saab340ryder

Interesting...for example, I have almost 4000TT, 2500PIC, 1500MPA, two active turboprop's in my licence plus one small jet, applied though let say a month ago, and there was no call yet...
Shall I continue to wait for them...or shall I try luck somewhere else...maybe they lost my application in some black hole, but I would sooo much like to fly that magnificant small jet's.
Does anyone know from which country they call...because I maybe oversleap one call at 00:30 few day's ago from England....we'll, maybe it was just one on my girl friend's that I have them all over the world
But I am not joking...I want to fly netjets....what can I do, a?

doglegfinal

Just have some patience, I received my confirmation letter in August, but I got the phonecall in oktober.

airmen

Saab 340 ryder,

If you know a Capt. at NJ, be sure to put him as a referee on your CV, you will be contacted in 10 days

Interview at LBG was 20 min. Tech.quizz writen, 30 min. English comprehension writen, Sim ride on EMB145 followed by 20 min. interview about any matters but focused on behaviour with clients.

Good luck

saab340ryder

Thank's airman,

although I don't know anyone ( in fact I never knew anyone anywhere when I was changing my job's, they just had to love me ) it would be nice to hear something from them.

Let's say, you get the call...how fast the things goes on then, I mean interview, sim...the type rating. The suite is probably MUST when you go to meet theese guys, a? I am not in hurry though, have a nice well paid job...but as I told already, I so f g miss thoose lovely jets and flight's to different airports, I just want to be all the time on the road...but what can I do if they don't call me

See ya...

saab340ryder

Soo folk's,

I've got it , the call, that long last waiting call, and when I check my email now I can see that I got confirmation letter about a week afer I have sent the CV and finaly the call app 15 days after the letter. Good, a?

I've passed the phone interview, it was actualy not so difficult, the interviewer on the other side was realy proffesional, friendly, he explained me bytheway many things that I wanted to know them and to be honnest now I have even bigger interest in joining them. I I was invited to the Farnborough for further evaluation at the end of this month, and offcourse I would like to ask you gent's who already wen't there, how to get there actualy . Been there many time, on the airport I mean, but always with flying machine , but I don't have a clue how to get there let say from Gatwick or Luton, neither how much time will take me to get there from the mentioned airports. Any hotels there to sleap over night?
I don't wan't to bother you with the ''how interview goes'' because it doesn't help me much, but would realy appreciate any tip how to get there. And yes, how much time it usualy take's you all thing, test, interview and sim...

See ya...

noshibban

Saab340,

Would you share some more details about the phoning interview with me please ?
Waiting for the call too.....

Thanks.

Smeagel

Mike.

Your keeness to help is applauded, no sarcasm intended. But the word is that even your rose tinted spectacles have lost their hue.

How about telling the boys and girls how it really is?

I suppose the positive aspect is that with all those leaving Netjets Europe (50 thus far in 2006) there will always be openings. The most obvious being the one that appears when one bends over and spread ones cheeks.

Riker

I suppose I could conduct a search to get answers to my questions, but instead, I will ask them here. Given the discontent and apparent departures recently, can someone enlighten us as to why people are leaving? Are they leaving for jobs with LCCs or national airlines like BA or Air France?

When I look at the NJE offer it looks pretty appealing at face value: live in one of 25 or so domiciles throughout the continent, fly super advanced aircraft (nice Citations, Hawkers, Falcons and Gulfstreams with Falcon 7X coming down the pipe) all over Europe and further afield (better variety than any airline flying within Europe can offer) with decent pay (sure, you could always make more money). Doesn't seem so bad to me. Are the work rules that draconian?

Why would someone leave Netjets for Ryanair or Easyjet which are also considered slave drivers? Anyone care to enlighten me in a succinct manner or with personal experience?

