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highflyer40 30th Aug 2021 13:29


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11103449)
point 3. is however discrimination, replace vaccinated, with religion.

Itís not discrimination. As the laws on discrimination in Australia are very specific in that it only applies to certain attributes. Such as age, disability, sex, religion, and a few others I canít be bothered to type. So there is no framework in law in Australia for someone to claim discrimination for being made redundant for not being vaccinated. There may be other laws you could use, but this isnít one of them.

MickG0105 30th Aug 2021 13:43


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11103449)
point 3. is however discrimination, replace vaccinated, with religion.

To quote from the Fair Work Ombudsman webpage on workplace discrimination;


Discrimination occurs in the workplace when an employer takes adverse action against an employee or prospective employee because of a protected attribute.
Religion is a protected attribute; medical status is not. They are not interchangeable for the purpose of determining discrimination in the workplace.

SHVC 30th Aug 2021 21:52

Anna stay away has done her self and state proud once again. Banning all entry into QLD not even allowing a lady that’s had cancer treatment and lives 75km from the health center. But, if you’re a family member of the NRL you’re good to go come in as you please. QLD and WA have their own agendas which premier is more sick in the mind? Keeping hotels free for NRL family’s is just wrong QLDnrs should be ashamed of their premier.

Colonel_Klink 30th Aug 2021 22:13


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 11103439)
1. Australia does not have Emergency Use Authorisation for vaccines. The COVID vaccines were provisionally approved as per any vaccine.
2. Vaccines cannot be forced upon people, but it is quite legal to deny service/benefit or offer incentive.
3. It is likely businesses will not sack people for not being vaccinated, but will make them compulsorily redundant.

The third point is wishful thinking to say the least. The QF group have come out and said if you donít fulfil the requirements of your role (ie have the COVID vaccine), your employment will be terminated.

They are certainly not going to be paying QF long haul pilots a 96 week redundancy if they refuse to be vaccinated.

Airline pilots in Australia (both QF group and Virgin) have a very clear decision to make over the next 6-8 weeks - get vaccinated or run the very real risk that you will no longer have a job.

Pretty easy decision really.

DirectAnywhere 30th Aug 2021 22:43


Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink (Post 11103685)
The third point is wishful thinking to say the least. The QF group have come out and said if you donít fulfil the requirements of your role (ie have the COVID vaccine), your employment will be terminated.

They are certainly not going to be paying QF long haul pilots a 96 week redundancy if they refuse to be vaccinated.

Airline pilots in Australia (both QF group and Virgin) have a very clear decision to make over the next 6-8 weeks - get vaccinated or run the very real risk that you will no longer have a job.

Pretty easy decision really.

Iím very confident that the number of pilots willing to be terminated on the basis of principle will be counted on the fingers of less than one hand.

Colonel_Klink 30th Aug 2021 23:24


Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere (Post 11103697)
Iím very confident that the number of pilots willing to be terminated on the basis of principle will be counted on the fingers of less than one hand.

Couldnít agree more.

Plenty of shouting from the rooftops from the usual suspects, but I would suggest that all of these Ďprincipledí pilots wonít be putting their $200k airline job at risk.

galdian 30th Aug 2021 23:32

More likely I'd expect there'll be some who are looking to "manufacture" a medical reason why they cannot partake of the vaccine.

Could be an interesting tightrope to find something that doesn't bring into question your ability to hold a Class 1 medical.

Xeptu 31st Aug 2021 01:36

If there's any chance of opening borders at 80% vaccinated in or about DEC, which I agree that is what the federal government is implying, then we need to get some bus loads of distribution teams with vaccines on a road trip into the remote regions of the national food bowl fairly smartly, that's going to take a long time to vaccinate all those farming communities. If the virus gets in there before they are vaccinated there won't be a harvest this year or crops next year. That would be a national catastrophe. How do we make this happen, the National Party isn't what it used to be.

Chronic Snoozer 31st Aug 2021 01:41


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11103754)
If there's any chance of opening borders at 80% vaccinated in or about DEC, which I agree that is what the federal government is implying, then we need to get some bus loads of distribution teams with vaccines on a road trip into the remote regions of the national food bowl fairly smartly, that's going to take a long time to vaccinate all those farming communities. If the virus gets in there before they are vaccinated there won't be a harvest this year or crops next year. That would be a national catastrophe. How do we make this happen, the National Party isn't what it used to be.

