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Australopithecus 31st Jan 2022 02:04

I am not convinced the WA lockdown means much to eastern states aviation activity. There are no border restrictions here in the engine room of the economy*, yet the terminals are pretty much deserted, and the few flights well under capacity. I am just starting a roster and will be lucky to do half of my pre covid hours.

*gratuitous piss take of WA

dr dre 31st Jan 2022 02:30


Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 11177533)
I am not convinced the WA lockdown means much to eastern states aviation activity. There are no border restrictions here in the engine room of the economy*, yet the terminals are pretty much deserted, and the few flights well under capacity. I am just starting a roster and will be lucky to do half of my pre covid hours.

*gratuitous piss take of WA

QF, which were planning on 100% of pre Covid domestic capacity and 30% of international capacity around now. When the Xmas/NY wave hit the east coast that went down to 70% of Domestic capacity, and 20% of International capacity for Feb/March. WA's extended closure only took that domestic number down from 70 to 60% for Feb/March.

For instance all Honolulu flights have been suspended until the end of March.

Australopithecus 31st Jan 2022 03:53

I heard on ABC this morning that households managed to squirrel away 240 Billion dollars in the last two years, and companies likewise had savings. While the government is calling this an “economic war chest”, it remains to be seen how this translates into pent-up demand. Since the building industry is unable to absorb all of those funds I am hoping that the punters rush back into travel.

As an aside, I can drive 77kms to the airport unfettered now-a once fantasy that isn’t that delicious after all.

KRviator 31st Jan 2022 04:36

It sure as hell ain't ourhousehold. I did the numbers last month on the assumption I'd be going back to work next week. We (I) have lost about $350,000 due to the WA border closure. That's made up of slightly under two years lost salary (but still increasing now....), about 10 months worth of accrued annual & long service leave I had saved and was forced to take, $50,000 in lost superannuation and $15,000 in lost bonuses - and a lot of my FIFO colleagues are in a similar situation.

I'd love to know who's been able to save that kind of coin, because it is nearly $9,500 for every man, woman and child in the country.

minigundiplomat 31st Jan 2022 06:20

I’ve lived in 6 countries and worked long term in numerous others; I have never seen accrued household wealth and savings used as a metric of a nations financial well-being.

GDP, GNP, Exports, Reserves - yes.

How much Wayne and Shirl have in the bank - nope.


Torukmacto 1st Feb 2022 00:08

Article is behind paywall but has Mark had another thought this morning ?

dr dre 1st Feb 2022 01:47


Originally Posted by Torukmacto (Post 11177994)
Article is behind paywall but has Mark had another thought this morning ?

There was a change to entry requirements for students that'll have a minor effect on overall travel, but the probably more significant thing is the outbreak of Covid in the iron ore mines, and now the big miners are pushing for a change to the less restrictive close contact rules. McGowan is initially resisting but more cases will only inevitably bring about that change, which is an important step in transition.

Ladloy 4th Feb 2022 03:15

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia...644d4e45350916

KRviator 4th Feb 2022 04:19

I think Alan Joyce said it better, comparing WA to North Korea.

Maye AJ would have more luck getting McCoward to pull his head out of his asre than Scotty from Marketing, "If you don't open the border by 28th Feb, QF9+10 will go via Darwin forevermore!"

dr dre 4th Feb 2022 04:36


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11179588)
I think Alan Joyce said it better, comparing WA to North Korea.

Maye AJ would have more luck getting McCoward to pull his head out of his asre than Scotty from Marketing, "If you don't open the border by 28th Feb, QF9+10 will go via Darwin forevermore!"

I think McGowan has the "sort of" upper hand. He knows there's enough local UK born in WA that there is always going to be a market for direct flights, plus there are practical limitations in Darwin with terminal and apron size etc.

AJ also probably knows that the delay is likely to be short lived, several weeks or so. Probably won't effect those services which weren't due to restart until April. But he needs to make headlines some how to put the pressure on, so you then get those attention grabbing comparisons.

I would even say the pressure being put on WA by airlines to open up is more due to their need to make profits in domestic interstate flying. No doubt the coffers of airlines have taken a big hit in January and upcoming in February and March. Approx 40% drop in domestic capacity, mostly due to the drop in demand from the eastern states. That's were the real money is made. They also know interstate flying in and out of WA will help restore that lost revenue.

So I'd say the pressure from Joyce is more to announce a date to restore confidence in booking on the domestic network primarily.

blubak 4th Feb 2022 04:51


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11179588)
I think Alan Joyce said it better, comparing WA to North Korea.

Maye AJ would have more luck getting McCoward to pull his head out of his asre than Scotty from Marketing, "If you don't open the border by 28th Feb, QF9+10 will go via Darwin forevermore!"

Its interesting to note that AJ never criticises the Hong Kong regime over their border being virtually closed.
I dont agree with what is happening in WA but why doesnt he compare HK to Nth Korea! I guess its because he likes to think he is important here in oz but hasnt got a set big enough to publicly criticise the Chinese & its not too long ago he found out with the failed JQ Hong Kong fiasco just how important he is up there.

dr dre 4th Feb 2022 04:56


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 11179594)
Its interesting to note that AJ never criticises the Hong Kong regime over their border being virtually closed.
I dont agree with what is happening in WA but why doesnt he compare HK to Nth Korea! I guess its because he likes to think he is important here in oz but hasnt got a set big enough to publicly criticise the Chinese & its not too long ago he found out with the failed JQ Hong Kong fiasco just how important he is up there.

