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43Inches 16th Aug 2021 05:51


Currently you claim - that with your company - If you have the Flu - you are not permitted to fly. Is that true? I believe it, ie if you present with a fever etc then you may not be permitted to travel. BUT your company, does not, and have never asked, upon check in to show proof that the passenger has had a Flu Vaccination.
DO YOU SEE WHAT I AM SAYING.
Yes I know, what I'm saying is in the future I have no say in what direction they go in. They might require a vaccine passport, nothing I can do about that. France has mandated it for train travel, so the likelihood increases as other similar nations adopt it. How it would be practical or ethical or within human rights, I will have no say in that.

43Inches 16th Aug 2021 06:23


So if I have HIV, am I still allowed to go to bars and procure sex, or do I get locked down with police knocking on my door with stay home orders because im infected.
If you sleep with a partner without telling them you are HIV positive, you can be jailed. So yes you can go to bars etc and procure whatever and you must disclose any diseases that could infect them that you are aware of. HIV is only transmitted via blood etc. You can not walk past someone and infect them.

A partner can actually sue you if they can prove you knowingly slept with them knowing you had an STDs. Same way you can be fined or sued for spitting on someone as its known to spread disease of just about anything.

The idea of lockdowns and isolation is to limit the spread opportunity for easily communicable diseases that can transmit easily to unwilling participants.

43Inches 16th Aug 2021 06:31

You are welcome!

Lead Balloon 16th Aug 2021 06:46


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11095828)
Because they know the plebs just barrack for Labor or Liberal with very little swinging, virtually no political education. Business on the other hand knows exactly how important who's in power is to your bottom line and how they can operate.

You want them to listen to the people, then you need the masses to actually care at an election and swing with the actual policies.

I used to be staunch anti labor, why, hate for what happened in '89. I've gotten over that and realised that the Coalition has done just as much damage in the 90s with privatisation of airports and airservices than the strike cost. I realised the Egos that cost in '89 are gone, but the policies that have driven GA to oblivion are still pursued.

Precisely!

Scooter Rassmussin 16th Aug 2021 07:17

As the Vaccine does not stop transmission and the states want COVID Zero , then it cannot happen , people will still get sick and die from Covid , smaller numbers maybe but they cannot achieve what they are after .
Once everyone has the chance to be vaccinated then itís a personal risk to go without , itís not going to stop the pandemic.
Please change the thread name to All Borders never to open please !
pS canít someone get rid of the Dick Smith ads please !

Paragraph377 16th Aug 2021 07:25


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11095828)
I used to be staunch anti labor, why, hate for what happened in '89. I've gotten over that and realised that the Coalition has done just as much damage in the 90s with privatisation of airports and airservices than the strike cost. I realised the Egos that cost in '89 are gone, but the policies that have driven GA to oblivion are still pursued.

Great comment. Iím really starting to like you old mate. In fact the CASA regulatory reform program commenced in 1988, 1 year prior to the day Australian aviation changed forever in 1989. The Ďprogramí was completed I believe Ďlast yearí according to bureaucrat Shane Carmody. Half a billion dollars and 32 years later - all done (the Ďsuccessí of that program is very much debatable) So, if we are to go by the lack of competence displayed by past and present governments, and using aviation as an example, then we may see Mr Morrison and the State government leaders grappling with trying to mitigate COVID for another 32 years, unsuccessfully!!


Turnleft080 16th Aug 2021 07:33

The Democratic Republic of ShagNasty have just deployed a couple of F35s armed and heading for WA. McGowan rings Scotty I need your help. Sorry mate you have a hard border up I can't do anything. May have given someone a cartoon idea.

machtuk 16th Aug 2021 07:46


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11095794)
43In

Why can't you see the difference here - IF YOU ARE VACCINATED YOU MAY STILL GET THE FLU OR COVID. Your statement above - if you have flu or any communicable disease is already considered a no go condition - SO DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE TO SHOW YOU A FLU VACCINATION PROOF BEFORE I GET ON YOUR PLANE? Are you getting it yet?

Hey 'Rexy' I see you are still alive there?:-) Funny about that!:-)
I wonder how all the Commy Dan lovers are feeling now in Melb with another 2 weeks & curfew? Still feeling the love are we?:-)
The grubby media & corrupt Govt love stats & numbers, it is entertaining I guess whilst I await to die of this dreadful disease that Dan said if I catch it I will die from it:-):-)

See you at the bar Rexy, in say 2025, if we are lucky:-)

minigundiplomat 16th Aug 2021 08:05


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11095827)
gladys saying as long as we have delta, or presumably any other similar variant, even at 80% vaccinated we will still have restrictions.

hey Gladys. You can F*CK RIGHT OFF WITH THAT. Grow a pair and be a F*CKING leader and an adult. People will die from it. Get used to it. Stop your bullshit.

People die mate. Everyday, for all sorts of reasons, even non-COVID related reasons.

Iím not sure when we lost sight of that.

