Originally Posted by 601
(Post 11049153)
Well I and all my friends have been able to go about our daily business and getting on with their lives since August last year."
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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
(Post 11049338)
That my friend is a ban. Jail time for citizens was also a threat NO OTHER country made against its own citizens.
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What most of us on this forum have been saying for months is get vaccinated as soon as you can or face the consequences. When, not if, the virus breaks out once again you’d better be vaccinated. Apparently since the 4 cases have been found in Melbourne, people are booking in large numbers to get vaccinated. For those that think fortress Australia is the way to manage our way out of this. Ask yourselves how long are you prepared to wait? How long before we can enjoy some semblance of normality. How long will you have to wait or are prepared to wait to once again get in the flight deck and do what you aspired to do from day one? Ostriches are flightless birds. Don’t become one too.
I was talking with a crew that just returned from LAX last week. Tom Bradley terminal was packed, just like it was pre COVID. Masks on, people travelling, except of cause to Australia. Four Corners tonight just articulated this perfectly. |
Originally Posted by Troo believer
(Post 11050352)
What most of us on this forum have been saying for months is get vaccinated as soon as you can or face the consequences. When, not if, the virus breaks out once again you’d better be vaccinated. Apparently since the 4 cases have been found in Melbourne, people are booking in large numbers to get vaccinated. For those that think fortress Australia is the way to manage our way out of this. Ask yourselves how long are you prepared to wait? How long before we can enjoy some semblance of normality. How long will you have to wait or are prepared to wait to once again get in the flight deck and do what you aspired to do from day one? Ostriches are flightless birds. Don’t become one too.
I was talking with a crew that just returned from LAX last week. Tom Bradley terminal was packed, just like it was pre COVID. Masks on, people travelling, except of cause to Australia. Four Corners tonight just articulated this perfectly. https://youtu.be/22qHFXNI0mo The comment sections of anything online are filled with exactly this sort of thing. The general public don’t care mate!! I agree with you though. Australians need to get on with it and they should be making a bigger issue out of the fact it’s taking so bloody long!! Not even for travel reasons, look at Taiwan. Another large outbreak is simply a matter of time. We travelled to the USA recently and plan on heading to Europe this (northern) summer. As vaccinated travellers mind you. PS I’m not stuck in “fortress Aus”, before the rest of you worry about me bringing it back... |
I’m thinking ... here go the borders again.
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Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11050832)
I’m thinking ... here go the borders again.
The problem is, even with open borders, the restrictions on masks, large events, work meetings etc etc will put a large number of people off travelling anyway |
Too many resurgence recently in many countries and even with vaccination, people are still getting infected... Hopefully things get better soon.
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Originally Posted by flyhigh787
(Post 11050862)
Too many resurgence recently in many countries and even with vaccination, people are still getting infected... Hopefully things get better soon.
Seatbelts don’t stop car accidents, they stop you dying. |
Originally Posted by Transition Layer
(Post 11050871)
Vaccines don’t stop infection, they stop you dying.
Seatbelts don’t stop car accidents, they stop you dying. |
Originally Posted by flyhigh787
(Post 11050883)
Thats right. However the general reaction in 2020 was that the virus will go away once vaccines are out but now its a different story.
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The future of australia...rolling lockdowns, cancelled bubbles, curfews, border closures, tracking apps, quarantine, separated families, hermit state.
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Originally Posted by halfmoon
(Post 11050916)
The future of australia...rolling lockdowns, cancelled bubbles, curfews, border closures, tracking apps, quarantine, separated families, hermit state.
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles
(Post 11050935)
The future of Australia...low Covid death rate, good economy, low unemployment mostly open domestic borders and freedom of movement and responsible measures to ensure it continues. If you are really in the USA it just makes your comments even more ridiculous.
Unfortunately Halfmoon nailed it. We are in for some bad times if this goes on into mid-late 2022 or even early 2023 as some have predicted. The economy isn't as rosy as you may like to think, we have had it good for too long...And this is all assuming China doesn't get any more aggressive with their currently increasing anti-Australia rhetoric. A closed country and even a partially crippled export industry ain't gonna be pretty my friend. |
I assume everyone here is vaccinated or is going to be ASAP?
