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KRviator 29th Aug 2021 01:40

1,218 new cases in New Sick Wales today, completely skipping the 1100's...The genie is well and truly out of the bottle, but of the 6 new deaths, all over 70, 4 unvaccinated, and two with only one dose. Now that makes me wonder, as I'm in my 30's having my second dose this arvo - though I would have preferred to not have them at all, that's not an option if I want to get back to work the way McGoose is carrying on...

But anyways... if people in their 70's & 80's haven't had even one dose the question needs to asked, why are millions of people lockdown, losing literally billions of dollars in salary & super, to protect people who won't try to protect themselves!?? At what point do we say "You've had your chance to get the shot, you've not taken it, so you're on your own! Good luck!" because I refuse to believe someone who is over 70 has not had a chance to get both vaccinations by now.

Xeptu 29th Aug 2021 02:09


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11102731)
1,218 new cases in New Sick Wales today, completely skipping the 1100's...The genie is well and truly out of the bottle, but of the 6 new deaths, all over 70, 4 unvaccinated, and two with only one dose. Now that makes me wonder, as I'm in my 30's having my second dose this arvo - though I would have preferred to not have them at all, that's not an option if I want to get back to work the way McGoose is carrying on...

But anyways... if people in their 70's & 80's haven't had even one dose the question needs to asked, why are millions of people lockdown, losing literally billions of dollars in salary & super, to protect people who won't try to protect themselves!?? At what point do we say "You've had your chance to get the shot, you've not taken it, so you're on your own! Good luck!" because I refuse to believe someone who is over 70 has not had a chance to get both vaccinations by now.

A better question might be Why weren't they vaccinated. Is it because they chose not to be or is it a health department failing. Also does the 1218 include unlinked cases or hasn't that come into effect yet.

machtuk 29th Aug 2021 02:12


Originally Posted by pithblot (Post 11102635)
This video deals with covid. It has info worth considering.

ICU nurse speaks out

You are wasting yr time presenting anything that goes against the infected/indoctrinated here, they simply believe in their own insulated world of Govt skewed figures that suits the lunatic Govt & nothing will convince them otherwise!

Ladloy 29th Aug 2021 02:50


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 11102740)
You are wasting yr time presenting anything that goes against the infected/indoctrinated here, they simply believe in their own insulated world of Govt skewed figures that suits the lunatic Govt & nothing will convince them otherwise!

you're cooked if you think that link is a viable source of information.

Ladloy 29th Aug 2021 02:51


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11102731)
1,218 new cases in New Sick Wales today, completely skipping the 1100's...The genie is well and truly out of the bottle, but of the 6 new deaths, all over 70, 4 unvaccinated, and two with only one dose. Now that makes me wonder, as I'm in my 30's having my second dose this arvo - though I would have preferred to not have them at all, that's not an option if I want to get back to work the way McGoose is carrying on...

But anyways... if people in their 70's & 80's haven't had even one dose the question needs to asked, why are millions of people lockdown, losing literally billions of dollars in salary & super, to protect people who won't try to protect themselves!?? At what point do we say "You've had your chance to get the shot, you've not taken it, so you're on your own! Good luck!" because I refuse to believe someone who is over 70 has not had a chance to get both vaccinations by now.

A few 30yos died in the last week. Unvaxxed

Chronic Snoozer 29th Aug 2021 03:14


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11102731)
But anyways... if people in their 70's & 80's haven't had even one dose the question needs to asked, why are millions of people lockdown, losing literally billions of dollars in salary & super, to protect people who won't try to protect themselves!?? At what point do we say "You've had your chance to get the shot, you've not taken it, so you're on your own! Good luck!" because I refuse to believe someone who is over 70 has not had a chance to get both vaccinations by now.

Some elderly may not have had vaccinations due to medical reasons.

pithblot 29th Aug 2021 03:41

Veteran of the drug-testing industry speaks out.
 

Originally Posted by Obba (Post 11102671)
Ivermectin is a Parasitic drug. Not a Anti-Viral drug. It is used in humans for parasitic worms, head lice etc. More commonly used on horses.
The FDA is currently doing tests to see its effectiveness with Covid.