Cheers

CL300

Smeagel check your datas, 8% of turn over is not that bad in todays market at least well within the other companies, you see people leaving easyjet to come to netjets and vice versa, people went off flying 744 and now knocking at the door to fly a bravo.
All things being considered, it is useless to bitch on the company, just because you could'nt handle the work.
Netjets is the easiest GA company to work for, a lot of people are hoping that T&C would make a significant step forward in december, to go from good to outstanding package. And then what would you say ?
It was bad for me , I left and now I want to come back ? Or you will still dump erroneous info ? Pass on , find a new target, like mode S in Vnav climb in UK airspace, do something usefull for a change.

Mr Wonka

Mike thanks for the post, good information.

I've got a couple of friends who work for netjets and hopefully with a successful interview and sim session, ill be joining them soon.

One of my mates moaned on and on about working for Netjets all the time, interestingly when he left, and worked else where; 3 months later after leaving, he's now trying to get back into Netjets.

I don’t think Netjets is as bad as you claim smeagel. Sure it’s not perfect from what I hear, but why is that they attract quality candidates from the air force, mirage pilots, fast jet tornado pilots Herc pilots and seemingly many pilots from the major airlines? Must be somthing.

Mr W

hawkerpilot

"can someone enlighten us as to why people are leaving? "

Check PPrune page 2 "Netjets employment issues" thread

"with decent pay"

Money is basically gross not nett as no social securities are paid except for the brits and portuguees. The construction they use is an Isle of man contract where they supposedly pay tax, but they don't and their money comes from a dodgy place like the cayman islands. Several countries have started investigations into the illegality of this so be carefull and at the very least put half your salary aside for big taxpayments afterwards(that's why you should treat is as Gross..)

"Why would someone leave Netjets for Ryanair or Easyjet which are also considered slave drivers? "

You cannot imagine what slavedrivers NJE is . 3 years ago we had a steady 6on 5off contract . They changed the contract without telling us, just send the new contract saying: it was implemented a month ago, sign it or go" Now they give you 6-3 as standard in the summer. Last summer due to so many crews leaving they offered 1000 euro per extra day to fly even more. Many crews refused the money, that says enough, they where dead tired. As NJE is not respecting the work and rest rules when it suits them(e.g. summer time) and travel unlike any other jar ops company strangely is not counted you are really tired and accidents are waiting to happen due to that.

Riker, Jenvey is hired to spread the positive side of the story. He has a few points that are correct, the guys are great to work with and the work is interesting, however the management really sucks and push us daily in illegal things for commercial benefits and the contract is really bad with no garanties for the future.

the market is now so good that you should put your future in a decent company that takes you seriously and garantees you a good future. The market can collapse in the near future again and then you are much better of by a decent airline, perhaps a bit more boring, but your family and you have a good future..

silverhawk

Where did you learn to equate Herc,Tornado,Mirage pilots with quality?

From all walks of life there are good and bad examples. Military aircrew are no exception. I've met and had to operate with some distinctly very poor examples of pilots from the military. Funnily enough, the worst examples were during my time at Netjets and scarily, some of those held positions of responsibility, even trainers.

I also have great examples from the military, trainers,FOs,Captains.

However I do have to say that from my time there, Netjets seemed to have hoovered up all the dross from the various military establishments that could not land a job in civvy airlines, never mind land a toy on a cavok day.


Having had your tax payers pay for your exaggerated training costs does not make you a better pilot. Does it Mike?

erikv

so hawker, you're still so much upset with the contract change 3 years ago that you can only see the negative side of the company? You make it sound like there might be a next change for the worse any day now...

People who join on an 18-day contract know what they are getting into, and it is not that bad! You claim that everyone has been working 6-3 during summer. Fact is that everyone has been working 18 days and many have volunteered to work up to 21 days.

I don't know what's dodgy about the Cayman Islands. Many corporate aircraft are registered there. The payment of salaries comply with IOM tax law, but individual pilots got into trouble over claiming to have paid tax in the IOM,to avoid taxation at home. Their pay slips clearly state monthy gross salary... Where did the company go wrong there?

Nobody has said all is perfect at NetJets. At the end of the day it is work and management have to run a business. But if you're looking for great colleagues, a reasonable deal and more variety than you could ever imagine, it is the place to go.

redflyer

I'm in the position of working for a so called airline. Since all the security crap has happened I would think a company like netjets would have alot more benefits for the customer.

