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itsnotthatbloodyhard 1st Aug 2021 22:15


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11088282)

Last reports - Chance of getting a blood clot from AZ was 1 in 77000

Chance of Xeptu having no idea ... 1 in 1

But chance of a fatal clot from AZ is more like 1 in 1000 000.

Foxxster 1st Aug 2021 22:20


Originally Posted by aviation_enthus (Post 11088200)
Unless you have something to back your claim, all the evidence I’ve seen (including a senate inquiry answer by relevant bureaucrats) says Pfizer is delivering to the planned schedule.

Scotty from marketing can’t PR his way out of not ordering enough early on!


wrong in relation to AstraZeneca. Had we had those 3 million on time before the great big scare campaign we would be significantly ahead of where we are now. And if people remember we had a target of 4 million doses by the end of March, something that people jumped on Morrison for missing, notably the hopeless Labor party. Now you see why we missed that target.

AstraZeneca, which is producing the COVID-19 vaccine at cost for the duration of the pandemic, is facing global pressure to boost supply. It had planned to provide 180 million doses to the EU in the second quarter but will only deliver 40 million.

The British-Swedish company also told the Morrison government in January that it could only provide 1.2 million offshore doses in February and March instead of the expected 3.8 million. Only 717,000 doses – the ones from the UK – have arrived so far, leaving 3.1 million doses in the balance.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...07-p57hcl.html

43Inches 1st Aug 2021 22:37

Australia has huge amounts of AZ in reserve, that is not an issue, so much so Morrison has given away 5 million doses to the Pacific. It's also made in Melbourne now. The article is a disingenuous propaganda piece trying to defer blame from the government, from what it says only 2 million doses have been delivered yet 6+ million doses have been administered (TGA). You have to remember that ANYONE over 18 years old can get the AZ if they sign a waiver, this has been the case now for a number of months. The lack of information and scaremongering was before AZ was even available, as the issues arose during testing.

Pfizer delays for Australia is purely that the Morrison Gov put all its eggs in one basket, AZ, and then too late placed backup orders of Pf. This means Australia was way down the waiting list of nations, things have changed recently due to 'deals' being signed, which are in confidence for what reason? Micallef had a funny answer, suggesting we had also placed an overpriced order for more useless helicopters from the US to secure the deal, sadly he's probably more correct than just being funny.

Foxxster 1st Aug 2021 22:51


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11088367)
Australia has huge amounts of AZ in reserve, that is not an issue, so much so Morrison has given away 5 million doses to the Pacific. It's also made in Melbourne now. The article is a disingenuous propaganda piece trying to defer blame from the government, from what it says only 2 million doses have been delivered yet 6+ million doses have been administered (TGA). You have to remember that ANYONE over 18 years old can get the AZ if they sign a waiver, this has been the case now for a number of months. The lack of information and scaremongering was before AZ was even available, as the issues arose during testing.

the article was written in April. The blood clot issue didn’t occur until March. Other issue around efficacy were present earlier.

43Inches 1st Aug 2021 23:01


the article was written in April. The blood clot issue didn’t occur until March. Other issue around efficacy were present earlier.
Sweden suspended AZ use in March due the number of clotting events, which had been steadily occurring since start of use in December 2020, and had occurred in trials. At the same time advice from other European countries changed to restrict its use to over 65. The drama around the clotting and TTS had been going on since the drugs introduction in late 2020.

MickG0105 1st Aug 2021 23:56


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11087877)
It’s so telling when the self-proclaimed “numbers” person drifts into politics and starts using words like “utterly inane” and “nonsense” to describe matters other than statistics.

Then why put the question to me?! I think "it's so telling" that you put the question to me not once, but twice, second time suggesting that I was dodging it.

Anyone who completed Year 6 Social Studies would be familiar enough with the Australian political system to know that all this talk about the Commonwealth using nationhood power, S 96 and vertical fiscal imbalance to do an end run on the Constitution and seize a State power is just rank nonsense. It has the tenor of an eight year old enumerating the reasons why unicorns do too exist!


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11087877)
And the government doesn’t need to make a law that can be stopped by the Senate, to achieve the outcome.

We'll tender that as Exhibit A. Absolutely mind boggling that you apparently believe that.

So, how precisely does the Commonwealth acquire control of health, prevent the states from issuing public health orders, finance S 96 grants if not by legislation? Military fiat? Führerbefehle? Magic wand?


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11087877)
And a spending bill that originates in the Senate can be blocked by the government in the House.