Of course it may help Covid symptoms, but it may not...
The Vaccines are NOW are proven to negate or hugely reduce Covid deaths.
There are side effects to any drug.

And still to this day, there is no known cure for any known Virus - including the common cold...


Dr Altman’s letter deals with Ivermectin in the management of covid. It has info worth considering.

Veteran of the drug-testing industry speaks out, ‘A Total Lack of Therapeutic Perspective’


Post # 7966


Originally Posted by pithblot (Post 11102635)
This video deals with covid. It has info worth considering.

ICU nurse speaks out


43Inches 29th Aug 2021 04:15

Invermectim is an anti parasite drug, for use vs round worm and similar. It also has some bad side effects that can be detrimental to your health and has no proven effect vs Covid or any other virus. What that has to do with Covid vaccines I have no idea, but it's use is along the lines of Trumps hydroxycloroquine assertions.

Stop spreading this crap and go get vaccinated.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...event-covid-19

And please don't take the animal forms of this stuff, as what has been happening in the US, taking horse drugs just proves how stupid people are when deciding whats good for them.

SHVC 29th Aug 2021 04:24


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11102739)
A better question might be Why weren't they vaccinated. Is it because they chose not to be or is it a health department failing. Also does the 1218 include unlinked cases or hasn't that come into effect yet.

NSW does not do break down of cases anymore, meaningless and pointless. The premier reiterated many times today, 70% vax rate which will be 5-8 weeks from today NSW will not be in lock down or go into a lock down ever again.The break down in ICU patients as of today of the 125 only 1 patient is double vaccinated NSW health system will be able to cope. Shame other states haven't pulled their fingers out.

Dannyboy39 29th Aug 2021 04:44

I see that Qantas is looking at moving it’s ultra long run from London to Perth, to Darwin instead because of the way WA are acting. How many lads and lasses are based in PER on the 787 fleet? Or are they usually MEL based for this run?

JustinHeywood 29th Aug 2021 04:50


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 11102740)
You are wasting yr time presenting anything that goes against the infected/indoctrinated here, they simply believe in their own insulated world of Govt skewed figures that suits the lunatic Govt & nothing will convince them otherwise!

Why is that conspiracy nutters ALWAYS think they have some superior insight or intelligence.

Its ironic that the latest iteration of this lunacy is that only ‘sheeple’ take the approved vaccine, apparently the really smart people are taking an unapproved livestock dewormer, based on something they’ve been fed on YouTube.

43Inches 29th Aug 2021 05:08

Ivermectin was used widely in India due to some flawed reasoning, it has since been removed from treatment advice as a result of a rethink.

https://medicaldialogues.in/news/hea...protocol-70790

There is some suggestion that IN LARGE doses far above normal it may offer some protection, however the doses required result in other complications, as this is not what the drug was designed for. Hence the FDA warning as some have ended up in trouble after taking the Equine tablets thinking the increased dose was safe and ending up dead or in hospital.

In normal safe doses it has negligible to no benefit vs Covid. Treatment using it is akin to saying, lets douse you in petrol and light it, yep, that kills the virus, but also the patient, oops. Maybe that's why we have orgs like the WHO and FDA to say what's safe to use.

India was also pumping patients full of other drugs including steroids which ended up giving some black fungus, which is nasty and kills at about 50% rates.

itsnotthatbloodyhard 29th Aug 2021 05:24


Originally Posted by JustinHeywood (Post 11102763)
Why is that conspiracy nutters ALWAYS think they have some superior insight or intelligence.

To compensate for the fact that deep down, they know they don’t really. And it helps them feel a bit special.

Torukmacto 29th Aug 2021 05:29

Yep , it’s unfortunate but some people have weakened immune systems , some are old and frail and some have a weakened mind . Not everyone can be saved and Australians are having trouble getting their heads around this fact , in the meantime we are losing time and wealth while we all pull in different directions .


