Oh yes, when that quaintly termed " Qantas Head (Kicker) of People" (an oxymoron if there was ever one!) -Kevin Brown - calls a media conference to announce the wholesale SACKING of the HR department - make sure he uses the phrase "THE TRANSFORMATION OF HUMAN RESOURCES" .
I believe I have found a great idea which I will be putting to the Board in the near future.
This week it was announced that the BBC (Pom TV) was going to outsource all of its Human Resources functions to a company called Capita.
BBC chairman said -"we believe HR is going to become the next big area for the future of outsoucing" (Guardian 24/2)
Are you listening Marg?
Qantas has no need for HR because it believes it has no need for its people.
Ever since James Strong strutted into the CEO office with his sneering patrician condescention - we have had a senior managment team that actually LOATHES its workforce. This hatered of UNIONISED labor appears in every utterance & piece of spin.
Strong implemented his hatred of his serfs by positioning baggage handlers like Greg B. to kick the heads of cabin crew.
His sychophantic underlings Dixon , Toomey et al have continued to grow this manangmnet culture of contempt
towards employees. (Yet they reckon Dixon was a good bloke as marketing manager for Australian Airlines...what price your soul?)
HR has been the tool with which to DE-HUMANISE Qantas staff. Caring for people has become a redundant occupation at Qantas so it time for HR to go.
Did the Hewitt survey look at the issue of SENIOR MANAGEMENT'S DISENGAGEMENT FROM ITS WORKFORCE? This is a reality at Qantas and as a shareholder I am concerned.
(Getting on the piss with a few brown- noses at an excel award doed not address all employee morale issues.)
Geoff - Capita head office is based in Westminster London -ph 00 44 0207 7991525 - do you want me to give them a bell and get the ball rolling?
Oh yes, when that quaintly termed " Qantas Head (Kicker) of People" (an oxymoron if there was ever one!) -Kevin Brown - calls a media conference to announce the wholesale SACKING of the HR department - make sure he uses the phrase "THE TRANSFORMATION OF HUMAN RESOURCES" .
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Midnight
we turn up because we get paid a fair wage and our hours although closer to the high end by industry standards arent yet jeopardising our health or safety.
You should speak to your kiwi colleagues once in a while. You will quickly find very rarely do they go sick when they are fatigued. Check their hours, 205 hrs would be a great roster.Most average 230 plus. Midnight if you are going to post on here get your facts right.
Yes we do complain. We complain to mgmt how hard you guys work, we complain we are concerned for your and our safety, we complained when you didnt get a $1000 bonus 2 years ago.We complain about the severity of your conditions.
Midnight you have your wish we will stop complaining.We feel sorry for our kiwi colleagues who live in hope of one day of being made permanent.We know why a kiwi base was created.No overtime, no super, no hours limitations, reduced wage, reduced staff travel etc.
You for the reasons above are important to the business and its time we realise and accept it as part of privatisation and remaining competitive.Lets get on with the job and stop complaining, both Aussie and kiwi bases.
If you can live with it and its obvious you do, then provided our safety isnt jeopardised, then we as you requested should stop making an issue of it.You cant complain with that!
we turn up because we get paid a fair wage and our hours although closer to the high end by industry standards arent yet jeopardising our health or safety.
You should speak to your kiwi colleagues once in a while. You will quickly find very rarely do they go sick when they are fatigued. Check their hours, 205 hrs would be a great roster.Most average 230 plus. Midnight if you are going to post on here get your facts right.
Yes we do complain. We complain to mgmt how hard you guys work, we complain we are concerned for your and our safety, we complained when you didnt get a $1000 bonus 2 years ago.We complain about the severity of your conditions.
Midnight you have your wish we will stop complaining.We feel sorry for our kiwi colleagues who live in hope of one day of being made permanent.We know why a kiwi base was created.No overtime, no super, no hours limitations, reduced wage, reduced staff travel etc.
You for the reasons above are important to the business and its time we realise and accept it as part of privatisation and remaining competitive.Lets get on with the job and stop complaining, both Aussie and kiwi bases.
If you can live with it and its obvious you do, then provided our safety isnt jeopardised, then we as you requested should stop making an issue of it.You cant complain with that!
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THE GOON SHOW
................couldn't agree more with the last 2 posts.
Coincidentally I was down at Star City on Friday night..........when a convoy of buses pull up with excel award winners for their NIGHT OF STARS.............whoooooo hoooooo. How much is this little junket cost the "shareholders'- F--K ! we had to hand over our crew meals on our last PVG trip 'cause we ran out of hotties in J/C due to "undercatering" ( see Waste Management )
I gave up watching the buses rollup after about 8 loads rolled in.
I have no problem with the recognition bit for hard working staff-BUT it appeared half of the group were made up of "trough feeders" ( read Management.......HR probably + some of our illustrious Visitors )
Also, did you hear about the robbery that happened outside the baggage room on Tuesday ??
A Chubb armoured vehicle was held up-rumour is $1m was stolen......as one wit commented-probably the delivery of Darth's 2005 bonus !!!!!!!-gone, oh shame.
I have just come in from filing the latest SOURCE magazine- in that big green recyling bin !!!
Who is the Goon/s responsible for this piece bum wipe ?
Coincidentally I was down at Star City on Friday night..........when a convoy of buses pull up with excel award winners for their NIGHT OF STARS.............whoooooo hoooooo. How much is this little junket cost the "shareholders'- F--K ! we had to hand over our crew meals on our last PVG trip 'cause we ran out of hotties in J/C due to "undercatering" ( see Waste Management )
I gave up watching the buses rollup after about 8 loads rolled in.
I have no problem with the recognition bit for hard working staff-BUT it appeared half of the group were made up of "trough feeders" ( read Management.......HR probably + some of our illustrious Visitors )
Also, did you hear about the robbery that happened outside the baggage room on Tuesday ??
A Chubb armoured vehicle was held up-rumour is $1m was stolen......as one wit commented-probably the delivery of Darth's 2005 bonus !!!!!!!-gone, oh shame.
I have just come in from filing the latest SOURCE magazine- in that big green recyling bin !!!
Who is the Goon/s responsible for this piece bum wipe ?