Tender Exhibit B.

Spending bills cannot originate in the Senate. The Constitution is manifestly clear on this.


53. Powers of the Houses in respect of legislation

Proposed laws appropriating revenue or moneys, or imposing taxation, shall not originate in the Senate. ...

It's the first sentence! But yeah, what would the "numbers" guy know about politics?


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11087877)
We are living in an authoritarian state, now. If you could get your head out of the numbers for a moment, you’d see that many Australian are being told, on pain of criminal liability, that they can’t visit their families and friends and can’t travel more than a specified number of kilometres from home. There are police and ADF members on the streets enforcing those restrictions. It suits Scotty that a lot of the consequent ‘blowback’ hits the state premiers rather than him.

The Commonwealth coerces the states, financially, all the time. And the government doesn’t need to make a law that can be stopped by the Senate, to achieve the outcome. And a spending bill that originates in the Senate can be blocked by the government in the House.

The Commonwealth has enough power to take over and run the response on a nationally consistent basis. Its failure to do so is a political decision, plain and simple. It’s probably a blessing in disguise though, because we can only speculate what a clusterf*ck it would be if Scotty or what’s-his-name on the other ‘side’ stepped up.

Yes, sure, why not. I suppose that there's an alternate reality somewhere out there where the Federal government seized health powers from the states without any push back from any of the parliament, the states or the courts; managed to change funding allocations and to fund S 96 grants without having to rely on legislation; etc, etc. It is not this reality.

The problem is that no matter how many times you stamp your foot and say that unicorns are real, in this reality, they're not.


Xeptu 2nd Aug 2021 02:49


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11088282)
From the CDC Lightning is one of the leading causes of weather-related fatalities. But the odds of being struck by lightning in a given year are only around 1 in 500,000. However, some factors can put you at greater risk for being struck. Regional, seasonal, and occupational differences affect your risk of being injured by lightning.

Last reports - Chance of getting a blood clot from AZ was 1 in 77000

Chance of Xeptu having no idea ... 1 in 1

Sort of puts it into perspective doesn't it.....

None of us here are experts, certainly not me. This reads personal, is there something I should know about behind that.

Foxxster 2nd Aug 2021 03:00

What a bloody disgrace.

that idiot Queensland chief medical officer aka the quack is at it again. Asked about AstraZeneca at this mornings press conference she again doubled down on her 18 year olds should not get AstraZeneca. Asked what age it was ok for she said 60.

So we have the chook as premier, the goose as deputy premier and the quack as chief medical officer. F*ckers one and all.

industry insider 2nd Aug 2021 04:20

When I had the AZ, both times my Doc suggested I took 2x Aspirin a day for 2 days before and 2 weeks afterwards. Made me feel easier even if it didn't do anything real.

Car RAMROD 2nd Aug 2021 05:23

When did Ana get back from Tokyo? July 25th wasn’t it?

When is her 14 day quarantine over then based on that date? August 8.

When has the QLD lockdown been extended to? August 8.


hmmmmmmmmmm

Angle of Attack 2nd Aug 2021 05:30

Barnaby Joyce, just announced Pilots and Cabin crew up to 50% of the Airlines workforce will be able to now claim the $750 a week regardless
of where they live, aka they dont have to reside in Sydney or Brisbane, as long as they have lost work.

Obviously been lobbied by the Airlines as they probably now realise this Clu$ter won’t end this year, and Standowns will be required….

Pearly White 2nd Aug 2021 06:09

Useful document available here from the Commonwealth Department of Health about the relative risks of AZ.

I'm fully vaxxed with AZ and perfectly fine. But urge any of you with doubts to seek informed medical advice from your GP. Not from a pilot forum, Facebook, Murdoch press or SkyNews.

turbantime 2nd Aug 2021 06:13


Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 11088429)
Barnaby Joyce, just announced Pilots and Cabin crew up to 50% of the Airlines workforce will be able to now claim the $750 a week regardless
of where they live, aka they dont have to reside in Sydney or Brisbane, as long as they have lost work.

Obviously been lobbied by the Airlines as they probably now realise this Clu$ter won’t end this year, and Standowns will be required….

Allows them to enact stand downs unilaterally now. Here we go again…

SOPS 2nd Aug 2021 06:42


Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 11088429)
Barnaby Joyce, just announced Pilots and Cabin crew up to 50% of the Airlines workforce will be able to now claim the $750 a week regardless
of where they live, aka they dont have to reside in Sydney or Brisbane, as long as they have lost work.