Xeptu 29th Aug 2021 05:59


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11102758)
NSW does not do break down of cases anymore, meaningless and pointless. The premier reiterated many times today, 70% vax rate which will be 5-8 weeks from today NSW will not be in lock down or go into a lock down ever again.The break down in ICU patients as of today of the 125 only 1 patient is double vaccinated NSW health system will be able to cope. Shame other states haven't pulled their fingers out.

Did she really say that? I read loosened restrictions, like you can go to the park if the adults are vaccinated, but nothing about lockdowns.

SHVC 29th Aug 2021 06:29


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11102774)
Did she really say that? I read loosened restrictions, like you can go to the park if the adults are vaccinated, but nothing about lockdowns.

You can go to the park if you're vaccinated from 13th September max 5 ppl. presser today 70%= freedoms at 80%=no lock downs. it will become a pandemic of the un vaccinated.


Cirressna 29th Aug 2021 07:27


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11102766)
Ivermectin was used widely in India due to some flawed reasoning, it has since been removed from treatment advice as a result of a rethink.

https://medicaldialogues.in/news/hea...protocol-70790

There is some suggestion that IN LARGE doses far above normal it may offer some protection, however the doses required result in other complications, as this is not what the drug was designed for. Hence the FDA warning as some have ended up in trouble after taking the Equine tablets thinking the increased dose was safe and ending up dead or in hospital.

In normal safe doses it has negligible to no benefit vs Covid. Treatment using it is akin to saying, lets douse you in petrol and light it, yep, that kills the virus, but also the patient, oops. Maybe that's why we have orgs like the WHO and FDA to say what's safe to use.

India was also pumping patients full of other drugs including steroids which ended up giving some black fungus, which is nasty and kills at about 50% rates.

I'm by no means an Ivermectin advocate, and let's not turn this thread into that, but Oxford has started a trial on the drug for the treatment of covid. It will be very interesting what the results are. Does basically everyone have to apologise to Craig Kelly etc if it does prove effective? Reminds me of the lab leak 'conspiracy' that Fbook had to uncensor.

Study Link

Xeptu 29th Aug 2021 07:28

She said there won't be a "statewide" lockdown beyond 80% double dose. A fair call too, very unlikely any of the states would need to do that. The NSW critical care unit is at 50% capacity, if that were SA or WA we would be at full capacity. It didn't go un-noticed that Scomo got the credit for the extra 500,000 doses either. What are the odds that should a breakout occur in SA or WA the states will be slated as incompetent fools for not having enough people vaxed. The political web we weave.

43Inches 29th Aug 2021 07:55

Ciressna, yep, the initial studies were positive, but it's my understanding that the dose required for it to work is way above the regarded safe dose. The resultant side effects from that dose level can result in nausea, severe diarrhea and other not so nice things, which is pretty much what covid gives its mild sufferers anyway. Like steroids it may have some use in this amount vs severe cases where the patient might die otherwise, but it seems India has backed away from it's use due to no firm evidence over thousands of uses that in real life it achieves anything. Indian doctors have done all sorts of weird things with different drugs that has actually made some patients worse off, like the incorrect application of steroids in early cases rather than to treat severe symptoms, resulting in black fungus infection.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...hical-concerns

Interesting read that where it seems the study was completely bogus with false data presented, then revoked as "ethical concerns"

It's nice to think that it could be some sort of magical elixer vs covid, but the fact that it and HCQ have been removed from recommended treatment lists in India means they are pretty sure it has no beneficial effect, otherwise why not continue it's use. It's cheap and abundant.

SHVC 29th Aug 2021 08:14


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11102805)
She said there won't be a "statewide" lockdown beyond 80% double dose. A fair call too, very unlikely any of the states would need to do that. The NSW critical care unit is at 50% capacity, if that were SA or WA we would be at full capacity. It didn't go un-noticed that Scomo got the credit for the extra 500,000 doses either. What are the odds that should a breakout occur in SA or WA the states will be slated as incompetent fools for not having enough people vaxed. The political web we weave.

No, Gladys said “the whole point of getting to those vaccination milestones you don’t have lockdowns in the future you manage the disease” 35 minutes in.


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