When it comes to security in the work place, things change over night. Airlines are so unstable in the long terms, I think I know, I work for BA connnect. That says it all.

If you have left netjets and, for example, landed a job at LGW with BA, you may be in a very different position in 18 months.

My view is that if things like security keep changing and airlines aren't able to adapt to the increasing charges to do with the environmet then companys like netjets will surely prosper.

I would think that a company like netjets is more flexible than BA or Virgin to economic change.

Smeagel

Ahhh, the ramblings of CL300. Once again making random guesses and coming up wrong.

I've handled the work, I continue to handle the work. If the package becomes "outstanding" I'll be happy to say so. We both know though that in it's present state the package is distinctly average. Why else are we struggling to attract high calibre candidates to replace the continuing flow of leavers? Why are those people leaving? Because the deal is as marvellous as you would have everyone believe?

Doesn't add up, does it?

Continue to massage your friends in Lisbon. I'm sure you have made sure they know who you are and they will reward you in the usual manner.

netjets

I used to work for Netjets and I have many mates who still do. This is the way it is:

You can live anywhere you like within an hour from a gateway.

You can change you gateway with ease allowing you to finish in GVA one week, LHR the next.

They pay you every month, always on time, always the right amount.

The flying is fun and interesting.

The hotels are pretty good and you get to eat some good crew food.

The people you fly with are great and the line trainers are doing the very best they can with limited support.

HOWEVER:

You will work hard. You will fly 3 to 4 legs a day, clean the cabin, clean the lav, sort out the catering, sort out the over wing refuelling in the rain, meet the passengers 30 mins before departure, load the bags, brief the passengers, fly the leg, off load the bags and escort the passengers to the limo.

You will have your Terms and Conditions changed without consultation.

You will not get any reward for hard work, no career progression unless you kiss the right ass.

You will get to fly the richest and most powerful people in the world and you get a below avarage salary.

You will be expected to 'go the extra mile' for the passengers with no comment from the company unless it goes wrong then you get a bollocking.

You will trained at Flight Safety...........say no more!

You get to operate in remote areas of the world with no compensation, thanks or recognition, just a bollocking if it goes wrong.

You get to meet lots of managers with no management training at all. When they fail to make the grade they are sacked and then get to fly a Gulfstream or Falcon 900.

You will see managers all flying the very best airplanes for 6 days every 2 months and wonder how come there is no chance you get a bigger aircraft.

You have the option to see MASSIVE amounts of money wasted on a new catering system that doesn't work and the 'consultant' who designed it didn't 'consult' with the crews.

You may get a chance to go to the beautiful London office costing millions but you have to fly from LHR to Witchita via Amsterdam and Denver to save $75.

You will have phone conversations with people you have never heard of from departments you have never heard of. They will be doing jobs with little worth.

You will fly the worlds greatest designers and in your uniform you look like an extra from a 1970's porn film.

You may be lucky enough to fly the small fleets, work the hardest in the worst conditions and then get paid the least. NO MANAGERS ARE ON THE NON APU FLEETS!! That tells a story!

sirvival

Mike Jenveys wrote:

a test paper of 30 technical questions relating mostly to performance and basic JAR rules and so on. [Note - an English test is also included now]


Any specifics about the English test ??? I heard it is some kind of "reasoning test".

Thanks

Sirvival

CL300

Did you enjoy your time with us ? as a whole not on specifics.
Did you expect this kind of flying when you join or were briefed for an airline type scheme ?

good luck with your new job !

netjets

I enjoyed some bits but:

You will have your Terms and Conditions changed without consultation.

You will not get any reward for hard work, no career progression unless you kiss the right ass.

You will get to fly the richest and most powerful people in the world and you get a below avarage salary.

ALL JUST PLAIN WRONG to name a few.

Netjets - Lions lead by donkeys. The management do the best they can but, they have had no management training. The company needs to spend some time and money training the managers how to manage.

CL300

So basically, you were unhappy and you left....