I would also query that if this virus killed twenty somethings and thirty somethings as efficiently as it kills 80 year olds, would the preservation of airline careers still be a priority for you? |
Lost Wanderer:
We are going to be in trouble if this country doesn't open up soon. Only so much money and so many jobs will be created from domestic tourism, and I can assure you that is far from what it once was right now. Australians spent upwards of $60 billion annually overseas before COVID. That money is now deployed locally, which you would know if you have tried booking a domestic holiday. |
Originally Posted by dysslexicgod
(Post 11050957)
Lost Wanderer:
I beg to differ. The economy is elastic and smart parts of it are already well advanced in rebuilding themselves to prosper in the new normal. Wishing for a return to "the old days" (AKA 2019) is pointless and a waste of your valuable time. It isn't going to happen EVER because many changes are permanent. Australians spent upwards of $60 billion annually overseas before COVID. That money is now deployed locally, which you would know if you have tried booking a domestic holiday. Join date April 2021. What skin in the game do you have? None I expect. Another troll pushing their ignorant point of view. Inbound and outbound passenger numbers from Australia have dropped from about 900,000/ month to about 40,000 per month. Since March last year there have been more people leaving than arriving by about 10,000/month. The only reason the economy is growing at the moment is due to a massive government injection. Deficit. Take it away and watch what happens. It’s a fools paradise and not sustainable. If you’re not involved in aviation go somewhere else. If indeed you are involved in aviation, what possible reason do you have for preventing international travel? We’d love to know. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...ience-ranking/ |
Originally Posted by Troo believer
(Post 11051052)
Join date April 2021. What skin in the game do you have? None I expect. Another troll pushing their ignorant point of view.
Inbound and outbound passenger numbers from Australia have dropped from about 900,000/ month to about 40,000 per month. Since March last year there have been more people leaving than arriving by about 10,000/month. The only reason the economy is growing at the moment is due to a massive government injection. Deficit. Take it away and watch what happens. It’s a fools paradise and not sustainable. If you’re not involved in aviation go somewhere else. If indeed you are involved in aviation, what possible reason do you have for preventing international travel? We’d love to know. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...ience-ranking/ It is possible for people to think beyond their own circumstances and think of the big picture. Even some pilots believe the international travel should be prevented to areas where it is not safe to do so. I'm one of them. All things considered the economy is doing OK considering it had to take on a 1 in a hundred year event. Now comes the repair so it can be ready for the next unknown unknown. Check out Taiwan's present circumstances if you want to know what happens with your course of action. |
Originally Posted by ozbiggles
(Post 11051069)
So if people don't agree with you Troo they should go somewhere else? Bad luck.
It is possible for people to think beyond their own circumstances and think of the big picture. Even some pilots believe the international travel should be prevented to areas where it is not safe to do so. I'm one of them. All things considered the economy is doing OK considering it had to take on a 1 in a hundred year event. Now comes the repair so it can be ready for the next unknown unknown. Check out Taiwan's present circumstances if you want to know what happens with your course of action. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....55aa0d8c0.jpeg I never said open the border without restrictions either but reading the rhetoric from the likes of you and others that pluck crap out of thin air in order to shock for their own gain is quite frankly piss poor. Stick to facts. Pilots are meant to be intelligent but I’m having my doubts with the few morons pushing an agenda that’s not sustainable on this thread. Lock the borders until when? When COVID is eradicated world wide? Is that your solution? |
And note the resilience score for Australia with it's current rules set?
I'll give you some time to pick up your dummy. |
Originally Posted by ozbiggles
(Post 11051069)
Check out Taiwan's present circumstances if you want to know what happens with your course of action.
- island - quarantine restrictions on arrival - democracy - reasonable health system Seems pretty similar to Australia to be honest, oh and they even have a more pathetic vaccine roll out than we do!! Never thought I’d say that, but there you go... If you really want to use Taiwan, it’s a perfect example of what could happen in Australia. An outbreak in a largely unvaccinated population.... Ring any bells??? |
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