No, read my post above. Airlines make their profits off domestic flying. They need the WA border open for domestic profits first and foremost.


BuzzBox 4th Feb 2022 04:58


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11179592)
I think McGowan has the "sort of" upper hand. He knows there's enough local UK born in WA that there is always going to be a market for direct flights, plus there are practical limitations in Darwin with terminal and apron size etc.

AJ also probably knows that the delay is likely to be short lived, several weeks or so. Probably won't effect those services which weren't due to restart until April. But he needs to make headlines some how to put the pressure on, so you then get those attention grabbing comparisons.

I would even say the pressure being put on WA by airlines to open up is more due to their need to make profits in domestic interstate flying. No doubt the coffers of airlines have taken a big hit in January and upcoming in February and March. Approx 40% drop in domestic capacity, mostly due to the drop in demand from the eastern states. That's were the real money is made. They also know interstate flying in and out of WA will help restore that lost revenue.

Well said. Joyce knows full well there's more money to be made by routing direct flights to Europe through Perth instead of Darwin. Silly comparisons between WA and North Korea might grab headlines, but McGowan is unlikely to change course over such petty tantrums.

BuzzBox 4th Feb 2022 05:07


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 11179594)
Its interesting to note that AJ never criticises the Hong Kong regime over their border being virtually closed.
I dont agree with what is happening in WA but why doesnt he compare HK to Nth Korea! I guess its because he likes to think he is important here in oz but hasnt got a set big enough to publicly criticise the Chinese & its not too long ago he found out with the failed JQ Hong Kong fiasco just how important he is up there.

Hong Kong is a very sensitive subject in Beijing and Joyce knows that public criticism of the Chinese could damage Qantas' business into China. Have a look at what Beijing did to Cathay Pacific when that airline's leaders took a hands-off approach to staff involvement in the 2019 demonstrations in Hong Kong.

KRviator 7th Feb 2022 03:46

FEBRUARY 21 2022 - Save the date. That is when (double vaccinated) tourists & tennis players are allowed quarantine-free entry to Victoria, NSW, Queensland, SA, Tasmania, the NT & the ACT.

Those wishing to enter The Democratic Peoples Republic of McGowanland will have to wait until until at least 2023 and will need to show proof of having had their 5th booster, a negative PCR test in the 48 hours prior to travel & agree having their movements tracked 24/7 for the first 21 days using the SafeWA app. *


Originally Posted by News.com
Scott Morrison makes major travel announcement
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has made a major announcement on international travel following a high-level meeting.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed back into the country from February 21.

A high-level meeting of the federal national security committee met on Monday to discuss when the border could reopen to international tourists. Under current restrictions only Australian citizens and permanent residents, their families, and those with certain visas and exemptions are allowed to enter the country. But two years after he first shuttered the borders, Mr Morrison declared double vaccinated arrivals would be welcomed back.

“If you’re double vaccinated, we look forward to welcoming you back to Australia and I know the tourism industry will be looking forward to that,” he told reporters in Canberra. Unvaccinated arrivals will still need to apply for a travel exemption and will have to provide proof they cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. Mr Morrison said the high profile deportation of Novak Djokovic should serve as a warning to those seeking to bend the rules.

“Your visa is one thing but your entry into Australia requires you also to be double vaccinated,” Mr Morrison said. “I think events earlier in the year should have sent a very clear message to everyone around the world that is the requirement to enter into Australia.”But in a twist, incoming tourists will not be required to have received a third dose of the Covid-19 vaccine, even if the nation’s expert immunisation panel expands the definition to include the booster dose.

Mr Morrison said chief medical officer Paul Kelly signed off on the double dose arrangement, given the “various arrangement” of third doses across the different countries.The announcement will come as welcome news for the tourism sector smashed by the pandemic. Asked if he could assure the sector he would not pull the rug from under them prior to the reopening, Mr Morrison indicated it was unlikely. “The fact is here in Australia, the variant is here in Australia. And for those who are coming in who are double vaccinated, they don’t present any greater risk than those who are already here in Australia,” he said.

“It's a sensible and I think very important move for us to make as we sort of, as best as we possibly can this year drive Australia back to a position of as much normality as we can achieve.” Source

*Statement may or may not be true

Icarus2001 7th Feb 2022 03:53

This will only serve to make WA look even more backward.

I think McGowan will have to open in March.

WingNut60 7th Feb 2022 05:05


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11180806)
*Statement may or may not be true

We knew that already. We saw who posted it.

KRviator 7th Feb 2022 05:29


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11180826)
We knew that already. We saw who posted it.

Perhaps I should run for the position of State Daddy of WA then?

Afterall, you can't believe a thing he says, either...:=

SHVC 7th Feb 2022 05:32


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11180808)
This will only serve to make WA look even more backward.

I think McGowan will have to open in March.

Well I think you’re off the mark. MM saying just now there is no date, re affirming deaths are out of control referencing QLD. WA is to remain closed without a date in sight. Not even committing to a vaccination number.

He is still running with, he is the lord savior and saving lives.

aussieflyboy 7th Feb 2022 05:38

The muppet WA State Gov are advertising on Melbourne radio (3AW and TripleM) for people to move to WA for a ‘better life’. Can’t even get in the joint and they’re spending tax payers money on rubbish ads! Common sense would say spend some money on your hospitals and reduce ambulance waiting times…


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