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neville_nobody 16th Oct 2021 03:02


May I ask.. why are you frustrated, Because we are not locked down, don’t have to wear masks.. can go to the pub.. what frustrates you?
Maybe something to do with the economic impact of a hard closed border, North Korean style approach to governance. If I took away all your income for a few years and put you on the dole I think you would feel differently about it.

Anyway WA is going to struggle next year if they want to keep it up. Rio have just started with production slow down due lack of staff. If they are having problems good luck finding anyone to work on a farm or in a remote town next year. If they don't want to open up it could blowup their whole economy as it grinds to halt. All very well to have lots of fully paid office workers sipping their morning latte but at the end of the day without people at the literal coalface nothing happens regardless of which industry you are in.

volare_737 16th Oct 2021 03:39


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 11127272)
Maybe something to do with the economic impact of a hard closed border, North Korean style approach to governance. If I took away all your income for a few years and put you on the dole I think you would feel differently about it.

Anyway WA is going to struggle next year if they want to keep it up. Rio have just started with production slow down due lack of staff. If they are having problems good luck finding anyone to work on a farm or in a remote town next year. If they don't want to open up it could blowup their whole economy as it grinds to halt. All very well to have lots of fully paid office workers sipping their morning latte but at the end of the day without people at the literal coalface nothing happens regardless of which industry you are in.


You are spot on !!! I can tell you how frustrating it is to speak to people here in WA and they can't see past there nose !!!

Icarus2001 16th Oct 2021 03:43


It is very tedious having to read you go on and on about how much you loathe Western Australia, its Premier and the "inbred bogans" who live here.
My bolding.
Is someone making you read his/her posts?

aviation_enthus 16th Oct 2021 04:47


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11127242)
May I ask.. why are you frustrated, Because we are not locked down, don’t have to wear masks.. can go to the pub.. what frustrates you?

The way this statement is made by many on here, it’s as if you believe you are the only place on the planet that has such “freedoms”.

Maybe within Australia you are doing better, but come the end of this year, I’d argue NSW (and maybe VIC in January) are going to have pretty similar quality of life, yet living with COVID.

Plenty of countries around the world are allowed to do all of the things you mention RIGHT NOW, with Covid cases…. Almost all of Europe is like this. The reality is once high rates of vaccination are achieved, the world moves on.

A lot of EU countries pushed vaccinations with various measures and then set a date to open up. McGowan needs to do the same. The people of WA need a reason to hurry and get vaccinated. At the moment I don’t think they have one.

PS, if you think WA will always be able to live like this without getting vaccinated, you’re living in La La Land. It’s inevitable that COVID will eventually get in. Same applies for QLD and the other states. So for this reason they also need to hurry up!!

Xeptu 16th Oct 2021 06:11

I have 2 remote groups in SA and WA scheduled for their first dose on the 20th and 22nd Oct, these were scheduled weeks ago back in August. I was alarmed at how far away that was, now that the time approaches I worry that something goes wrong on the day. There has been no hesitancy but I'm aware it exists in the suburbs of the capital cities, you guys in Perth would know more about that.
I believe Marshall Stevens and Emperor McGowan are right not to set a date for opening, it's too crushing when it doesn't happen, one just needs to look at NSW to see what happens.
As we approach 80% double dosed I would expect more urgency around the need to get vaxxed for opening the borders and I would expect that to occur around mid November.

As I see it all going well, I should expect SA WA and the NT will open their borders about mid December and I would expect scomo to open the International border at the same time.

The best thing you guys can do is encourage the deliberate stragglers in the burbs particularly the teenagers, "come on get it done the virus will be here for Christmas" lets try not to have any covid illness until after the new year.

Chronic Snoozer 16th Oct 2021 08:43


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11127321)
I believe Marshall Stevens and Emperor McGowan are right not to set a date for opening, it's too crushing when it doesn't happen, one just needs to look at NSW to see what happens.
As we approach 80% double dosed I would expect more urgency around the need to get vaxxed for opening the borders and I would expect that to occur around mid November.

Yes it's much better we have vague statements like this.

Daddy says....

I feel for anyone that has a business and just wants to get on with it. Zoom meetings don't cut it - a lot of business just has to be done face to face.

compressor stall 16th Oct 2021 09:00


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11127242)
May I ask.. why are you frustrated, Because we are not locked down, don’t have to wear masks.. can go to the pub.. what frustrates you?

Let me guess, you haven't been to North America, Europe or the Middle East in the last 6 months? 'Cos they have those three things too.

Angle of Attack 16th Oct 2021 09:27

It’s all about the woefully inadequate WA health system, it’s not just the last several years it’s the last few decades. I’ve lived in every State and Territory except Tassie in the last 25 years and without an inch of doubt WA has the absolute worst public health system in the whole country. McGowan is just scared, that’s why he is pursuing his crappy strategy. And for note I lived in Perth for a few years 20 years ago and even then the health system was an absolute joke, totally ineffective. All good to have a nice surplus but pretty shit when you have 18000 hours of ambulance ramping a month…..without Covid…….. don’t ever move to that sand cesspit it has been crap for decades and will be for decades more, especially with Iron ore now tanking and now no workers…..up the proverbial creek without a paddle…Open up and leave the lepers in their own prison. I support WA opening the borders in 2080.

Thirsty 16th Oct 2021 10:01


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11127216)
“if you don’t like it…leave!” Hilarious :hmm:

I hear Poland is accepting refugees from Australia...



