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Angle of Attack 29th Jul 2021 03:20

I saw a good article the other day were an epidemiologist likened the Vaccine hesitancy, snobbery against AZ as,

”It’s like a Captain has announced the plane is going to crash into the water, and some of the passengers are arguing over what brand of life jacket they will fit”

I thought it was a good analogy anyway…..

SOPS 29th Jul 2021 03:25

And what were we saying about protesters and Covid Tests……..???????


https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...2c65e28e223cf0

Lookleft 29th Jul 2021 03:39

Then let him languish in solitary so that he can exercise his "freedoms". They don't want to follow government directions during a health crisis yet will appeal their rights to another pillar of democracy. Breaking the law has consequences.

MickG0105 29th Jul 2021 03:47


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11086512)
I've not used the phrase "orders of magnitude higher".

No, you haven't. Others here have.


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11086512)
Leave the value judgment as to what to do or not to do about that to others.

That is exactly what I have advocated previously.


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11077691)

Originally Posted by aviation_enthus (Post 11077210)
It’s never as simple as the personal liberty VS lockdowns argument is put (by most people).


It's probably more correctly a personal liberty versus public health argument in that the lockdowns are being used to pursue public health outcomes. Thus it boils down to the discussion/debate that first started a few millennia ago when people first started organising themselves into societal groups - how you reconcile the trade-off between the individual and the group.

Unsurprisingly, some people are firm advocates for individual rights first, while others believe that the welfare of the group is more important. To tap Aurelius, it's the bee and the hive discussion. At the end of the day it comes down to personal values. And frankly who is anyone on this forum to tell anyone else that their values are wrong?

I think that it is fair to say that what some people see as an unreasonable imposition on civil liberties others see as a reasonable public health measure. Those pesky values again. You do you.

. Added bolding to original.

Lead Balloon 29th Jul 2021 04:02

Excellent!

PoppaJo 29th Jul 2021 04:37

Melbourne did well protecting its regions and the rest of the country in the back half of last year, barely one single leak.

I am concerned as she clearly is trying to save face by not adhering Dans advice by keeping metro/regional apart, and the rest of us next month around the nation or soon will suffer the consequences of that. Not to mention the good folks of regional NSW.

Her treasurer would be better knifing her now rather than waiting till next year, and get these decisions done. Saving face now avoided.




Foxxster 29th Jul 2021 04:52


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11086525)
Melbourne did well protecting its regions and the rest of the country in the back half of last year, barely one single leak.

I am concerned as she clearly is trying to save face by not adhering Dans advice by keeping metro/regional apart, and the rest of us next month around the nation or soon will suffer the consequences of that. Not to mention the good folks of regional NSW.

Her treasurer would be better knifing her now rather than waiting till next year, and get these decisions done. Saving face now avoided.


oh I am glad others have noticed Dominic not so subtly positioning himself in the background. He made sure it was leaked he was against the extended lockdown though back in early July which he thought was a popular stance to take then but maybe not so much now given how things have played out.

but yes, it’s a matter of when not if he becomes leader of the nsw libs. I think Gladys may move aside early next year once, hopefully the worst of this shitstorm is behind us. You can bet though that every stumble she makes is being clapped by some. Not just on the other side of the political fence.

meanwhile at the Olympics, the ENTIRE Australian track and field squad has been put into isolation due to a member of another country’s team who was training nearby testing positive.

TimmyTee 29th Jul 2021 04:57


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11086491)
I wonder how many of those emanated from last weekends rally?
The timing is about right.

No chance. Day 13 tests after contact appear to be a common positive test result point, combined with the fact that the event being only 5 days ago - and NSW tests results running way behind a day after testing, aaand NSW test result cutoff being 8pm yesterday, we are still to see any impact the nuffs have had on Sydney’s outbreak.

SOPS 29th Jul 2021 05:04

Every time the West has had a lock down, Perth has been shut off from the regions. During one lock, there were even borders within regions to help ensure no spread. I don’t know what Gladys is trying to do, but it’s not working.

Foxxster 29th Jul 2021 05:09


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11086530)
Every time the West has had a lock down, Perth has been shut off from the regions. During one lock, there were even borders within regions to help ensure no spread. I don’t know what Gladys is trying to do, but it’s not working.

probably trying not to appear racialist. We must be culturally sensitive you know. Language barriers and they are much more family focused. Nothing to do with blatantly sticking their middle fingers up…

oh, for the woke and snowflakes, some.. but it only takes a few, or a few hundred or thousand who are just like that. 50 going to one house after a death. 46 positive. For example.

SOPS 29th Jul 2021 06:19


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11085690)
The Army isn’t getting involved.

It’s not The Day of The Triffids…

NSW Police have just asked the Feds to bring in the Army. Perhaps it is the Day of the Triffids.

Foxxster 29th Jul 2021 06:21


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11086544)
NSW Police have just asked the Feds to bring in the Army. Perhaps it is the Day of the Triffids.

good band,

Xeptu 29th Jul 2021 06:37

Some of the States use the Defence Force all the time when there's a lockdown. It's not Marshal Law though, they are not armed. When they do quarantine compliance checks (knock on your door) instead of two police officers, it's one and one. It works, you get a lot more boots on the ground.

Scooter Rassmussin 29th Jul 2021 06:57

I hope their armed , most of the residents in those areas are .

Xeptu 29th Jul 2021 07:05

The police officer is, oddly enough, people seem to be less threatened by the presence of a soldier than a police officer,

Chronic Snoozer 29th Jul 2021 07:16


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11086564)
The police officer is, oddly enough, people seem to be less threatened by the presence of a soldier than a police officer,

Unless he's SAS........:p

Lead Balloon 29th Jul 2021 07:49

Oh dear.

Just heard some expert on the radio talking about some analysis that shows that even with 80% of Australia's population vaccinated, the number of cases arising from the unvaccinated would still overwhelm ICU capacity, which is around 7,500 beds at full 'surge capacity'. (Mick: Please track down the source and quote the facts and conclusions.)

So, it seems Australia needs to increase the number of ICU beds, not by orders of magnitude but a sh*t tonne extra wouldn't go astray.

But wait, we don't have the capacity to train enough doctors and nurses to run the extra ICUs.

Solution: The solution for all economic seasons. Immigration! We'll import the extra doctors and nurses. Too easy! And that'll also keep the demand on housing and increase house prices. Sweet!

But wait, we've shut the borders.

Solution: We'll bring all the extra doctors and nurses in (without their families of course) as a matter of priority (but only temporarily of course) and put them into super-secure, leak-proof quarantine facilities for a few weeks.

Oh dear.

ChrisJ800 29th Jul 2021 07:56

Sorry but if its their choice to remain unvaccinated for no vailid medical reason then they should not take an ICU bed in front of someone who has been vaccinated or is young and not yet elligible for a vax or is unable to get a vax for valid non religious reasons.

Lead Balloon 29th Jul 2021 08:17

Yep. When the ambulance screeches to a halt at the door of the emergency department of the hospital, they'll add "have you chosen not to be vaccinated for Covid 19" to the existing list of questions asked in deciding whether to provide or refuse treatment to someone in a medical crisis.

Remind me of the existing list of questions asked by a hospital in deciding whether to admit or refuse someone who can't breathe to the emergency department.

Capn Rex Havoc 29th Jul 2021 08:32

Double vaccination in Israel - the most vaccinated country in the world - Efficacy against Delta only 42%..............


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