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Bodie1 4th Jan 2021 07:17


To Bodie I say, if you expect life to be fair, predictable and operate in a linear fashion like a TV series, then you are in for a world of hurt.
Who said anything about fair, predictable or linear? It's obvious you are on the slide into senility. You have fallen for the fear campaign, so long as 'you're alright Jack' I guess all is fine. I've said on here on multiple occasions, protect the vulnerable, protect the at risk and protect the front liners. If you are so shit scared of this virus perhaps you should exercise some personal responsibility and isolate rather than expect the 98.98% of us that won't be affected to stay home just so you can laze about in coffee shops for your latte.


Lezzeno 4th Jan 2021 07:42

Sunfish is correct

As for Covid19, the danger comes not from lethality but logistics.
According to the World Food Program covid lockdowns affecting the food supply chain will push an extra 60 to 70 million people to the brink of starvation. But hey at least they have been saved from the virus.

currawong 4th Jan 2021 11:49

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Hmmm, lets see now.

What works and what does not....

Bodie1 4th Jan 2021 13:02

So what are you trying to say?

There are about 33 deaths per million cases in Australia?

So that death rate is about .000033%

If that's the case, why are there border closures? Shouldn't we be dancing in the streets? Hugging and Kissing? Because the death rate is so insignificantly small?

Potsie Weber 4th Jan 2021 13:29

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blubak 4th Jan 2021 19:39


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10959915)
the Victorian Gov is a disgrace, get yourself sorted and hire resources.

Coronavirus Australia live news: Swamped testing sites turn away thousands

COVID-19 testing sites across Melbourne closed within an hour of opening on Sunday, swamped by thousands of Victorians requiring tests after returning from NSW and further stressed by health staff taking holiday leave.

Despite the temporary closures and lack of staff, Victorian health authorities processed more tests than their NSW colleagues on Saturday — 22,477 samples compared to 18,923 — although that remains far short of the more than 40,000 daily tests undertaken at the height of the second coronavirus wave.

By 9.30am on Sunday, the Department of Health and Human Services listed drive-through sites in Darebin, Keysborough and West Footscray as “over capacity, no further accepted”. Cars were also turned away from the Melbourne Sports and Aquatic Centre in Albert Park, which was listed as a three-hour wait, and sites in Chadstone, St Albans and Broadmeadows had waiting times of more than two hours.But Jeroen Weimar, who is co-ordinating Victoria’s COVID-19 response, defended the long waiting times for testing.

“There was a 35 per cent uplift in the total number of tests delivered in the south and southeastern suburbs yesterday compared to the day before so we are getting the numbers through,” he said. “Our frontline staff have been working phenomenally hard for that entire period and we have seen a significant number of people rightly take some well-*deserved leave as we see across the wider sector, so we have had to gear up and mobilise,” he said.

“The choice we faced before Christmas was, do you hold people over and not let them go on leave after absolutely flogging themselves for nine months (or) do you say, ‘no, you have to stand around the testing stations on the off chance’ … we took a view that we needed to have the right balance of resources.”

The DHHS has identified a number of new exposure sites, with the number of infections in the state reaching 50.

New locations on Sunday included Brighton Beach on December 29 between midday and 3pm, Angus and Cootes Jeweller at Southland Shopping Centre on December 28 between 2.30pm and 2.50pm and the Costco Moorabbin on December 30 between 4pm and 5.50pm.

Queensland Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said there would not be any border restriction on Melbourne or Victoria “at this stage”. “But we’re keeping a very, very close eye on that,” she said on Sunday, after Victoria reported three new local cases.

Another Melbourne location, Grape & Grain in Moorabbin, which had yet to appear in DHHS warnings, said it would remain closed after staff tested positive.

The DHHS plans to boost testing capacity by extending hours, recalling staff, bringing on board agency staff and opening more pop-up and drive-through sites.

The Victorian branch of the Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation posted a message on Facebook seeking “urgent support” from nurses and midwives to work in testing sites across the state on behalf of Torrens Health and the health department: “Shift lengths will vary from between six and 10 hours; travel and meal allowances are available in some circumstances.”

“I think 60,000 people made the right decision … to come back; I am confident the vast majority will follow through and say, right, I need to make sure I get tested because I don’t want to put myself at risk,” Mr Weimar said.

There were 32000+ tests in vic on sunday,in reality how many do you think they should be able to do & how many testers the govt should have on standby in case there is an outbreak?
I am not being smart but really curious as to how they should do it in your opinion.
I dont know if you agree with the small time frame given re the border closing but for the amount of people really angry at how quick it happened there are just as many slamming the govt for not closing it as soon as the sydney outbreak happened.
Im not suggesting the vic govt is perfect by any means but to me i believe they are doing a fairly good job right now however i may be just plain silly for doing so!

