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Chris2303 5th May 2021 09:07


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11038989)
Yes, ONE CASE, let’s all panic now and kill every small business selling coffees and meals...

how about being adult about it and hope that they can find the origin.

This is why Kiwis didn't want the border open

cloudsurfng 5th May 2021 09:48

It’s in the community everywhere. Always has been.

people just can’t be [email protected]&ed getting tested anymore, complacency and just generally being completely over it.


Troo believer 5th May 2021 21:45


Originally Posted by Chris2303 (Post 11039043)
how about being adult about it and hope that they can find the origin.

This is why Kiwis didn't want the border open

You shouldn’t throw stones when you live in a glass house. Double standards New Zealand style.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...7EPZHIpN66gxfA

The Kiwi government doesn’t believe it necessary to quarantine its own crew upon return from an international flight outside the bubble. Are the Tongans or Cook Islanders happy with the gaping hole in the New Zealand quarantine wall? This matter now has the attention of both state and federal governments in Australia. This could easily bring the whole eradication policy tumbling down. It will only take one Kiwi crew member to import the virus and the inadequacy of the current policy will be revealed. What if an infectious aircrew member lives with an essential worker? Nurse or Doctor? Aged care worker? Another pilot or F/A that is flying the bubble? This would be all well and good if the general population is vaccinated but it isn’t. Fingers crossed🤞, you’re going to need it.

Agent_86 5th May 2021 23:43


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11038911)
A local case just identified in Sydney, unknown source at this stage - not good.

McGowan is already looking at closing the WA Border to NSW subject to 'Medical Advice' :rolleyes:

DirectAnywhere 6th May 2021 00:28


Originally Posted by Agent_86 (Post 11039445)
McGowan is already looking at closing the WA Border to NSW subject to 'Medical Advice' :rolleyes:

Of course he is. It’s the perfect opportunity to reframe COVID as an external threat, caused by those filthy others on the eastern side of the border. It will also suit to divert attention from WAs own failures in the last few weeks and bring back some of the glow of His Almighty Luminous Radiance of WA, when some may have perhaps recently started to question his self avowed brilliance.

dr dre 6th May 2021 00:49

This was just released this morning:


Australians hoping international travel will return to normal next year have been dealt a blow, as the Federal Government warns borders are unlikely to reopen until the end of 2022 at least.

Finance Minister Simon Birmingham said despite the rollout of the vaccine, global outbreaks and new mutant strains, such as those in India, left the world facing as much uncertainty as ever.

He said this meant Australia’s international borders– which have largely locked Australians in since March 2020 – would likely remain shut well into next year.

“We recognise that if Australians want to be kept safe and secure … and given uncertainties that exist not just in the speed of the vaccine rollout but also the extent of its effectiveness to different variants of COVID, the duration of its longevity and effectiveness, these are all considerations that mean we won’t be seeing borders flung open at the start of next year with great ease,”
Finance Minister Simon Birmingham says no overseas travel until later in 2022

jrfsp 6th May 2021 01:40


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11039465)

Im not surprised....the UK has already ordered boosters for the new variants for Sept this year....and yet here the majority of the population will still be unvaccinated by then

Dannyboy39 6th May 2021 05:34

I say again, are Aussies really putting up with this?

A border closure until 1 Jan 2023 at least. Wow.. it baffles belief. Meanwhile the rest of the world will return to some semblance of normality.

SOPS 6th May 2021 05:54


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11039516)
I say again, are Aussies really putting up with this?

A border closure until 1 Jan 2023 at least. Wow.. it baffles belief. Meanwhile the rest of the world will return to some semblance of normality.

Im going to say.. let’s wait and see how well the UK experiment with international travel goes...

Chris2303 6th May 2021 06:06

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/trave...dney-suspended

SYD - NZ quarantine free flights suspended

Dannyboy39 6th May 2021 06:11


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11039526)
Im going to say.. let’s wait and see how well the UK experiment with international travel goes...

Considering over 50m vaccines have now been given out and everyone must be tested at least 3 times for every overseas trip, probably better than last year. And to low risk destinations only are quarantine free.

Why is the same response always returned whenever the Australian approach is questioned... “but but but UK...” And I’m definitely no fan of Boris.

Believe it or not, if borders are not reopened, pilots do not have jobs. Do you seriously think airlines should be continuing to pay your wages with no one in the back?

