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MickG0105 29th Jul 2021 00:41

Out of today's Oz, vaccine hesitancy data out of the Melbourne Institute ...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0e8bf35ae4.jpg

WingNut60 29th Jul 2021 00:55


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11086463)
I see you're from Indonesia. Are you there now, how are you getting along, the stats are not looking pleasant over there. My thoughts are with Indonesia.

No. I'm back in Perth.
Still have friends and family in Indonesia.

Outer areas (lower population) are still half liveable. Larger cities, particularly on Java and Bali, are in a terrible position.
I have a niece who is a doctor at a large hospital in Bali. Her accounts are frightening; while at the same time doing her best to conceal her own fear.

She has mentioned a broad feeling that the Sinovac vaccine is proving to be of little use.
Personally, from a long residency in the country, I would suspect that the biggest problem with the vaccine would be knowing whether you had actually been vaccinated at all.

Of course, as with other less-developed countries, the biggest problem with measures to limit social inter-action and movements is that, without the ability to earn money for sustenance, people will die of starvation, not Covid.




SOPS 29th Jul 2021 01:07

239 new cases in NSW. Gladys really has to stop people moving around.And I mean stop them.

Agent_86 29th Jul 2021 01:07


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11086478)
Also strong word over 200 will be announced for NSW today

239 with only 81 not active in the community during their infectious period....

Ladloy 29th Jul 2021 01:15

Onya Gladys. Gold Standard!

Green.Dot 29th Jul 2021 01:17

Sadly itís a bit like watching the Titanic start to take on water.

A vaccine equals a life jacket right now. Grab one while you can!

WingNut60 29th Jul 2021 01:26


Originally Posted by Agent_86 (Post 11086485)
239 with only 81 not active in the community during their infectious period....

I wonder how many of those emanated from last weekends rally?
The timing is about right.

PoppaJo 29th Jul 2021 01:28

Whilst itís still a drop on the ocean compared to some other countries surging at the moment, itís seems to be well seeded now that they will soon join those others in the 1000s.

Singapore was heading in the same direction as Sydney however they have now turned the corner and started the downward trend for the past week.

SOPS 29th Jul 2021 01:28


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11086491)
I wonder how many of those emanated from last weekends rally?
The timing is about right.

.

Thatís a good point.

KRviator 29th Jul 2021 01:35


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11086491)
I wonder how many of those emanated from last weekends rally?
The timing is about right.

True, though it'll be interesting to observe how many at the protest didn't get it, if any. ISTR the same was said about the Melbourne protest, yet very few, if any, cases were eventually traced back to it.

I'm wondering how many of these "out 'n' about while infectious" cases speak a language other than English at home....And in turn, whether they think the rules don't apply to them.

SHVC 29th Jul 2021 01:35


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11086491)
I wonder how many of those emanated from last weekends rally?
The timing is about right.

it has only been 5 days, wouldn't 10-14 be more likely a time frame to link Saturdays madness to cases?

MickG0105 29th Jul 2021 01:40


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11086496)
it has only been 5 days, wouldn't 10-14 be more likely a time frame to link Saturdays madness to cases?

Exposure to positive PCR result for delta is 3-5 days, with the peak at nearly 4 days. Much faster than the earlier variants.

WingNut60 29th Jul 2021 01:53

Is there no irony in attending a rally to protest whatever the hell they were protesting about and to then go and get tested?

minigundiplomat 29th Jul 2021 01:54


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11086495)
I'm wondering how many of these "out 'n' about while infectious" cases speak a language other than English at home....And in turn, whether they think the rules don't apply to them.

I was about to debunk that by pointing out Melbourneís Western suburbs faced the same language challenges during last years great Victorian Ďlockathoní but then I seem to recall 40 of them gathered for a family dinner.

SOPS 29th Jul 2021 02:10


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11086495)
True, though it'll be interesting to observe how many at the protest didn't get it, if any. ISTR the same was said about the Melbourne protest, yet very few, if any, cases were eventually traced back to it.

I'm wondering how many of these "out 'n' about while infectious" cases speak a language other than English at home....And in turn, whether they think the rules don't apply to them.

I have been wondering the same thing. I bet there are quite a few who think the rules donít apply to themÖ. They only listen to a higher authority.

SHVC 29th Jul 2021 02:14

I very much doubt anyone who attended on Saturday would of been tested.

Foxxster 29th Jul 2021 02:21


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11086474)
As of this morning the UK has 88.1% of all adults with their first vaccination and 71.1% have had both - but they opened up with (I think) 80 & 66%-ish. Source

I would be very surprised to see Australia, not just NSW, get close to 80% in any reasonable timeframe, both due to vaccine hesitancy and Scotty's mishandling of the rollout.

Ah ha. Well I guess it does depend on what measure is used. It makes sense to only use the adult population as these vaccines haven’t yet been approved for children, although I think Pfizer had been approved for 12 up now here and also just approved in the uk for 12+. Not sure about other countries. But then again children are obviously part of the population so we really need both measures but be clear as to what is being used. I hope Gladys was talking about the adult population.


Lockdowns are set to be become "a thing of the past" with Australia on track to have a high percentage of the population vaccinated by Christmas, Scott Morrison has said.

The Prime Minister said with the nation now administering more than one million COVID-19 vaccine doses a week, he believes by the end of the year "everyone who has had the opportunity for a vaccine will have had it".

"I would expect by Christmas that we would be seeing a very different Australia to what we are seeing now," Mr Morrison said on Wednesday.

"What we are seeing overseas is once countries reach that much higher vaccination rate, that gives their governments a lot more options in the suppression limitations they have to use to deal with the virus.

"Lockdowns become a thing of the past when you are at that level.

MickG0105 29th Jul 2021 02:53


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11086501)
I very much doubt anyone who attended on Saturday would of been tested.

If they were getting crook enough, they may not have had a choice.

Torukmacto 29th Jul 2021 02:57

Like the mother of the 2 removalists many will avoid doing anything . Too scared to get taken away from their family and communities . Especially minorities with language barriers . Goverments all around the world are dealing with this issue .

Lead Balloon 29th Jul 2021 03:11


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11086465)
$450 billion, $600 billion - call it $525 as an estimate with Ī15 percent error bars. Is the spend more than the value of statistical life figure? Yes, most assuredly. Is it 'orders of magnitude higher'? No, most assuredly not.
<snip>.

I've not used the phrase "orders of magnitude higher". And so what if the spend is not of that magnitude?

You're supposed to be a numbers and facts person. The fact is that, on your numbers, the ever-increasing costs of the response are already greater than the statistical costs of the estimated lives saved. Leave the value judgment as to what to do or not to do about that to others.


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