Ladloy 4th Jan 2021 19:55


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10960341)
So what are you trying to say?

There are about 33 deaths per million cases in Australia?

So that death rate is about .000033%

If that's the case, why are there border closures? Shouldn't we be dancing in the streets? Hugging and Kissing? Because the death rate is so insignificantly small?

He's saying border closures work and if we don't limit movement during outbreaks our death rate will follow Sweden, US and UK

Ragnor 4th Jan 2021 20:22

NSW were able to test over 50,000 a week without missing a beat. They were not expecting those numbers they were as always prepared. I still don’t understand why Vic, QLD and other states are not prepared.

blubak 4th Jan 2021 20:35


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10960595)
NSW were able to test over 50,000 a week without missing a beat. They were not expecting those numbers they were as always prepared. I still don’t understand why Vic, QLD and other states are not prepared.

50000 a week is a bit different to 32000 in 1 day.

Ragnor 4th Jan 2021 20:40

Are you that much of an idiot? They were averaging over 50,000 a day did over 60,000 in one day Xmas eve.

Ladloy 4th Jan 2021 20:48


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10960609)
Are you that much of an idiot? They were averaging over 50,000 a day did over 60,000 in one day Xmas eve.

You didn't say that, you said 50k a week.

Ragnor 4th Jan 2021 21:13

I know, but he/she could not recognise a typo was made. Guess that’s why Vic is in such a mess.

WhisprSYD 4th Jan 2021 21:20


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10960608)
50000 a week is a bit different to 32000 in 1 day.

obviously it was a mis-type on his behalf with NSW testing 60,000-70,000 a day over Xmas

blubak 4th Jan 2021 21:20


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10960621)
I know, but he/she could not recognise a typo was made. Guess that’s why Vic is in such a mess.

The average testing numbers in nsw are 22000 a DAY right now,they want it to go to 50000.
Vic in a mess,ok sounds like you know everything & have all the answers,you should be pm.

blubak 4th Jan 2021 21:25


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10960621)
I know, but he/she could not recognise a typo was made. Guess that’s why Vic is in such a mess.

Guess another 32000+ tests in vic yesterday is not a good number,even if it was 132000 it would not be enough for you.

WingNut60 4th Jan 2021 21:40


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10960625)
Guess another 32000+ tests in vic yesterday is not a good number,even if it was 132000 it would not be enough for you.

Yep. The correct number is whatever NSW does. Always.
Never mind that in the early stages of the Northern Beaches F/U the queues were just as long, if not longer, with Oz-wide coverage of nasal whining from occupants of vehicles complaining that they'd been in the queue for 5 - 7 hours with no food or access to toilet facilities.
But that is "gold standard" Covid control policy, apparently. Impeccable planning. The world's best.

Ragnor 4th Jan 2021 22:09

That is a good number credit when credit is due hopefully Sydney matches it.

I said NSW has had long lines never said they were quick, northern beaches line up were long and my hat goes off to those residents the did a brilliant job sticking it out but NSW never turned anyone away due to having to shut up shop at 21:30. They got the job done.

Let’s not forget how this outbreak in Avalon and Western Sydney started in December the giant hole in this is international arrivals.

novice110 4th Jan 2021 22:47

The more testing that goes on the better it is, yes.

Is there really much difference though between 20k and 90k out of 5 million people ?

Bodie1 5th Jan 2021 03:26


He's saying border closures work and if we don't limit movement during outbreaks our death rate will follow Sweden, US and UK
Oh my gawd.........that graph proves that lockdowns work? :} So you're using Chairman Dan or Sunfish evidence now?

It must be Sunfish evidence because only a moron would present such stupidity as evidence.

De_flieger 5th Jan 2021 04:30


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10960341)
So what are you trying to say?

There are about 33 deaths per million cases in Australia?

So that death rate is about .000033%

You shouldn’t be criticising the statistics presented by others when you get your own so egregiously wrong. There have been 909 deaths in Australia from covid-19 as of todays date, so if there were 33 per million cases as you state, that would imply Australia had approx 27.5 million cases of covid-19 - that every single person in Australia had been infected, which is clearly not the case. There have been 909 deaths and 28504 cases as of today, giving a death rate of 3.18% of confirmed infections. Entirely different to your statement, which is off by a factor of around 100,000.


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