Tucknroll 6th May 2021 11:34


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11039535)
Considering over 50m vaccines have now been given out and everyone must be tested at least 3 times for every overseas trip, probably better than last year. And to low risk destinations only are quarantine free.

Why is the same response always returned whenever the Australian approach is questioned... “but but but UK...” And I’m definitely no fan of Boris.

Believe it or not, if borders are not reopened, pilots do not have jobs. Do you seriously think airlines should be continuing to pay your wages with no one in the back?

Um, no one is paying my salary. I’m currently SU. The U stands for unpaid.

Oriana 6th May 2021 11:36

And to think, at the beginning of all of this, restrictions were to 'flatten the curve'.

Ladloy 6th May 2021 12:57


Originally Posted by Oriana (Post 11039704)
And to think, at the beginning of all of this, restrictions were to 'flatten the curve'.

Clearly it doesn't work.

minigundiplomat 6th May 2021 21:01


I say again, are Aussies really putting up with this?

A border closure until 1 Jan 2023 at least. Wow.. it baffles belief. Meanwhile the rest of the world will return to some semblance of normality.
Yes, and Dr Dre will be along soon to give you the chicken little story on COVID shortly. However, Australia has been largely unaffected by COVID in the way that the rest of the world has, and so flattening the curve has drifted into eradication and now cities are locked down for a single case. Last month we were wearing masks in Cairns and Mount Isa for cases in Brisbane (look at your atlas).

However, the main reason for borders remaining closed so long is the rather lethargic vaccine roll out which seems to consist of jabbing a few arms and knocking off for a beer each day, mixed with anyone in Australia who walked past someone who had spoken to someone that had been given the AZ jab having blood clots.

blubak 6th May 2021 21:39


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11039516)
I say again, are Aussies really putting up with this?

A border closure until 1 Jan 2023 at least. Wow.. it baffles belief. Meanwhile the rest of the world will return to some semblance of normality.

India is normal i take it?

Ladloy 6th May 2021 23:16

The reality is that the vaccination rollout is the weakest link in getting international travel back up and ruining. It has been a national embarrassment to say the least. Blood clots or not, the government should have had more options under their belt. The interesting thing is that Pfizer approached the government in July last year to secure some supply, it took them until October to make a decision. By that point we were at the back of the global queue. Now we have over 50s more than eligible for the jab and the vaccination centres are practically empty. I'm mid 30s and I'm happy to get AZ, hurry up and end all of this.

dr dre 6th May 2021 23:53

The delay in the vaccine rollout is going to cost 10s of billions of $$ to the industry.

Insights Report: Counting the cost of Australia’s delayed vaccine roll-out Part Two: International border closures

And even then I think the uptake rates since those numbers have published have dropped off, we’re even below France blowing out the time even further.

It’s obvious media scaremongering about AZ and lack of incentive to get vaccinated locally is hampering the rollout. With the government unwilling to pull out all stops to get more alternate vaccines different incentives to encourage people to get vaccinated will have to be considered. Is it time to make a Covid vaccination mandatory for certain things? Not just travel without quarantine, to enter certain venues, to work certain jobs? With the rest of the world about to open unfettered travel for the vaccinated a thing Australian’s attitude may change quick. Sure it’ll piss off the “No Mandatory Vaccination” crowd, but they’re nutters and no one should care what they think:

EU plans summer opening for vaccinated tourists

Tucknroll 6th May 2021 23:54


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11040060)
The reality is that the vaccination rollout is the weakest link in getting international travel back up and ruining. It has been a national embarrassment to say the least. Blood clots or not, the government should have had more options under their belt. The interesting thing is that Pfizer approached the government in July last year to secure some supply, it took them until October to make a decision. By that point we were at the back of the global queue. Now we have over 50s more than eligible for the jab and the vaccination centres are practically empty. I'm mid 30s and I'm happy to get AZ, hurry up and end all of this.

we should be the back of the global queue, we don’t have a Covid problem here. Send the vaccines where they are needed first, like we did with PNG.

ScepticalOptomist 7th May 2021 00:07


Originally Posted by Tucknroll (Post 11040068)
we should be the back of the global queue, we don’t have a Covid problem here. Send the vaccines where they are needed first, like we did with PNG.

Sorry, we need to be more selfish than that. We do have a COVID problem here - as in we will be left behind while the rest of the western world opens for business as usual.


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