Obviously been lobbied by the Airlines as they probably now realise this Clu$ter won’t end this year, and Standowns will be required….

That does not sound good.

Muttley Crew 2nd Aug 2021 08:19


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11088412)
What a bloody disgrace.

that idiot Queensland chief medical officer aka the quack is at it again. Asked about AstraZeneca at this mornings press conference she again doubled down on her 18 year olds should not get AstraZeneca. Asked what age it was ok for she said 60.

So we have the chook as premier, the goose as deputy premier and the quack as chief medical officer. F*ckers one and all.

Sorry but my rant filter was off and this got through. What exactly is the "bloody disgrace"? Do you disagree with Dr. Young's advice? If so, on what grounds? Do you have qualifications more suitable than Dr. Young's with which to judge the situation and determine the safe age parameters for injection of the experimental AZ therapy? Are you a quack? Let's hear it.

I understood Dr. Young's advice was in keeping with the latest ATAGI advice:


Originally Posted by AP Article
"With only 42 coronavirus cases active in Queensland, AstraZeneca was not worth the risk for younger adults, she (Dr. Young) said. “No, I do not want under 40s to get AstraZeneca because they are at increased risk of getting -- it is rare -- but they’re at increased risk of getting that rare clotting syndrome,” Young said. “I don’t want an 18-year-old in Queensland dying from a clotting illness who, if they got COVID, probably wouldn’t die,” Young added."

Sounds like good advice to me. What's the real motivation for your dissatisfaction, Foxxster?


Originally Posted by AP Article
"But ATAGI advised that AstraZeneca could be administered to people under 60 “for whom Pfizer is not available.” Conditions included that benefits were likely to outweigh risks and that the decision to take AstraZeneca was informed...."

Oh.

Informed. Yes, I see the problem. You think it's a disgrace that we don't have informed consent here in Australia. I completely agree.

Capn Rex Havoc 2nd Aug 2021 08:38

Xeptu - Nothing personal, sorry if you felt that. Just trying to point out that your stats were not valid.

itsnotthatbloodyhard
[QUOTE][But chance of a fatal clot from AZ is more like 1 in 1000 000./QUOTE]

Xeptu didn't say "Fatal", and then what is the stat for a fatal lightning strike? Anyhow, it is an irrelevant stat, because if I don't go out side during a lightning storm the chance of getting fatally struck is 0. However if I choose to be injected with Astra ..............


rattman 2nd Aug 2021 09:07


Originally Posted by Car RAMROD (Post 11088426)

When has the QLD lockdown been extended to? August 8.


hmmmmmmmmmm

Might be time to put on the tin foil hat. Think she gets out on the 9th. You actually spend 15 days in quarantine as the day you arrive is day 0. It 14 complete days

Xeptu 2nd Aug 2021 09:26


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11088491)
Xeptu - Nothing personal, sorry if you felt that. Just trying to point out that your stats were not valid

It's got nothing to do with "feel" If you're going to "Name" someone and use statements like "No Idea" It's Personal.

The only time I would support that is when an opinion is clearly not supported by anyone.


DHC8 Driver 2nd Aug 2021 09:52

[QUOTE=Capn Rex Havoc;11088491]Xeptu - Nothing personal, sorry if you felt that. Just trying to point out that your stats were not valid.

itsnotthatbloodyhard

[[color=#000000]But chance of a fatal clot from AZ is more like 1 in 1000 000./QUOTE]

Xeptu didn't say "Fatal", and then what is the stat for a fatal lightning strike? Anyhow, it is an irrelevant stat, because if I don't go out side during a lightning storm the chance of getting fatally struck is 0. However if I choose to be injected with Astra ..............
You are correct. It’s your choice. Choose to be a part of the solution or choose to not get vaccinated and be more likely get infected, more likely to infect others, and almost certainly ensure that the borders stay closed longer and more pilots lose their jobs.

You’re right - it’s your choice. But if you choose to not get vaccinated please don’t complain about border closures.

mattyj 2nd Aug 2021 10:38


For those members of society (willing or reluctant) who choose to engage in civil disobedience as a means of protest, they should do so in the full knowledge that they will likely suffer consequences.

For any involved in aviation, they should be aware that those consequences may compromise their ASIC privilege.

..who needs the gestapo to take away our freedom to protest when we have our fellow citizens doing the job for them.


more likely get infected, more likely to infect others,
according to the CDC, being vaccinated improves neither of those things for you.

https://apnews.com/article/science-h...5ca012b5ef84d1


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