Green.Dot 16th Aug 2021 08:48

For those losing hope and losing their sh!t I thought itís timely to post another up to date graph of our friends in the UK. Point to note- death rates have stabilised and steady even with significant cases numbers.

If you arenít willing to get vaccinated, your choice, but you are scum to the rest of society.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8bca84d93.jpeg







Turnleft080 16th Aug 2021 08:59

Hence Lord's cricket ground full house, plus all the first round of EPL.

Livinthedream320 16th Aug 2021 09:03

Hey Green Dot
There is a real legal difference in the definition of someone, either willing to get a normal proven vaccination or in this case the covid-19 experimental vaccine.
Those that choose not to participate in clinical trials are not scum.

Capn Rex Havoc 16th Aug 2021 09:20

GreenDot-

If you arenít willing to get vaccinated, your choice, but you are scum to the rest of society.
If you are vaccinated why do you care about those who are not?

KRviator 16th Aug 2021 09:22

Because unless "those who are not" account for less than 19.9% of the population, most posters here, probably including yours truly, won't have a job to go back to after Christmas!

Capn Rex Havoc 16th Aug 2021 09:28

Sorta hoping for GreenDot to respond.

But anyhow KR, - The vaccination numbers mean naught - 70% 80% it doesn't matter - Delta will be here and D will kill people. Hey smoking kills way more people yet the "guvmint" hasn't banned all cigarettes.

The The 16th Aug 2021 10:14


Originally Posted by Livinthedream320 (Post 11095917)
Hey Green Dot
There is a real legal difference in the definition of someone, either willing to get a normal proven vaccination or in this case the covid-19 experimental vaccine.
Those that choose not to participate in clinical trials are not scum.

Without realising you are participating in the clinical trials - as the control group. Lol!

43Inches 16th Aug 2021 10:20


Without realising you are participating in the clinical trials - as the control group. Lol!
Gold and so true, all those dead unvaxed are in the same clinical trial. Although the trial stopped about 6 months ago and we just like watching the control group suffer for laughs...Oh no one told them that being vaccinated saves ya, oh well.... It's interesting what the unvaxed in the Israeli study thought about it, were they even told they were in a study?

"Hey Carl, thanks for joining our vaccination study, you've been teamed with Bob who's just like you to see who will die a painful, horribly drawn out, gasping for air death first. Don't worry Carl we worked out whos going to die in the trials, being the vaccinated cohort you wont get much more than a sniffle, Bob on the otherhand..... We just have to let a few more die to prove to the others"

MickG0105 16th Aug 2021 12:18


Originally Posted by Blackout (Post 11095802)
I think you missed the point of my statement.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2021B00078

Missed the point of your statement?! You couldn't have found the point with a scanning electron microscope because you didn't make a statement, you posted two links that were entirely unrelated to your original contention that the introduction of a vaccine passport was against the Australian Constitution.

Now you've tossed another link at the wall, presumably hoping something will stick. Craig Kelly's private member's bill, no less.

The only references to the Australian Constitution in Kelly's bill are to various sub-sections of s 51, the Section dealing with the Federal Parliament's legislative powers. He references s 51(v) postal, telegraphic, telephonic, and other like services; s 51(xiv) insurance, other than State insurance; also State insurance extending beyond the limits of the State concerned; and s 51 (xx) foreign corporations, and trading or financial corporations formed within the limits of the Commonwealth. Care to join the dots on any of that?

Of course, Craig Kelly being Craig Kelly, in Section 3 Definitions, he ensures that the term 'vaccination' includes hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, and vitamin D and zinc.

If you do want to take exception with actions that are 'against the Australian Constitution', then Section 8 of Kelly's bill should give you grounds for concern. That's the part of the bill where Kelly proposes that the Commonwealth override the States' constitutional right to legislate on health matters.

Separately, there's Section 10, Kelly's swag of prohibitions on businesses and voluntary organisations, including to a bizarre level of specificity a 'chess club or knitting group' (but interestingly not a 'bridge club or sewing group'). That Section would prohibit any business, say a private hospital, and any voluntary organisation, say a cancer care group, from restricting entry to their premises to any person who was not vaccinated. That's not troubling at all?

Chronic Snoozer 16th Aug 2021 13:19


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11095932)
Sorta hoping for GreenDot to respond.

Hey smoking kills way more people yet the "guvmint" hasn't banned all cigarettes.

Smokers have little regard for their own health or those around them who suffer the effects of passive smoking. So I guess your analogy works.

JJ 789 16th Aug 2021 13:59


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11096069)
Smokers have little regard for their own health or those around them who suffer the effects of passive smoking. So I guess your analogy works.

Chronic Snoozer you sure sound like a real snooze. Who cares if people decide to smoke and may enjoy it? They don't set out to intentionally "ruin" their health. In that case, may as well ban alcohol, junk food, unprotected sex.. You sound like you haven't had the pleasures of any of these things anyway.
As for passive smoking, I'm sure people breathe in a lot worse particles in their daily lives than walking by someone smoking a cigarette outdoors.
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