Koizi 16th Oct 2021 21:21

To move away from the WA bickering, I was wondering about this thought I had comparing the covid case load between SYD and MEL.

Sydney of course is a few weeks ahead of Mel in vax rate, but the case load differences still don't seem to align.

I'm wondering whether the relaxing of restrictions (making gatherings in outdoor settings more available quickly) actually has helped to stop the spread.
I cant help but wonder if the overly tight restrictions in Melbourne are actually pushing the population to meet in the very place they don't want us to - our homes.
Perhaps if even now, we opened outdoor dining etc, residents wouldn't not be forced to have their gatherings behind closed doors in their homes, which is where all our spread it coming from.

Maybe a big part of Sydney's success so far is consciously nudging the population into the great outdoors - or at least the world beyond their cosy homes.

Lead Balloon 16th Oct 2021 22:19

I think the more-likely explanation is that many Melbournians were well and truly 'over it' a long time ago and there was widespread non-compliance with the 'tight restrictions'. But I have no hard evidence to support that.

Koizi 16th Oct 2021 22:31


I think the more-likely explanation is that many Melbournians were well and truly 'over it' a long time ago and there was widespread non-compliance with the 'tight restrictions'. But I have no hard evidence to support that.
No doubt.

But surely someone in the ivory tower could sense the attitudes of the people wandering around below.
Rather than fighting that with tougher restrictions, which only promotes further non-compliance, they could have let people be more free outdoors with probably a far less case load than they have now.

compressor stall 16th Oct 2021 22:34


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11127679)
I think the more-likely explanation is that many Melbournians were well and truly 'over it' a long time ago and there was widespread non-compliance with the 'tight restrictions'. But I have no hard evidence to support that.

Plenty of mk 1 eyeball evidence, as well as the amount of traffic on the roads and volumes of people out and about. Has been like that for last 2 months. Taxi drivers reporting traffic much much busier than last year's lockdown, at the same time of year roughly.

Icarus2001 16th Oct 2021 22:40


As for those busting a gut to get to Bali, have you considered what you're going to do for insurance?
International travel insurance is readily available. Have a look.

SHVC 16th Oct 2021 23:03

So Bali is opening to international country’s, which are questionable. Has Australia pi$$ed off Indonesia? They won’t let Aussies in now.

Koizi 16th Oct 2021 23:36


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11127692)
They won’t let Aussies in now.

Perhaps it's more a case of: we won't open to them yet, so why put us on the list.
5 days of quarantine isn't all that appealing anyway.

Whereas if you look at Fiji, they know Australia is planning to start flying there and as such we are on their list. No quarantine required (in either direction).

Ladloy 16th Oct 2021 23:48


Originally Posted by Koizi (Post 11127652)
To move away from the WA bickering, I was wondering about this thought I had comparing the covid case load between SYD and MEL.

Sydney of course is a few weeks ahead of Mel in vax rate, but the case load differences still don't seem to align.

I'm wondering whether the relaxing of restrictions (making gatherings in outdoor settings more available quickly) actually has helped to stop the spread.
I cant help but wonder if the overly tight restrictions in Melbourne are actually pushing the population to meet in the very place they don't want us to - our homes.
Perhaps if even now, we opened outdoor dining etc, residents wouldn't not be forced to have their gatherings behind closed doors in their homes, which is where all our spread it coming from.

Maybe a big part of Sydney's success so far is consciously nudging the population into the great outdoors - or at least the world beyond their cosy homes.

Right now Sydney case numbers are low because testing is so low. 69k tests yesterday, it was 150k a day a week or so ago. Give it a few weeks and the case rate will shoot up considerably. Hopefully hospital rates stay low.

hoss58 16th Oct 2021 23:49


Originally Posted by Thirsty (Post 11127399)
I hear Poland is accepting refugees from Australia...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhUB0zSohcw

I only watched about the first 2 minutes of this clip but I am really getting pi$$ed of with other countries telling us how badly OZ has stuffed up our management of covid.

There isn't a country in the world that has nailed covid management 100%

A quick look at some stats show:

Poland total cases circa 2.9 mil deaths circa 76000 deaths per million of population 2014

Australia cira 140,000 /1516/ 59 respectively.

Do Poland or any other country for that matter really have the moral high ground to be telling OZ whats what in terms of covid management.

I realize there are many other factors to consider for example mental health issues and financial stress.

In terms of VIC and NSW there have been some monumental blunders but I doubt Poland haven't made their fair share.

Cheers Hoss58



WingNut60 16th Oct 2021 23:59


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11127686)
International travel insurance is readily available. Have a look.

Can you perhaps point one out that offers Medivac to Oz in the case you come down with Covid because that's what you'll need for Bali.

Not that they were ever much better but there are now so many ifs, buts and exceptions in the policies that the only foreseeable use for most is if you develop diarrhea.


43Inches 17th Oct 2021 00:04

Yes it's poor form to say we are restricting 'freedoms' when you sacrificed 76,000 of your elderly and vulnerable for yours. As the quote goes, "Responsibility is the price of Freedom". In a civilised society you have the Freedom to do the right thing, not the Freedom to do anything.


International travel insurance is readily available. Have a look.
I suggest you read the fine print of what's covered in each insurance, Covid ain't new and insurance companies are not suckers, unless it's in reference to them sucking money from your wallet that is.


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