Mandate the vaccine?

Xeptu 31st Aug 2021 01:55


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11103756)
Mandate the vaccine?

No need! they want the vaccine, they just can't get it, all the focus is on NSW first and even then the Cities not so much the regions, same for VIC. How long do we have to wait.

Maggie Island 31st Aug 2021 02:04


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11103762)
How long do we have to wait.

No need! We have all the AZ we could want and then some!!

SHVC 31st Aug 2021 02:05

Gladdy is mad keen on opening international to NSW at 80% vax rate. I wonder if thats her indicating NSW going their own course leaving the other states to manage travelers as they approach their borders.

Xeptu 31st Aug 2021 02:05


Originally Posted by Maggie Island (Post 11103765)
No need! We have all the AZ we could want and then some!!

Well get it to us then

JustinHeywood 31st Aug 2021 02:15


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11103767)
Well get it [AZ vaccine] to us then

Dont know where you are Xptu but in the NSW regions thereís virtually no waiting for an AZ.

Trouble is, many people have decided that Pfizer is the one they want and not many takers for the AZ.

There is a risk of side effects for both vaccines of course, but itís minuscule. This hasnít stopped people playing politics with the publicís fears and ignorance though.

Xeptu 31st Aug 2021 02:19


Originally Posted by JustinHeywood (Post 11103770)
Dont know where you are Xptu but in the NSW regions thereís virtually no waiting for an AZ.

Trouble is, many people have decided that Pfizer is the one they want and not many takers for the AZ.

There is a risk of side effects for both vaccines of course, but itís minuscule. This hasnít stopped people playing politics with the publicís fears and ignorance though.

The regions have never been ones to complain about choice, that's you city folk. AZ is fine by us, in fact it's preferred, just get scomo to get it to us like he's supposed to be doing.

KRviator 31st Aug 2021 02:35

ZOMGORRRZZZ! We've just passed 1,000 Covid deaths. That's terrible! A true tragedy, horrible! We MUST do something to stop all these people DYING from Covid! Lockdown! And over there, there's children playing in the park! Police! ARREST THEM! :mad:

Meanwhile, in the Oncology ward, a Doctor sighs as he fills out the death certificate and says "That's the 5,658th lung cancer victim this year...":ugh:

layman 31st Aug 2021 02:37

Supply it and they will come
 
ACT 70+ year olds now at 99.45% having had their first dose ... and still going higher each day.

Supply (of an Ďacceptableí vaccine) & our ability to deliver, would seem to be the main constraints.

Obviously not the whole story, but vaccine hesitancy may be more a very small (but noisy) minority than a real issue

JustinHeywood 31st Aug 2021 02:49


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11103773)
The regions have never been ones to complain about choice, that's you city folk. AZ is fine by us, in fact it's preferred, just get scomo to get it to us like he's supposed to be doing.

Iím in the regions Xep, and most people I know are either waiting for Pfizer or ant-vax idiots anyway (NSW north coast). Pretty much anyone can get AZ - my son got it yesterday after booking in over the weekend.

MickG0105 31st Aug 2021 02:55


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11103775)
Meanwhile, in the Oncology ward, a Doctor sighs as he fills out the death certificate and says "That's the 5,658th lung cancer victim this year...":ugh:

On the basis that around 4,527 of 5,658 deaths from lung cancer were likely directly related to smoking, little doubt as to what your fictitious doctor was sighing about.

Chronic Snoozer 31st Aug 2021 02:57


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11103775)
ZOMGORRRZZZ! We've just passed 1,000 Covid deaths. That's terrible! A true tragedy, horrible! We MUST do something to stop all these people DYING from Covid! Lockdown! And over there, there's children playing in the park! Police! ARREST THEM! :mad:

Meanwhile, in the Oncology ward, a Doctor sighs as he fills out the death certificate and says "That's the 5,658th lung cancer victim this year...":ugh:

I wasn't aware lung cancer is a highly contagious virus. How long would the average lung cancer victim have been known to the medical system and how much treatment would they have received versus a COVID victim? Do lung cancer sufferers often die within 12 days? Adriana Takara


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