Great comment. I’m really starting to like you old mate. In fact the CASA regulatory reform program commenced in 1988, 1 year prior to the day Australian aviation changed forever in 1989. The ‘program’ was completed I believe ‘last year’ according to bureaucrat Shane Carmody. Half a billion dollars and 32 years later - all done (the ‘success’ of that program is very much debatable) So, if we are to go by the lack of competence displayed by past and present governments, and using aviation as an example, then we may see Mr Morrison and the State government leaders grappling with trying to mitigate COVID for another 32 years, unsuccessfully!!

The Democratic Republic of ShagNasty have just deployed a couple of F35s armed and heading for WA. McGowan rings Scotty I need your help. Sorry mate you have a hard border up I can't do anything. May have given someone a cartoon idea.

Hey 'Rexy' I see you are still alive there?:-) Funny about that!:-)
I wonder how all the Commy Dan lovers are feeling now in Melb with another 2 weeks & curfew? Still feeling the love are we?:-)
The grubby media & corrupt Govt love stats & numbers, it is entertaining I guess whilst I await to die of this dreadful disease that Dan said if I catch it I will die from it:-):-)

See you at the bar Rexy, in say 2025, if we are lucky:-)

People die mate. Everyday, for all sorts of reasons, even non-COVID related reasons.

I’m not sure when we lost sight of that.

For those losing hope and losing their sh!t I thought it’s timely to post another up to date graph of our friends in the UK. Point to note- death rates have stabilised and steady even with significant cases numbers.

If you aren’t willing to get vaccinated, your choice, but you are scum to the rest of society.


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Hence Lord's cricket ground full house, plus all the first round of EPL.

Hey Green Dot
There is a real legal difference in the definition of someone, either willing to get a normal proven vaccination or in this case the covid-19 experimental vaccine.
Those that choose not to participate in clinical trials are not scum.

GreenDot- If you are vaccinated why do you care about those who are not?

Because unless "those who are not" account for less than 19.9% of the population, most posters here, probably including yours truly, won't have a job to go back to after Christmas!

Sorta hoping for GreenDot to respond.

But anyhow KR, - The vaccination numbers mean naught - 70% 80% it doesn't matter - Delta will be here and D will kill people. Hey smoking kills way more people yet the "guvmint" hasn't banned all cigarettes.

Without realising you are participating in the clinical trials - as the control group. Lol!

Gold and so true, all those dead unvaxed are in the same clinical trial. Although the trial stopped about 6 months ago and we just like watching the control group suffer for laughs...Oh no one told them that being vaccinated saves ya, oh well.... It's interesting what the unvaxed in the Israeli study thought about it, were they even told they were in a study?

"Hey Carl, thanks for joining our vaccination study, you've been teamed with Bob who's just like you to see who will die a painful, horribly drawn out, gasping for air death first. Don't worry Carl we worked out whos going to die in the trials, being the vaccinated cohort you wont get much more than a sniffle, Bob on the otherhand..... We just have to let a few more die to prove to the others"

Missed the point of your statement?! You couldn't have found the point with a scanning electron microscope because you didn't make a statement, you posted two links that were entirely unrelated to your original contention that the introduction of a vaccine passport was against the Australian Constitution.

Now you've tossed another link at the wall, presumably hoping something will stick. Craig Kelly's private member's bill, no less.

The only references to the Australian Constitution in Kelly's bill are to various sub-sections of s 51, the Section dealing with the Federal Parliament's legislative powers. He references s 51(v) postal, telegraphic, telephonic, and other like services; s 51(xiv) insurance, other than State insurance; also State insurance extending beyond the limits of the State concerned; and s 51 (xx) foreign corporations, and trading or financial corporations formed within the limits of the Commonwealth. Care to join the dots on any of that?

Of course, Craig Kelly being Craig Kelly, in Section 3 Definitions, he ensures that the term 'vaccination' includes hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, and vitamin D and zinc.

If you do want to take exception with actions that are 'against the Australian Constitution', then Section 8 of Kelly's bill should give you grounds for concern. That's the part of the bill where Kelly proposes that the Commonwealth override the States' constitutional right to legislate on health matters.

Separately, there's Section 10, Kelly's swag of prohibitions on businesses and voluntary organisations, including to a bizarre level of specificity a 'chess club or knitting group' (but interestingly not a 'bridge club or sewing group'). That Section would prohibit any business, say a private hospital, and any voluntary organisation, say a cancer care group, from restricting entry to their premises to any person who was not vaccinated. That's not troubling at all?

Smokers have little regard for their own health or those around them who suffer the effects of passive smoking. So I guess your analogy works.

Chronic Snoozer you sure sound like a real snooze. Who cares if people decide to smoke and may enjoy it? They don't set out to intentionally "ruin" their health. In that case, may as well ban alcohol, junk food, unprotected sex.. You sound like you haven't had the pleasures of any of these things anyway.
As for passive smoking, I'm sure people breathe in a lot worse particles in their daily lives than walking by someone smoking a cigarette outdoors.
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Australia really is out of control, so sad to watch.

For those worried about being tracked through a vaccine passport, do you use an idevice or android? Everything is linked and tracked unless you opt out which is hard. Do you surf the web? Again tracked and you get hit with adds.

We have all said it, yellow fever, etc on the yellow travel card was the norm, if technology had been around back then then it would have been used. The fear mongering is amazing.

The biggest issue is will 70%, 80% unlock the country? Nope. A leader or a change to what is required needs to happen to make all states/territories work together.

Yes get the vaccination numbers up and let it rip, it is simply the only way out of the lockdown madness. Yes compare to the UK, Europe, the USA, living with Covid is the reality. Covid zero is not. The problem we all have is that we are unified by the fact we work in one of the most effected industries.

QLD have announced this morning like WA proof that you have had 1 does of a approved vaccine. If QF can’t make us take it without being held liable for any side affects how can states not be held liable for their hard line vaccination request. I’m happy for this by the way it needs to be like this considering ppl are getting their advice from Facebook and Instagram then believing in that. The vaccine should be made available to everyone by yrs end that so want it. Vaccinated ppl then need to have free rain of travel and movement January 1st 2022 and let the unvaccinated stay home locked away for a change.

My best guess! Most of us expect to be vaccinated and at least 80% of us in the first quarter of 2022, that's both doses and time to be deemed effectively protected. I would expect masks and whatever safety procedures to be in place by then. I would expect to see domestic travel to rise progressively to around 60% of precovid capacity and International up to around 40% by end 2023. All that assuming there is no breakout strain that renders the vaccine ineffective and the long term implications of the virus do not effect life expectancy, reproduction or any significant disability. Should any of those things become apparent, vaccinated or not, then I would expect the borders to remain restricted both internally and externally in some significant way.

SHVC Why on earth would you say that? Why would the unvaccinated have to stay home locked away? If an unvaccinated person wants to go out into the community, he/she has the right to so, and uses his/her own risk management/protection protocols.

Yaaabut...

When the unvaccinated end up clogging up all the nation's ICUs, despite the 'risk management/protection protocols' used by the unvaccinated while roaming free, the outcome is that there's no room left for the vaccinated when they have their heart attacks, serious accidents and other medical crises.